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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2011, at 21:30:01
In reply to Lou's reply-huzphulinhu, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2011, at 20:56:33
> > > > Sorry. I forgot to post the link.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > As can be seen, the statement by Mr. Hsiung at the end of what is in the link states that the purpose of the forum is for support and if something is not supportive they can take it elseware, (not here). And also the fact that it is in the bible does not make it supportive.
> > > That is the crux of this matter in question. I am requesting for Mr. Hsiung to post in the thread in question as to if he considers the statement in question that purports that there is a set of people that have eternal life and forgivness by the {only way}. That way is described as (redacted by respondent)Jesus. That precludes all others since the poster uses the word,{only}.
> > > It has been well-established in the rules here that statements that could lead people to think that there is what is referred to as {the only way}, to not be supportive. This is why I am asking members here to ppst from their perspective in the thread in question.
> > > Here is a post that exemplifies this rule here.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this post:
> > > A. Go to the search box at the bottom of the page here
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [admin, 6531]
> >
> > Scott,
> > The crux of this matter is as to if Mr. Hsiung considers the statement in question supportive or not. And if he considers it to be not supportive, then what is his rationale for allowing the statement to be {OK}? And thn what does {OK} mean here?
> > You see, it has been well-established that Jews and others that do not acceopt the claim in queastion are not in the set of people that the statement in question identifiies.
> > Then my concern is also as to why are not the members here, in mass, protesting the allowing of the statement in question by Mr. Hsiung by posting in the thread in question.
> > Here is another link that brings out the crux of this situation. And is it in question to some here as to if the statement in question is supportive or not?
> > Lou
> > To see this post:
> > A. Go to the search box at the bottom of the page
> > B. Type in:
> > [faith, 453471]
>
> Scott,
> Here is a post that uses derogatory and dehumanizing imagery toward the Jews that I pointed out to Mr. Hsiung.
> Now Mr. Hsiung asked the poster to rephrase or revise the post. But the statements came from a link to a site so how could anyone rephrase or revise what is in someone else's statement? I guess one could revise by deleting the link but is that offerd to others here to delete what they posted in a link? But how could a poster delete their own post here? There is much more to this...
> You see, there was another post by Mr. Hsiung before that post to not post a link to a site that has antisemitic content.
> Lou
> To see this post:
> A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page
> B. Type in:
> [Dec 13 2004, admin, 428781]Scott,
I would like to focus on the post in the above that you get when you type in [Dec 13 2004, admin, 428781].
There are other posts in the first group that could also come into this discussion, but I would like to focus on the one by itself now.
You see, there was discussion as to what happened to the post by th eposter, for if you click on the link by that poster, the link now is not there. There were other happenings with that link before wht you could see now is seen. The question that I have is who did whatever to the the link. A tech expert told me that there are two or more possibilities. To see what I found out, I could email that to you at your request.
But my concern is as to if the membership here could post in the thread in question where I request for Mr. Hsiung to post as to if he considers the statement in question supportive or not that precludes Jews and others that do not (redacted by respondent)have forgivness and eternal life. And is there a connection to these two post that you see that could be considerd {analogous}?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2011, at 21:35:51
In reply to Lou's reply-focus, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2011, at 21:30:01
Lou is the post from the year 2004? That would feel like living in the past. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2011, at 22:03:26
In reply to Re: Faith board, posted by hyperfocus on November 8, 2011, at 18:59:20
> As long as I have been reading the Faith board I have never seen any conflict between posters regarding the tenets or doctrines of any religion. I'm not saying that it has never happened before but to me it seems that 99% of the posters on the Faith board try to follow the charter of the board as best they can. If they go outside these guidelines, as will happen, then the other posters accept that it's just a human mistake, and assume the poster does not harbor any evil intent that proves them culpable to terrible deeds spanning hundreds of years. For thousands of years every religion and religious text known to man has been co-opted to justify the political and military and economic aims of evil men. Some might argue this was the original reason religion was created. I don't think though any one religion is unique to being misused like this but it seems that a minority of posters there do.
