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Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2009, at 12:30:03
Reviewed the boards babble is almost empty for months on some boards. And still think babble is alive and doing well? I don't see it. Just my opinion. Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on November 20, 2009, at 12:33:45
In reply to Babble Almost Gone, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2009, at 12:30:03
Posted by SLS on November 20, 2009, at 14:30:41
In reply to And with it one of my few sources of support (nm), posted by Dinah on November 20, 2009, at 12:33:45
I am guessing that some people left because of the Facebook / Titter thing.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on November 20, 2009, at 16:20:34
In reply to Re: And with it one of my few sources of support, posted by SLS on November 20, 2009, at 14:30:41
Meds still looks ok, but very few people are left on Social or Psychology.
And it didn't have to be that way. A bit of responsiveness from the commander and chief would have gone a long way.
But it's done now.
I've decided to go down with the ship.
Posted by Sigismund on November 20, 2009, at 18:49:35
In reply to Re: And with it one of my few sources of support, posted by Dinah on November 20, 2009, at 16:20:34
There used to be traffic on Books, and Politics.
I remember 2 years ago how empty Politics was compared to 2 years before that.
It's been a long way down.
Nothing to do with Twitter and FB really, they were just some camel's straw.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2009, at 12:40:25
In reply to Babble Almost Gone, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2009, at 12:30:03
> Reviewed the boards babble is almost empty for months on some boards. And still think babble is alive and doing well? I don't see it. Just my opinion. Phillipa
Friends,
It is written here,[...I don't see it...].
What may not be seen is what the great things that came out from this forum are.
You see, the site has the potential for members to explore and find helpful answers to the member's concerns. Let us look at my case as an example, for I came here in hopes to find out what could happen to me and to find a cure for an adverse reaction to a prescribed antidepressant.
After taking the AD for a few days, music started that has never stopped. The company that makes the drug responded to my concerns with articles showing that it has happened to others. So I found that the drug could cause the neurons that tranfer sound to malfunction in such a way to some people to be a cause. This meant to me that there is not a cure as of now.
So without a cure the thought of something worse developing from this led me to find that the situation does not cause a reaction to other brain areas and is not a mental illness. The point here is that without my comming to this site, I would not have found that out. So I am indebted to this site for that. And others could find other things to alleviate concerns of theirs.
I found out that through more ressearch that the music will not cause changes to my perception or reality. It is what it is, it is music 24/7.
The music comes from my memory back to childhood and the song changes. The music is all instrumental, no voices. The volume in my case is amplified to a greatly annoying level so that getting to sleep is a problem. Imagine a CD to be playing, and you can't turn it off, and the music is off-key. Imagine the distraction in relation to communicating with others under these conditions. Imagine how this could effect your thinking in orginization and such. I have had to simplify my life and tasks are difficult to complete due to the annoyance and distraction.
But the good things are that others have emailed me with the same condition and I am not alone. I don't think that I could ever work in a bank, for example, with this condition. I think robbers could sense my condition and I could be easily robbed for I am slowed dramatically due to the distraction of the music. What I am wanting to do is to help others overcome this type of situation by letting them know that the liturature says that it is not a mental illness, nor will it cause disease or such.
I think that there is the potential for some people to ponder suicde when this condition arises so this site has allowed me to reach people to comfort them to let them know that it is not a mental illness nor will it cause a disease. I have had had email with many people around the world in regards to them finding me here concerning what is callled {Musical Hallucinations}. They were glad to find out that it is not a mental illness or a disease that could cause worse and to plan on living their life differently to cope with the distraction and annoyance, for I have found no cure to this type of MH.
Now with the thinking of there being no cure, what can I give to others to help? My thinking is that with God, all things are possible. If all things, then I can overcome this, not by being able to do what I could if I did not have it, but to do something else and accept the situation. And if I could help others who are thinking of the worst to kill themselves, to sing a new song, to change their attitude about a dibilitating condition even different from mine, then this site's rank is at the top. For you see, I think that there is God within all of us, like a seed, surrounded by the human condition keeping it from florishing, enclosed by it. And by peeling off the layers of humanity, only your God-self would be what is left and you could be in the presence of God. And there is the Rider on a White Horse. Who is this Rider? The Rider is in your heart, for the last thing that I heard from Him was, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2009, at 21:12:14
In reply to Lou says thanks » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2009, at 12:40:25
Lou and I never knew. I'm sorry truly I am. Love Phillipa
Posted by maxime on November 24, 2009, at 21:21:06
In reply to Babble Almost Gone, posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2009, at 12:30:03
> Reviewed the boards babble is almost empty for months on some boards. And still think babble is alive and doing well? I don't see it. Just my opinion. Phillipa
Phillipa, you have started a lot of threads on admin and the med board about Babble disappearing. I was just wondering why you are so obsessed with it. I don't mean that in a mean way at all. Have you ever talked to your therapist about what Babble means to you? What *does* Babble mean to you?
