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Posted by mystified on February 11, 2010, at 22:37:36
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:36:45
> > Recent redirects lead me to believe Dr. Bob continues to want the forum topics categorized. I wish he would weigh in on this.
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> > mystified
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> I continue to want the forum topics categorized. :-)I am glad to hear that. I have a sneaking feeling that the only way that's going to work is if the med forum is closely monitored. Some are not going change their posting habits and feel everything belongs there.
I wish ppl would realize this is not about silencing any discussions, it's about being clear in the focus of the med board. I believe it should be about meds as that is, more than likely, what anyone is going to believe it's about as THAT IS its name. I think it should focus on psych meds.
My toe fungus might be related to my mental health but discussion of that ===== I FEEL ===== does not belong on the med board. However, there is an available board here for that very discussion :)
Posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Dr. Bob, posted by mystified on February 11, 2010, at 22:37:36
Do you post on meds? Curious? Or read? Many seem to like the inclusion of all types of meds as so many used off approved useage for other conditions they were approved originally for which are not psych conditions. The posters will I feel have their feelings and say. Then Dr Bob will ultimately decide whether more posters is best or less. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on February 12, 2010, at 4:40:42
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
the thyriod may or may not belong on meds..///you see in england you are tested for thyriod soon as you seek help for depression///.not always at the gps. he will try out ads, if its a short term prob in his eyes,// but if you are sent for a hospital diagnosis, they look to the pysical first. /// ie, thyriod , brain scan, nuro,about 20 blood tests .// then you start metal illness talks,so you americans are behing us on the front line.// but the down side is its a 1 to 2 year waiting list to see a p doc.. // i was found to be a total nutball but i did have a thyriod prob , albe not a big one ./// but i take meds for it to this day, and after my last blood test i was raised on the thyriod med.//but we keep a close eye on things like that i have a monthly blood test on thyriod to monitor any movment.so i should be on meds //,as it is a med you take that effects your mental illness.but how come all you babblers in other countries dont have all these test first before your treated for mental probs.///the thyriod is the first one in england, you dont want to be on a shed load of meds for depression, if its caused by thyriod stibility
Posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 5:58:34
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
> Do you post on meds? Curious? Or read?
Why does that matter?
> Many seem to like the inclusion of all types of meds as so many used off approved useage for other conditions they were approved originally for which are not psych conditions.Really? Many?
> The posters will I feel have their feelings and say. Then Dr Bob will ultimately decide whether more posters is best or less. PhillipaIt's not about more or less posters, it's about where posts belong.
I'm outta this, phillipa. I've said all I can say. Run the place as you wish.
Posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 10:45:49
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 12, 2010, at 4:40:42
Manic you are so correct in my opinion. You know I never knew the thyroid was involved in mental illness til reviewing my patients charts in the hospital when working and saw that so many had thyroid disease. And now I feel dumb as simple searches say that thyroid causes depression or other psych problems. Love Phillipa
Posted by Willful on February 12, 2010, at 18:00:49
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Phillipa, posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 5:58:34
I-- and I think a lot of people-- come to Psychobabble to learn more about psych meds, present and future.
I find posts about other ailments disturbing and unnecessary. If I wanted to read about lots of diseases I would go to medical discussion forum, not a psychiatric meds discussion forum.
It not only adds unnecessary anxiety to reading the meds board (as I'm often coming up against posts on illnesses that I don't particularly want to think about), but disrupts the flow of posts and creates diversions and controversy.
If the babble meds board is going to address all sorts of illnesses, then I won't to there, but at least I'll know what to expect if I do.
I feel as if an implicit promise is being broken when I go to a board that's about a certain subject and keep coming across posts on other distressing issues.
Willful
Posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 18:03:15
In reply to In favor of non-psych health on health board, posted by Willful on February 12, 2010, at 18:00:49
> I feel as if an implicit promise is being broken when I go to a board that's about a certain subject and keep coming across posts on other distressing issues.