>
> The reason the Faith board generates such a disproportionate volume of admin activity while actual posting drops off to nothing, is that most threads started by posters there devolve into the same issue, the way this thread has. If you want to understand the sole issue facing the Faith board then all you need to do is examine the form and content of this thread. It seems to me that the majority of new posters on the Faith board start one thread and then never return. It would be interesting to see if this theory is supported by usage statistics. Logically though most people feel hurt and upset and angry about accusations of committing or facilitating bigotry, hate crimes, murder, genocide, Nazi collaboration, indoctrination, dehumanization, mind control, etc., directed towards them and their religion, and would tend not to return to any forum where posters of one faith are routinely accused of these things.
>
> If anybody believes the Faith board should be shut down then there's nothing I can do. I'm not able to offer my time or any other thing to save it. It's just a shame that it would come to this. I have learnt many things from all the posters on the Faith board and have changed my views and corrected several erroneous assumptions I had. But on any forum all posters have to follow simple standards of community for it to survive. This has nothing to do with monotheist or polytheist or Eastern or Western religious doctrine. Starting new threads for issues that concern you and not repeatedly interjecting your issues into threads started by others would be one. Preserving the subject line and not filling it with redundant and cryptic information understandable only by you would be a 2nd. Demanding answers to lengthy lists of questions while refusing to answer all and any yourself would be a 3rd. On a forum dedicated to religious faith in particular, being accepting and tolerant of all religions and not harboring any anger or hate towards any one religion would seem to be a minimum requirement for participating. Being open to others questioning and challenging your views would be another. Without each poster sharing these basic things the forum can be rendered useless and die.
>
> I suppose though if I lived near a community who I believed were committing the atrocities I have mentioned, I would feel some moral vindication in seeing it shutdown. In that case shutting down the Faith board would be seen by a minority of posters as a good thing. It's just unfair to the 99% of posters there looking to discuss matters of religion and faith. I do believe that 100% of posters there desire and would be enriched by these discussions, but as it stands now the situation is not favorable to anyone.
>hf,
You wrote,[...the sole issue facing the Faith board...].
Would you be willing to type in the search box at the bottom of this page and read the post and then post here as to if what is in the post goes to {the sole issue}? If you could, then I could know what the sole issue is or is not and respond accordingly
Lou
To see the post in question:
A. go to the search box at the bottom oof this page
B. Type in:
[Dec 13 2004, admin, 428781]
Posted by hyperfocus on November 17, 2011, at 23:53:35
In reply to Lou's request- » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2011, at 22:03:26
I think if the issue is look at events that transpired like 6 or 7 years before I started posting then yes that may be it. I think everybody who posts regularly feels aggrieved by what some poster wrote, or feels that Dr. Bob acted unfairly in some situation. We're all in the same boat as far as that is concerned, but it's just we have to let stuff go.
I made a post in Faith on some issues that we share an interest in and I'd really like to get your opinion:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1002966.html
Posted by hyperfocus on November 18, 2011, at 0:05:50
In reply to Lou's request-izzywil » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on November 9, 2011, at 21:03:08
>You wrote,[...the situation is not favorable to anyone...].
>Would you be willing to explain here what you are wanting to mean by that? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to >respond accordingly.I mean that if every post turns into one contentious issue then all of us, yourself included, lose the opportunity to interact and learn things from each other. You have a lot of knowledge on faith and religion and I've learned things from you I never considered. It's just focusing on the same issue repeatedly seems to limit your interaction with other posters, and it's a very small number of posters on that board. All of us need your voice to be heard on other matters.
I've made a post about some views I have on this issue and I'd be glad if you could read it and tell me your opinion: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1002966.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 19, 2011, at 9:34:11
In reply to Re: anyone » Lou Pilder, posted by hyperfocus on November 18, 2011, at 0:05:50
> >You wrote,[...the situation is not favorable to anyone...].
> >Would you be willing to explain here what you are wanting to mean by that? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to >respond accordingly.