And again, I am *not* putting you down. I am simply making an observation. And to be honest it worries me that you depend so much on this board having posts.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2009, at 21:52:29
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » Phillipa, posted by maxime on November 24, 2009, at 21:21:06
Maxie doing my part to try and keep it going. I spend a lot of time waiting for Greg so we can leave and get our stuff shipped for ebay. Then shop of things. Do you remember how we would have fun too Ed and others? That's what babble means to me. Friendships some I have now on facebook. Love Phillipa ps have you joined facebook?
Posted by 10derHeart on November 25, 2009, at 1:22:28
In reply to Lou says thanks » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2009, at 12:40:25
Lou,
This is a wonderful and beautiful post. It's hard to explain how much joy it gave me to read it. I have been having a little bit of a difficult time, and forgetting I also *do* believe I have the power to sing a new song, as you said :-) I sometimes also forget for a while that I think with God all things are possible.
Thank you for the lovely reminder.
You are special, Lou.
Posted by Maxime on November 25, 2009, at 14:16:32
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » maxime, posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2009, at 21:52:29
Okay, now I understand. :) Thanks for letting me know.
Yes, I am Facebook, but I keep that separate from people I know on Psycho Babble. It's a privacy thing for me I guess.
Posted by Phillipa on November 25, 2009, at 20:16:14
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on November 25, 2009, at 14:16:32
Quite a few babblers on my page. No meds discussed though. Phillipa
Posted by okydoky on December 5, 2009, at 15:30:26
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on November 25, 2009, at 20:16:14
I get on psyo babble every now and again almost always for med support. I have several times checked out other boards and a time or two gotten drawn in about disputes on the Admin board. There always seems to be something. Sometimes seemingly more meaningful or serious than others. I don't want to get caught up in any of it anymore for my own reasons, but I read some of the recent posts and was curious what is the twitter and face book issue?
oky
Posted by ron1953 on December 10, 2009, at 11:05:14
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by okydoky on December 5, 2009, at 15:30:26
I visit only occasionally, just to see if the downward spiral continues, and it's a shame to see how bad it's become. Babble is a good idea that went wrong trying to achieve an impossible ideal regarding "civility". Ideals are fine, so long as reality and pragmatism aren't sacrificed in the name of an unreachable goal. Bob and some core members have beaten the civility dead horse to the point where Babble is no longer a good place to exchange information because of the civility overhead. A poster cannot freely and comfortably speak his/her mind without either convoluted forethought to avoid the civility police, or plain fear of them. Either situation does not lend itself to a helpful, friendly, therapeutic environment. Bob has insisted on an illusion of "safety" only to perpetuate a forum that is, for all intents and purposes, safe for nobody. Like I said, it's a shame.
Posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 11:55:52
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by ron1953 on December 10, 2009, at 11:05:14
Well I posted my thoughts on the neurotransmitter site:http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/neuro/20091104/msgs/928281.html
I just did not know what the stuff about "twitter" and "facebook" were about. what I did understand was that this site is loosing posters and it was a way ( I don't understand the way) to increase posters. I say if it is not working for those that need it let someone else invent a better wheel, or fix your own wheel. I don't see this happening because of who the wheel benefits the most. I have not been on many other sites and not real active but I never came across anything even remotely like the self serving ***** (fill in whateer suits you). I agree with you that in order to post anything on this site especially not related to a specific question on meds for example, I have to go through a lot of convoluted forethought which in a way goes to all the feelings I have that I posted (at least some of them.)
I guess the question becomes who is the site intended for most? Or who gets the most benefit from it? Those that created it and/or administrator(s) or those that go to it because of a need? Who's needs are being met and at what cost? Well I could go on and on but I choose not to. Some things just fade away because their reason for being no longer exists or something better comes along. Looks like "Bob" does not want what "he" "invented" gone hence the facebook and twitter thing. Kind of answers the question of who is getting the most benefit!!
I suppose I will be banned from posting for a time or what ever they call it if this comes to "anyone's" attention. I guess I might have put someone down or something?At least your post was "eloquent" and probably not written in the middle of the night in anger and depression.