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> WillfulHere, here !!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 12, 2010, at 19:48:15
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
> philippa you should have a google forum . you carnt just bang any old google crap you dont understand on the med forum just to fill space.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that this community helps you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Dinah, thanks for trying to help this time.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 2 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 2.88 rounded = 3 weeks
Posted by hyperfocus on February 15, 2010, at 15:44:13
In reply to Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 9, 2010, at 13:10:44
Well I'm looking at the board now and the vast majority of posts are about psych meds. That's how it's always been AFAIK. Topics like thyroid, Lymes, mercury amalgams, antibiotics, etc are there because there are extremely important links between these things and mental illness now entering the mainstream scientific thinking. I really don't see any off-topic posts here. I've never really seen anybody using Meds as a journal. Sometimes people might post updates on how they're doing and how they feel on the meds or how they're doing in life generally, or how to manage insomnia and pain and other SEs using OTC drugs, or how a drug helps their fibromyalgia etc. but that seems to me to be an integral part of a forum dedicated to psych meds.
I know the board said it's about Psych meds but you can't discuss psych meds without discussing other stuff too. The links between MI and conditions like Lymes and autoimmune and mineral deficiencies are right on the cutting edge of scientific investigations. I'm wandering around in the wilderness searching for a cure to this terrible disease and I'm so grateful people take their time to post about these theories.
When I was in a lot of pain I posted to meds because I just wanted to reach out for help to as many people as possible. I've seen others do the same. These meds impact our day-to-day living very significantly so it's no surprise that other issues can spill over to the meds board. But compared to the vast majority of posts this seems too insignificant to warrant attention.
> as they apply as a treatment of Mental Health diseases? Psych medications? Anybody?
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> Can more redirects happen to make that board clearer in purpose and focus? To include using health, alternative, social, psych etc forums when the PRIMARY topics are: Personal Blogs, Thyroid Disease, Lymes Disease, Heavy Metal Concerns, CFIDS, Bone Diseases, General Health links, Vaccines, Substance Abuse, Family Relations and whatever the catchall topics found to be on meds forum that aren't about PSYCH meds?
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> If not, get rid of the other boards and have one big generalized.
Posted by janejane on February 16, 2010, at 9:52:25
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by hyperfocus on February 15, 2010, at 15:44:13
An example of how most people don't bother to look at boards other than meds is demonstrated by inanimate peanut's threads about addiction. She posted pretty much the same thing in social as well as in meds. The post in social got no replies, and the one in meds got a bunch. People just don't go to those other boards much, which is why some of us post in meds even if the topic isn't strictly med-related (which is often hard to delineate, as I've mentioned before). Given that social probably has the most traffic next to meds makes the point even stronger. People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 16, 2010, at 9:52:25
> People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
They could check other boards, but you can also mention on one other board that a related topic was brought up there. Including a link might help them find it.
Choose one other board, don't post to multiple other boards. And choose either a related board or Social.
Would that be a reasonable compromise?
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 12:18:54
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
I feel it would possibly work if when the thread is re directed the link still sends notifications to the posters on the original thread as for many years threads die when redirected. I know this is a bit off topic as you did say pick a board. Just thought I'd add this. Phillipa
Posted by janejane on February 17, 2010, at 12:47:17
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
> > People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
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> They could check other boards, but you can also mention on one other board that a related topic was brought up there. Including a link might help them find it.
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> Choose one other board, don't post to multiple other boards. And choose either a related board or Social.
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> Would that be a reasonable compromise?
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> BobI think that what happened in this case is that Peanut posted to the social board and got no response so she later posted to the med board and got lots. I can't blame her for doing that, especially since I think what she wrote about could be med-related, though she didn't frame it that way. The problem is that most babblers just don't bother to look at other boards so if she just posted to social, it would never have taken off.
What I think you're suggesting is that she should have started a new thread in meds with a link to the one in social. Is that right? That seems sort of redundant to me. It would amount to almost the same thing as double-posting, and probably bother the people who don't like non-med stuff on the main board.
P.S. to Peanut: sorry to use your threads as examples, but I thought it was a good way to show the difference between traffic on the different boards.
Posted by Willful on February 17, 2010, at 14:16:42
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » Dr. Bob, posted by janejane on February 17, 2010, at 12:47:17
There are very few double posts, from what I've noticed. Maybe I've missed them, because I mostly check three or four boards and don't read others where I'm not particularly involved in the topics.
But that's why I'm an advocate of separate boards and posting relevant topics on the relevant board. I really do come here to participate in certain types of discussions, and not others.
If a topic has a direct connection to psych meds, and is about a physical problem, then I have no issue with its being posted on the meds board. But when it doesn't as with quite a few recent posts, I do actually see it as a hindrance to discussion, and also at times a disturbing interference in my desire not to be involved in certain topics. One reason I don't go to the grief board is that I find it too upsetting. I find other types of discussions disturbing, too and try to avoid them.