>
> I mean that if every post turns into one contentious issue then all of us, yourself included, lose the opportunity to interact and learn things from each other. You have a lot of knowledge on faith and religion and I've learned things from you I never considered. It's just focusing on the same issue repeatedly seems to limit your interaction with other posters, and it's a very small number of posters on that board. All of us need your voice to be heard on other matters.
>
> I've made a post about some views I have on this issue and I'd be glad if you could read it and tell me your opinion: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1002966.htmlhf,
You wrote,[...I've learned things from you...All of us need your voice to be heard...].
There could be other issues here that could be unbeknownst to you.
I am prohibited from posting the foundation of Judaism here as reveled to me. This limits my voice while the foundation of some Christindom sects is allowed to be posted here which states that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children that were murderd by antisemites between the years 1933 and 1945 can not have eternal life or forgivness because the statement that is allowed to stand here states that the only (redacted by respondent)Jesus , which Jewish children reject because they are Jews that do not accept the claim in question. As well as those Jewish children not being allowed forgivness or eternal life as the statement in question purports, could not those of other faiths and athiests and agnostics that reject the claim in question also be excluded as well?
Here is a way to see what Mr. Hsiung will do to me if I posted the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. If you could bring that post up and read it, I think that it could go a long way for understanding of this situation where the owner/operator of this site allows (redacted by respondent), while posting to the Jewish member (redacted by respondent), which has historical parallels that I am also prohibited by Mr. Hsiung from posting here.
Lou
To see this post:
A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page.
AB. Type in:
[Re: please be, admin, 7968]
There could be many posts that come up. This one was posted on Oct 28, 2002
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 19, 2011, at 17:35:15
In reply to Lou's reply-kauzvholo » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on November 19, 2011, at 9:34:11
> > >You wrote,[...the situation is not favorable to anyone...].
> > >Would you be willing to explain here what you are wanting to mean by that? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to >respond accordingly.Give it a rest for God's sake.
Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2011, at 18:39:26
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 19, 2011, at 17:35:15
2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on November 19, 2011, at 20:10:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2011, at 18:39:26
> 2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George SantayanaNever forget...
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2011, at 20:34:50
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo, posted by SLS on November 19, 2011, at 20:10:07
Scott I've always been taught in believing in forgive and forget to move forward otherwise one is stuck in the past. If I had stayed in the past I'd be thinking of father of kids and wouldn't have gone to RN school and accomplished the things I have and I'm proud of them. I helped and cared for a lot of patients. A touch and painful job at times but so rewarding when one became well. These are my feeling nothing more or less. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 7:40:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo, posted by SLS on November 19, 2011, at 20:10:07
I don't see how recognizing the past necessarily prevents one from moving forward. I think people can get stuck by not looking at where they've been in order to know where they are going. I think that understanding the past can go a long way toward making a better future.
I guess that finding a balance is important.
Whatever works.
No biggie...
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2011, at 10:50:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo » SLS, posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 7:40:06
I guess try to learn from mistakes and not repeat them. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 20, 2011, at 19:30:28
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo, posted by SLS on November 19, 2011, at 20:10:07
> > 2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
>
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
>
> Never forget...
>
>
Scott,
You wrote the above. Thanks, I think that's good.
Here is a way to see a video. if you could watch it, then you may want to post in the thread where Mr. Hsiung states that it is {OK} for it to be posted here. But is the statement in question supportive? My request to him is outstanding. Could you ask yourselves why? Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[The Holocaust-Never forget-Jan 27 2011]
There could be many. I would like for you to start with the one posted by 'True Football"
Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2011, at 19:45:10
In reply to Lou's reply-howllong » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 20, 2011, at 19:30:28
Could be that so long ago many are not active on babble any longer? Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on November 21, 2011, at 0:40:26
In reply to Lou's reply-howllong » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 20, 2011, at 19:30:28
> Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
> LouI know you asked this of Scott, but more than once you've referred to your perception of the members' or the community's lack of action. I can only answer for myself. I have not posted my view of whether what the statement in question is supportive or not for the following reasons:
- I am not willing to "police" the supportiveness of every post. I wasn't willing or able to review every post as a deputy, and I sure as heck am not willing to do that as just me.
