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Posted by Dr. Bob on September 7, 2013, at 0:05:28
In reply to Re: the formula » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 6, 2013, at 6:53:04
> I think I would try st least several blocks of one week, and apply the escalating block formula very sparingly and intermittently, if at all.
Got it. Thanks for explaining the approach you'd take.
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on September 7, 2013, at 8:46:43
In reply to Re: the formula, posted by Dr. Bob on September 7, 2013, at 0:05:28
You're welcome - thanks for asking.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on August 30, 2013, at 22:12:03
The phrase which offended you includes the pronoun their which is a reference to deputies. This plural form includes the current deputies so I am entitled to have my block increased by a factor of 2 according to your formula. This leaves me entitled to 12 weeks rather the the 4 you offered. Please correct this at once.
As ever
Homely" starts at 2 and may be decreased by 1 if provoked, increased by 1 if uncivil toward a particular individual or group, particularly uncivil, or uncivil in multiple posts at same time, and increased by 2 if uncivil toward a deputy or deputies." The Word of B_b
> > their willingness to carry out your nastiness was despicable
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Thanks,
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> Bob
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> PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
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> duration of previous block = 1 week
> period of time since previous block = 2 weeks
> severity = 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) + 1 (uncivil in multiple posts at same time) = 4
> block length = 3.84 rounded = 4 weeks
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:58:04
In reply to Re: Bob, civil to mention Phillipa sounds paranoid? » HomelyCygnet, posted by 10derheart on August 29, 2013, at 20:22:21
You never even call me by my name!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm glad you appeciate my kindness. I have always been tenderhearted. I am sorry my remarks were not experienced by you as supportive.
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> oh, thank you, dahling, you are always so very, very kind and complimentary. At least some things are consistent.
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Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 12:33:33
In reply to I deserve more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
I was not entitled to 12 weeks under your formula.
BUT now I AM entitled to 10 weeks for posting something untrue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIFE IS GOOD
> The phrase which offended you includes the pronoun their which is a reference to deputies. This plural form includes the current deputies so I am entitled to have my block increased by a factor of 2 according to your formula. This leaves me entitled to 12 weeks rather the the 4 you offered. Please correct this at once.
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> As ever
> Homely
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> " starts at 2 and may be decreased by 1 if provoked, increased by 1 if uncivil toward a particular individual or group, particularly uncivil, or uncivil in multiple posts at same time, and increased by 2 if uncivil toward a deputy or deputies." The Word of B_b
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> > > their willingness to carry out your nastiness was despicable
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> > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> > More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> > Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> > Thanks,
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> > Bob
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> > PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> > takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
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> > duration of previous block = 1 week
> > period of time since previous block = 2 weeks
> > severity = 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) + 1 (uncivil in multiple posts at same time) = 4
> > block length = 3.84 rounded = 4 weeks
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Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on August 30, 2013, at 22:12:03
I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "illness". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this narcissistic personality disorder?
Please compute my ban correctly this time.
Bye :)
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:09:42
In reply to Do you have any hobbies besides Babble? » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
And I say again I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "illness". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this narcissistic personality disorder?
Please compute my ban correctly this time including bonus for multiple posts.
Bye :)
Posted by 10derheart on October 5, 2013, at 13:08:03
In reply to You don't have to call me Dahling, Dahling » 10derheart, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:58:04
Ducky? Didn't know we were so intimate we were into noticing such things. That could be creepy... ;-)
Enjoy your block.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2013, at 14:15:45
In reply to I deserve more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
> The Word of B_b
I missed that before, lol.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
In reply to Do you have any hobbies besides Babble? » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
> the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
Bob
Posted by Homelycygnet on October 6, 2013, at 17:38:44
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
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> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
>I feel that "overly frequent" pcbs and "excessive" blocking have been harmful to Babble but you couldn't have done it without the deputies. I am sure they appreciate your thanks.
Posted by Homelycygnet on October 6, 2013, at 17:46:05
In reply to Re: You don't have to call me Dahling, Dahling » HomelyCygnet, posted by 10derheart on October 5, 2013, at 13:08:03
> Ducky? Didn't know we were so intimate we were into noticing such things. That could be creepy... ;-)
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>If only dahling if only.........Service was eversomuch better in the olden days when you were serving under Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 6, 2013, at 23:46:02
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
I feel ambivalent.
On the one hand, I liked and respected all of them a great deal *as posters*.
I was less keen on the whole 'deputy' thing... Though I do think they tended to provide lesser sanctions than you did.
Posted by SLS on October 7, 2013, at 7:42:54
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
I interpreted the phrase, "the willingness" as being a noun referring to a character trait of the deputies. I would feel hurt and put down if someone were to state that a character trait of mine was despicable. Perhaps the deputies referred to experienced no such hurt. I wouldn't know.
- Scott
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 7, 2013, at 10:19:24
In reply to Re: Do you have any hobbies besides Babble?, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:09:42
I believed I have defamed you in the eyes of the law. Please remove my post at once.