On the other hand, I am very interested in psych meds, and would like to participate, either as lurker or poster on that board. So when I see certain topics that I'd rather avoid, and that have nothing to do with psych meds, it seems unhelpful.
I accept that there may be topics related to psych meds that I find upsetting-- but that's a price I feel I've agreed to pay to participate.
If Bob wanted to keep all topics, like grief and alternative meds, etc, on one board, I wouldn't find this a place I would visit very often. But that isn't the case here.
I just believe that we should all respect and act according to the posting set=up and rules.
Willful
Posted by mystified on February 17, 2010, at 15:17:44
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
I think one of the problems is a disconnect of posters still considering the Med board the Main board, which it no longer is. The medication discussions were just called Psychobabble at one time. BUT, that was a while back. As Psychobabble or as Medication, that forum does tend to have more traffic but I don't see that as a good reason to continue to have any and all topics there if you want the topics categorized. You have stated you did.
The expectation of categorizing topics will never work if the kitchen sink approach on Medications continues. I think it is confusing to have categories but the message in practice is === But hey, they don't really matter.
Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 21:03:41
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » Dr. Bob, posted by mystified on February 17, 2010, at 15:17:44
Physical problems lead sometimes to mental problems and vis versa so how can you separate the two? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 21:07:58
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 21:03:41
Here's a good example. Phillipa
http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/life-with-ra-10/ra-depression?ecd=wnl_emw_021710
Posted by Dinah on February 17, 2010, at 23:00:50
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 21:03:41
To tell the truth, although it's called Psychobabble Medications I've always remembered that it was somewhat more inclusive than that. That Health was designed for more general medical problems, but that the main board was appropriate for health issues related to mental health, for discussions of biological issues regarding mental health, and for nonmedication approved biological treatments like ECT or TMS (if I'm remembering the acronyms properly).
So that discussions of the flu or remedies for bloating would be appropriate for Health. But that discussions of mental health issues stemming from thyroid problems, fibromyalgia (sp?), or hormones would be fine on the Medications Board.
Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2010, at 19:44:02
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dinah on February 17, 2010, at 23:00:50
Dinah it just makes sense to me. Thanks for the validation. Love Phillipa
Posted by Justherself54 on February 18, 2010, at 21:00:10
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dinah on February 17, 2010, at 23:00:50
>>Welcome!
>>This is a message board for mutual support and education.
This is the first sentence welcoming you to the med board. I'm trying to make a habit of reading that sentence every time I visit this board. To me, it's a reminder that I'm ill, suffering and need support.
Somehow, it helps me from getting all cranky and posting from the hip. It must be working, as I'm still cranky as he**, just not reacting as I would have in the past.
Some people may get ticked off that there are posts that they feel don't belong on the med board..but until we get more traffic on the other boards, I think we need to remember we all need support and education. Tolerance is a good thing.
That's all my brain can come up with right now.
Posted by Willful on February 19, 2010, at 12:59:46
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Justherself54 on February 18, 2010, at 21:00:10
I'm not sure if this is your implication, but I'm not cranky,and I'm not shooting from the hip.
Willful
Posted by Justherself54 on February 19, 2010, at 14:22:05
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Willful on February 19, 2010, at 12:59:46
I don't understand. I was simply posting on this thread. If you felt I was singling you out, I'm afraid there's not much I can do, other than to say I wasn't.
Posted by Willful on February 19, 2010, at 22:56:08
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » Willful, posted by Justherself54 on February 19, 2010, at 14:22:05
Glad to hear it.
Willful
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 20, 2010, at 12:07:20
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » Dr. Bob, posted by janejane on February 17, 2010, at 12:47:17
> I think that what happened in this case is that Peanut posted to the social board and got no response so she later posted to the med board and got lots.
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> What I think you're suggesting is that she should have started a new thread in meds with a link to the one in social. Is that right? That seems sort of redundant to me. It would amount to almost the same thing as double-posting, and probably bother the people who don't like non-med stuff on the main board.Right, a new thread in Meds, but the idea would be just to direct people to Social, not to start a discussion in Meds. So it would be a compromise.
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 20, 2010, at 12:15:59
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 20, 2010, at 12:07:20
Where did all the posters go? Any idea? Phillipa
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