- I am not comfortable with and try to avoid reinforcing, escalating, or otherwise "feeding" a behavior when I find myself wondering if it is a manifestation of an unhealthy obsession.
- I do not share your assessment of the value of giving that thread any more attention.
And finally, when I feel like I am being coerced, shamed, and/or manipulated, whether I actually am or not, I tend to dig in my heels and become obstinate vs accommodating. Not one of my better traits, but one of them, nevertheless.
I wish you peace and light, Lou.
gg
Posted by 10derheart on November 21, 2011, at 1:51:43
In reply to Lou's reply-howllong » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 20, 2011, at 19:30:28
>>Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
I feel pressured. And it is not the first time because you have asked this question, worded similarly to this, before. I ask you stop doing so, please.
Posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 6:27:52
In reply to Lou's reply-howllong » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 20, 2011, at 19:30:28
> > > 2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
> >
> >
> > "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
> >
> > Never forget...
> >
> >
> Scott,
> You wrote the above. Thanks, I think that's good.
> Here is a way to see a video. if you could watch it, then you may want to post in the thread where Mr. Hsiung states that it is {OK} for it to be posted here. But is the statement in question supportive? My request to him is outstanding. Could you ask yourselves why? Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
> Lou
> To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [The Holocaust-Never forget-Jan 27 2011]
> There could be many. I would like for you to start with the one posted by 'True Football"
I appreciate your acting as a sentinel to guard against antisemitism. You have stated your concerns and opinions quite clearly. I am not sure what more you can do. It appears that your petitioning Dr. Bob to take some sort of action has not been effective in bringing about the change in his behavior that you would like to see. He certainly has the right to remain silent.If Dr. Bob has made the decision to remain silent, what else can you do to help prevent the emergence of antisemitism that you haven't already tried? What other ideas can you come up with? What other resources can you utilize? I acknowledge that this is a difficult issue to navigate.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 21, 2011, at 17:42:32
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howllong » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 6:27:52
> > > > 2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
> > >
> > >
> > > "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
> > >
> > > Never forget...
> > >
> > >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote the above. Thanks, I think that's good.
> > Here is a way to see a video. if you could watch it, then you may want to post in the thread where Mr. Hsiung states that it is {OK} for it to be posted here. But is the statement in question supportive? My request to him is outstanding. Could you ask yourselves why? Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
> > Lou
> > To view this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [The Holocaust-Never forget-Jan 27 2011]
> > There could be many. I would like for you to start with the one posted by 'True Football"
>
>
> I appreciate your acting as a sentinel to guard against antisemitism. You have stated your concerns and opinions quite clearly. I am not sure what more you can do. It appears that your petitioning Dr. Bob to take some sort of action has not been effective in bringing about the change in his behavior that you would like to see. He certainly has the right to remain silent.
>
> If Dr. Bob has made the decision to remain silent, what else can you do to help prevent the emergence of antisemitism that you haven't already tried? What other ideas can you come up with? What other resources can you utilize? I acknowledge that this is a difficult issue to navigate.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...a right to remain silent...].
Here is a way to see a post here. In the post, there is a quote. It could be in the same catagory as [...Those that cannot remember the past are condmned to repeat it...(George Satayana)]
Lou
To see this post:
A. Go tote search function at the bottom of this page
B. Type in:
[Lou's response to aspects, Dec 15, 2006]
There could be many but this one could come up first. It can be identified by that there is {64 Bowtie's post} in the subject line.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 21, 2011, at 18:26:55
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howllong » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 6:27:52
> > > > 2002? Nine years ago hadn't even joined babble yet. Let go and move forward with your life. The past happened and can't turn back the clocks. Phillipa
> > >
> > >
> > > "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
> > >
> > > Never forget...
> > >
> > >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote the above. Thanks, I think that's good.