I did not read too much on the admin site and I do not remember the exact quote but when a member questioned something about changes or how it works "Bob" answered that the site belonged to HIM and not the university. I think that says everything and answers everything that I needed to know. They play a game of linguistic gymnastics as "gardengirl" once bragged quite openly how good she was at it.oky
Posted by Sigismund on December 10, 2009, at 18:44:34
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 11:55:52
Has it got anything to do with the advertising?
If not, it must just be to get some people in.
Which sounds ridiculous, I know, as if the building of a community is as easy as that.
This could be a learning experience, but I'm not confident.
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2009, at 18:55:52
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 11:55:52
Don't worry about administrators or deputies. Haven't seen a deputy in months and the only one left hasn't been here in over a year. I like facebook as we have fun and guess what we can delete ourself a post if we chose to. I've learned the civility guidelines according to this site so well that I accuse my husband of a generalization if he even uses the word all and many fight insue because of it. Guess I'm very civil now? So civil that docs and people walk all over me in real life now. Phillipa guess the name is getting ready to retire.
Posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 20:04:27
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by Sigismund on December 10, 2009, at 18:44:34
You seem to be guessing at the reasoning for linking Babble to other sites.
I see your name more on the admin site so I am guessing that my archive search was more inclusive than i had thought and that there is no stated reason?
With that in mind could someone that knows why Babble would be linked to these two other sites provide us with an answer.
Thanks.
oky
Posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 20:18:03
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » okydoky, posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2009, at 18:55:52
Unfortunately we have to live in the real world. Which is what I was kind of getting to in my "rant" on neuro.
Being in places specific to people with mental illness in my opinion and experience does nothing to enhance and prepare ones coping skills and expectations and ability to form new friendships )who are not "trained" in civility rules"), in the real world which is what I believe most of us strive to be engaged in and accepted in as a functioning part of.
Not segregated out as its own populous, like the mentally retarded or at times in our history the African American as examples only.Always a little less than although it would never be openly expressed. Professionals I have known well that confided their mental health issues to me only after learning of mine would never allow for those in their offices to have that knowledge even though they are often unaware that they are not alone there!
oky
Posted by Justherself54 on December 10, 2009, at 20:59:46
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by okydoky on December 10, 2009, at 20:04:27
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090813/msgs/922824.html
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2009, at 21:20:54
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » okydoky, posted by Justherself54 on December 10, 2009, at 20:59:46
Wow way back in October. Long time ago. Deleting posts from facebook means if someone a relative perhaps posts something that would hurt another. Phillipa or whatever
Posted by okydoky on December 11, 2009, at 1:54:28
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » okydoky, posted by Justherself54 on December 10, 2009, at 20:59:46
Just curious in plain English what did you understand that all that meant?
I think it can be simplified quite easily. He want to get more posters on this site and this is a quick and easy way to do it. If people on Facebook and Twitter were looking for mental health help they most likely would already be here. Of course not in every case. Don't tweek your own wheel just keep on trying in different ways to entice others over to your van and take them for a ride.Maybe they can be seduced into staying if the initial ride is a good one.But For how long? It should be interesting to see what and how long they stay.
oky
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 11, 2009, at 6:33:42
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone » okydoky, posted by Justherself54 on December 10, 2009, at 20:59:46
Posted by twinleaf on December 11, 2009, at 11:00:39
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 11, 2009, at 6:33:42
I think he forgot something. He has driven all of his current posters- the ones who gave this site it's meaning and value - either away completely, or into psychological hiding. This is no longer a site worth coming "to", because there's no longer anyone sharing anything meaningful to them. Babble used to be fascinating, but now it's extremely boring.
I'm one of the people who have kept on believing that Babble could be restored to its former wonderful self, but I'm losing that hope pretty rapidly now. This whole thing is very, very sad. It really didn't have to happen.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2009, at 14:37:54
In reply to Re: Babble Almost Gone, posted by twinleaf on December 11, 2009, at 11:00:39
> I think he forgot something. He has driven all of his current posters- the ones who gave this site it's meaning and value - either away completely, or into psychological hiding. This is no longer a site worth coming "to", because there's no longer anyone sharing anything meaningful to them. Babble used to be fascinating, but now it's extremely boring.
>
> I'm one of the people who have kept on believing that Babble could be restored to its former wonderful self, but I'm losing that hope pretty rapidly now. This whole thing is very, very sad. It really didn't have to happen.tl,
You wrote,[...either xxx or yyy...there's zz wwwww vvvvvv sharing uuuuuuuu ttttttttt..now it is ppppppp oooooo.... ]
I ask:
A. Could there be a possibility other than those two given?
B. What is involved in psychological hiding?
C. what is a meaningful sharing?
D. other questions not stated
Lou
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