Your friend
Homely> And I say again I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "(retracted". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this (retracted)?
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> Please compute my ban correctly this time including bonus for multiple posts.
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> Bye :)
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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 8, 2013, at 15:22:53
In reply to present and former deputies - their willingness » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on October 7, 2013, at 7:42:54
> I would feel hurt and put down if someone were to state that a character trait of mine was despicable.
Would you be willing to share your own view of the willingness of my present and former deputies to be my deputies?
Bob
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 9, 2013, at 8:45:36
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 8, 2013, at 15:22:53
Posted by Dinah on October 9, 2013, at 11:38:27
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
Of course we feel hurt, Dr. Bob. You know that the consistency of this poster has been a large part of the decision of more than one deputy to avoid Babble entirely.
It's the incessant nature of it. Any one thing may not be so bad. I should exercise my free will not to open posts I know will have a fairly decent chance of hurting me. I should know that after many years of crying over posts I've opened. Yet oddly I value this poster's contributions, as a whole, enough to not wish to do this. So I too begin to avoid Babble. If it's kept to Admin, I can just avoid Admin.
Which is why I didn't overmuch complain. If I open a Cygnet's posts on Admin, I deserve whatever pain I feel.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 10, 2013, at 1:04:49
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
I wouldn't say there's been an outpouring of appreciation from posters. I hope that doesn't hurt them further. I feel disappointed.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 10, 2013, at 1:10:38
In reply to Do you have any hobbies besides Babble? » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
> the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
duration of previous block = 4 weeks
period of time since previous block = 2 weeks
severity = 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) = 3
block length = 11.42 rounded = 11 weeks
Posted by jane d on October 10, 2013, at 22:45:55
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 10, 2013, at 1:04:49
> > I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
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> I wouldn't say there's been an outpouring of appreciation from posters. I hope that doesn't hurt them further. I feel disappointed.
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> Bob
I didn't see this thread before or I would have responded. I am very grateful to the deputies for what they did. If I were able to put in that much hard work, reply so consistently, articulately and usually kindly I would have considered trying to be a deputy myself. As it is, I am glad that they were here. And very much in awe of them.Jane
Posted by 10derheart on October 11, 2013, at 2:15:00
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by jane d on October 10, 2013, at 22:45:55
Thank you, jane. It was difficult sometimes. But hardly all bad. I was/am honored to have worked with the other deputies because they are good people.
But please don't be in awe. Not of me, anyway :-)
Posted by SLS on October 11, 2013, at 6:14:42
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by jane d on October 10, 2013, at 22:45:55
Hi Jane
> I am very grateful to the deputies for what they did. If I were able to put in that much hard work, reply so consistently, articulately and usually kindly I would have considered trying to be a deputy myself. As it is, I am glad that they were here. And very much in awe of them.
Me, too. I just wish that I had thought to acknowledge them as you have here.
- Scott
Posted by Twinleaf on October 11, 2013, at 17:55:48
In reply to Re: blocked for 11 weeks » HomelyCygnet, posted by Dr. Bob on October 10, 2013, at 1:10:38
I am very disappointed and discouraged to see the same old block formula. I think one of the reasons we can't offer more support for the former deputies is that they were basically forced to implement this extremely unpopular and unconstructive policy.
Posted by 10derheart on October 11, 2013, at 20:43:36
In reply to Re: blocked for 11 weeks Dr.Bob, posted by Twinleaf on October 11, 2013, at 17:55:48
>>I think one of the reasons we can't offer more support for the former deputies is that they were basically forced to implement this extremely unpopular and unconstructive policy.
First, that's not so. We were never forced to do anything, unless you count accepting Dr. Bob was in charge and was/is who he was/is...and even then we could abstain from certain boards, dealing with some posters, etc., or resign. I didn't mind the formula, for the most part, because I knew the spirit behind it was to try to respond to posters' complaints. Posters had been saying - repeatedly - that all of admin was arbitrary and not objective and so the formula was Dr. Bob's logical effort to eliminate the possibility (or the appearance) of that.
But at times when I saw it would result in a block that didn't sit well with me,given all the circumstances, I gave shorter lengths. No forcing.
If Dr. Bob didn't like it, he could lengthen it. He could always do anything he wanted with any block or anything else we did. His boards.Not sure I follow your thought here...what does offering support have to do with various blocking policies? I thought the support was a counterpoint to the idea we were carrying out nastiness and despicable for doing that. Perhaps you agree with that characterization, as is your right.
I guess janed sees other aspects to support. This must be since I doubt she offers her kind words due to what we did or did not do about blocks. Although, I could be wrong, as posters have expressed gratitude more than once for blocks they felt helped the community and were appropriate. There was **so** much more to being a deputy than blocking people. I doubt it would comprise even 20% of the time spent being a deputy here.
Anyway...you can't win with *any* particular blocking policy, IMO. People will dislike them all for different reasons.
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