> > Here is a way to see a video. if you could watch it, then you may want to post in the thread where Mr. Hsiung states that it is {OK} for it to be posted here. But is the statement in question supportive? My request to him is outstanding. Could you ask yourselves why? Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
> > Lou
> > To view this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [The Holocaust-Never forget-Jan 27 2011]
> > There could be many. I would like for you to start with the one posted by 'True Football"
>
>
> I appreciate your acting as a sentinel to guard against antisemitism. You have stated your concerns and opinions quite clearly. I am not sure what more you can do. It appears that your petitioning Dr. Bob to take some sort of action has not been effective in bringing about the change in his behavior that you would like to see. He certainly has the right to remain silent.
>
> If Dr. Bob has made the decision to remain silent, what else can you do to help prevent the emergence of antisemitism that you haven't already tried? What other ideas can you come up with? What other resources can you utilize? I acknowledge that this is a difficult issue to navigate.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...prevent the ermergence of antisemitism...What other...?]
Here is a post that you can see that IMHO could be of some help .
Lou
To see this post:
. Go to the search box at the end of this page.
B. Type in:
[Louu's request-Jan 27, 2011
There could be many. To identify the post it was posted on 8:27:02 or 8;29:02
Posted by fayeroe on November 23, 2011, at 23:35:46
In reply to Lou's reply- ptrymppfvveheevl » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 21, 2011, at 17:42:32
"[Lou's response to aspects, Dec 15, 2006]
There could be many but this one could come up first. It can be identified by that there is {64 Bowtie's post} in the subject line."I think I got blocked along about that time for trying to help you understand the dynamics involved when you ask people to read something that was written years ago and especially when you ask for opinions and judgments.
Lou, I would like to see you quit posting your requests for others to form opinions, etc. about the posts that happened years and years ago. I think that stopping it would be good for your health and the health of the forums, I cannot remember a time when this wasn't what you posted about. Personally, I've never read a post here that was antisemitic.
Sometimes if we get out of our own heads and respond to another poster's feelings, it helps. I would really like to see you help other posters by listening.
You and I have written many emails to one another and your emails have no relationship to how you post here. Try, Lou.
Lou, I won't answer if you reply to this. I've been down that road before and I am officially burning my map.
I wish you the best.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 10:48:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- ptrymppfvveheevl » Lou Pilder, posted by fayeroe on November 23, 2011, at 23:35:46
>
> "[Lou's response to aspects, Dec 15, 2006]
> There could be many but this one could come up first. It can be identified by that there is {64 Bowtie's post} in the subject line."
>
> I think I got blocked along about that time for trying to help you understand the dynamics involved when you ask people to read something that was written years ago and especially when you ask for opinions and judgments.
>
> Lou, I would like to see you quit posting your requests for others to form opinions, etc. about the posts that happened years and years ago. I think that stopping it would be good for your health and the health of the forums, I cannot remember a time when this wasn't what you posted about. Personally, I've never read a post here that was antisemitic.
>
> Sometimes if we get out of our own heads and respond to another poster's feelings, it helps. I would really like to see you help other posters by listening.
>
> You and I have written many emails to one another and your emails have no relationship to how you post here. Try, Lou.
>
> Lou, I won't answer if you reply to this. I've been down that road before and I am officially burning my map.
>
> I wish you the best.
>
>Friends,
It is written here,[...I've never read a post here that was antisemitic...].
That the member that wrote that has never seen a post here that is antisemitic does not mean that there are not posts here that are antisemitic, just because the member has never seen one.
A post that is antisemiti is one that could lead a Jew to feel put dow and/or accused when they read it. But that is not the only definition.
Lou
Here is a post that uses derogatory and dehumaniziing statements toward Jews. To see this post:
A. Go to the bottom of this page to the search box.
B. Type in:
[Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, 6:47:49]
There will be many. This one has |Psycho-Babble in the subject line and is usually 3erd or 4th.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 11:21:32
In reply to Lou's response-phndtnvheyt » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 10:48:31
> >
> > "[Lou's response to aspects, Dec 15, 2006]
> > There could be many but this one could come up first. It can be identified by that there is {64 Bowtie's post} in the subject line."
> >
> > I think I got blocked along about that time for trying to help you understand the dynamics involved when you ask people to read something that was written years ago and especially when you ask for opinions and judgments.
> >
> > Lou, I would like to see you quit posting your requests for others to form opinions, etc. about the posts that happened years and years ago. I think that stopping it would be good for your health and the health of the forums, I cannot remember a time when this wasn't what you posted about. Personally, I've never read a post here that was antisemitic.
> >
> > Sometimes if we get out of our own heads and respond to another poster's feelings, it helps. I would really like to see you help other posters by listening.
> >
> > You and I have written many emails to one another and your emails have no relationship to how you post here. Try, Lou.
> >
> > Lou, I won't answer if you reply to this. I've been down that road before and I am officially burning my map.
> >
> > I wish you the best.
> >
> >
>
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...I've never read a post here that was antisemitic...].
> That the member that wrote that has never seen a post here that is antisemitic does not mean that there are not posts here that are antisemitic, just because the member has never seen one.
> A post that is antisemiti is one that could lead a Jew to feel put dow and/or accused when they read it. But that is not the only definition.
> Lou
> Here is a post that uses derogatory and dehumaniziing statements toward Jews. To see this post:
> A. Go to the bottom of this page to the search box.
> B. Type in:
> [Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, 6:47:49]
> There will be many. This one has |Psycho-Babble in the subject line and is usually 3erd or 4th.Friends,
Here is a post that constitutes what is known as {anti-Judaism} which is theological antisemitism. The post defames the Jews as can be seen in #5 in a list written here in the 2end group of two groups as sen in the post.
To see this post:
A. Go to the botom of this page to the search box.
B. Type in:
[Re: a good battle,to foster any agenda, 21:41:14]
If there is only one post, it could bring up the entire thread. The post in question is the 2end post in the list and to verify you will see two lists about the top ten. The part in question is in the 2end list as #5. The sttatement could be defaming to Jews and leads to part of what could be an indoctrination here as that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies can control the content here by either stateing that a statement is supportive or not or allowing a statement to stand without sanction. When a statement here is left unsanctioned, people can think that it is supportive because Mr. Hsiung says that support takes precendence and that he does what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
Well, when people read this statement in question here, and they could be taking mind-altering drugs, then that could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug(s) to be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. Now if they read the statement in question, then they could also get the (false) idea that they are superior to Jews and others that have their agenda in their religion not centerd on the claim in question here. This could then IMHO give rise to homocidal thinking to target a Jew for murder.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 11:49:05
In reply to Lou's response-phozdrheyt, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 11:21:32
> > >
> > > "[Lou's response to aspects, Dec 15, 2006]
> > > There could be many but this one could come up first. It can be identified by that there is {64 Bowtie's post} in the subject line."
> > >
> > > I think I got blocked along about that time for trying to help you understand the dynamics involved when you ask people to read something that was written years ago and especially when you ask for opinions and judgments.
> > >
> > > Lou, I would like to see you quit posting your requests for others to form opinions, etc. about the posts that happened years and years ago. I think that stopping it would be good for your health and the health of the forums, I cannot remember a time when this wasn't what you posted about. Personally, I've never read a post here that was antisemitic.
> > >
> > > Sometimes if we get out of our own heads and respond to another poster's feelings, it helps. I would really like to see you help other posters by listening.
> > >
> > > You and I have written many emails to one another and your emails have no relationship to how you post here. Try, Lou.
> > >
> > > Lou, I won't answer if you reply to this. I've been down that road before and I am officially burning my map.
> > >
> > > I wish you the best.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...I've never read a post here that was antisemitic...].
> > That the member that wrote that has never seen a post here that is antisemitic does not mean that there are not posts here that are antisemitic, just because the member has never seen one.
> > A post that is antisemiti is one that could lead a Jew to feel put dow and/or accused when they read it. But that is not the only definition.
> > Lou
> > Here is a post that uses derogatory and dehumaniziing statements toward Jews. To see this post:
> > A. Go to the bottom of this page to the search box.
> > B. Type in:
> > [Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, 6:47:49]
> > There will be many. This one has |Psycho-Babble in the subject line and is usually 3erd or 4th.
>
> Friends,
> Here is a post that constitutes what is known as {anti-Judaism} which is theological antisemitism. The post defames the Jews as can be seen in #5 in a list written here in the 2end group of two groups as sen in the post.
> To see this post:
> A. Go to the botom of this page to the search box.
> B. Type in:
> [Re: a good battle,to foster any agenda, 21:41:14]
> If there is only one post, it could bring up the entire thread. The post in question is the 2end post in the list and to verify you will see two lists about the top ten. The part in question is in the 2end list as #5. The sttatement could be defaming to Jews and leads to part of what could be an indoctrination here as that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies can control the content here by either stateing that a statement is supportive or not or allowing a statement to stand without sanction. When a statement here is left unsanctioned, people can think that it is supportive because Mr. Hsiung says that support takes precendence and that he does what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
> Well, when people read this statement in question here, and they could be taking mind-altering drugs, then that could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug(s) to be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. Now if they read the statement in question, then they could also get the (false) idea that they are superior to Jews and others that have their agenda in their religion not centerd on the claim in question here. This could then IMHO give rise to homocidal thinking to target a Jew for murder.Friends,
Here is a video that I would like for interested discussants to view.
To see this video.A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Chruch History-Youtube]
you will see a pic of a man...posted on Oct 10 2008, timeis 9 min
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2011, at 19:33:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-kauzvholo » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 19, 2011, at 17:35:15
> > > >You wrote,[...the situation is not favorable to anyone...].
> > > >Would you be willing to explain here what you are wanting to mean by that? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to >respond accordingly.
>
> Give it a rest for God's sake.ed,
You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. In,[...for God's sake...], which God are you referring to?
B. In [...Give {it} a rest...], what is the {it}?
C. How long would the rest be?
D. Why would the God that you identify here want this rest to happen, if that is what you mean by that god's sake, if you know?
E. What authority do you use, if any, that the God you identify (redacted by respondent).
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2011, at 20:28:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howllong » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on November 21, 2011, at 0:40:26
> > Could you ask yourselves why you are not posting in that thread to say as to if you think the statement in question is supportive or not? How long will the members here (redacted by respondent)?
> > Lou
>
> I know you asked this of Scott, but more than once you've referred to your perception of the members' or the community's lack of action. I can only answer for myself. I have not posted my view of whether what the statement in question is supportive or not for the following reasons:
>
> - I am not willing to "police" the supportiveness of every post. I wasn't willing or able to review every post as a deputy, and I sure as heck am not willing to do that as just me.
>
> - I am not comfortable with and try to avoid reinforcing, escalating, or otherwise "feeding" a behavior when I find myself wondering if it is a manifestation of an unhealthy obsession.
>
> - I do not share your assessment of the value of giving that thread any more attention.
>
> And finally, when I feel like I am being coerced, shamed, and/or manipulated, whether I actually am or not, I tend to dig in my heels and become obstinate vs accommodating. Not one of my better traits, but one of them, nevertheless.
>
> I wish you peace and light, Lou.
>
> gg
> Friends,
It is written here,[...
> if it is a manifestation of an unnhealtthy obsession].
I post here sitting before you but I do not sit alone. With me are 6 million others, but they can not post here. Their ashes have been cast to the wind, their graves unmarked and scatterd. They can not post here and I will post for them. I will post for the 1 1/2 million Jewish children that were murdered and had atrocities comitted to them by people that claimed that they were sperior to Jews and that Jews had no right to life. Those murderers trusted one man's thinking that by murdering all the Jews that it would be good for that country as a whole.
Those murdered have no voice, but I do. And I will use my voice to speak for those children. I will speak for them so that what happened could not happen again. But it can happen again if those with the thinking that Jews can not have eternal life or forgivness because they reject the claim that only (redacted by respondent)Jesus or the claim that faiths that have their agenda not cenrered on Jesus (redacted by respondent) ot that the Jews are held collectivly responsible for (redacted by respondent).
I hear their blood cry out. And if their is any chance that people here will think that it is supportive to post that Jews can not have forgivness or eternal life bacause they are Jews that do not accept the claim posted here in question, then in the name of humanity, I will continue to question the purpose of this site.
Lou
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