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Posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:32
In reply to Thanks for apologizing... » Phillipa, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 16:27:40
phillipa is trying to conform obey appease bob's recent whim---posters pressure posters to apologize; posters pressure posters to follow bob. cool aid, anyone?. I thought pressuring was against site rules?
god, any idiot could see where this would lead.
Posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing..., posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 19:22:22
But then, bob's not just any idiot, is he?
Posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
In reply to Thanks for apologizing... » Phillipa, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 16:27:40
10der, thanks for being honest enough to acknowledge the inherent absurdity of this and other bobpolicies. The idea that bob's deputies can assume motive and intent (please don't assume, PBC), the idea that bob's deputies and bob can judge who has or who has not leapt to a conclusion (while they are leaping), the idea that they can judge while posters cannot, they can condemn while posters cannot, they can punish while posters cannot..... That they can ASSUME sarcasm, for example, ("Please don't be sarcastic") while indulging heavily in it themselves....
Absurdity layered upon absurdity. Just what a poor crazy person need when he/she bumbles around on the internet looking for help.
Posted by BayLeaf on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
In reply to Please be civil » Gabbette, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 16:27:36
Since this is all so new and a "a work in progress", perhaps an explanation and a "please rephrase" may have been more appropriate?
Please reconsider.
Bay
Posted by Phillipa on May 11, 2009, at 21:28:16
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing..., posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:32
Staying on thread thanks since involved. Love Phillipa
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 21:47:56
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing...10der, posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
I don't think encouraging posters to apologize to avoid admin action is absurd. It's not anything terribly new, as posters apologizing and working things out themselves has always been welcomed. Dr. Bob brought the idea to the forefront on Admin lately, is all.
While I don't always personally agree with each and every guideline or change, I don't think Dr. Bob's policies are absurd. If I did, I likely wouldn't be here, and certainly wouldn't choose to continue as a deputy.
>>I thought pressuring was against site rules?
I don't see making a one-time suggestion to another poster as pressuring.
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 21:52:01
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by BayLeaf on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
Sorry, I think I may have confused several issues in my posts. By 'work in progress,' I was mostly thinking of the sort of - exception? - for lack of a better term, of allowing posters to suggest something is uncivil and suggest an apology might help, being different than the usual policy of asking posters to follow site guidelines by strictly using the notification system if they think something may be uncivil.
If it was my ps to gabbi, I was thinking I hadn't followed Bobby's link from the beginning (I often don't follow links here for personal and technical reasons), and so perhaps I've missed something in the meaning of the thread as a whole....but at this point I still see what I saw as uncivil as uncivil. I should have explained, or refrained, or something, to avoid confusing anyone.
As for whether a PRT would have been better, I'll let Dr. Bob decide. He reviews our actions as soon as he can, and he'll review this one.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 11:26:57
In reply to Please be civil » Bobby, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 16:27:31
To the administrator that sanctioned Bobby here for writing what the deputy says could lead the member that wrote what bobby commented on to feel put down.
I am wondering what criteria you used in your thinking to sanction bobby as to what he wrote that you write could lead the other member to feel put down. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What could be the criteria that you used in your thinking that caused you to sanction bobby in relation to what he posted could lead the other to feel put down?
B. In those criteria, if any, how could you determine that the other posted could feel put down?
C. Do you take a survey of others to determine if the criteria that you used, if any, could lead them to feel put down?
D. Do you substitute your feelings for the poster's feelings in making your determination as to that what bobby wrote could lead you to feel put down so then if it leads you to feel put down ,then that means that the poster in question would also feel put down?
E. Did you email the poster in question to find out if they feel put down when they read the statement in question here?
F. other questions not stated
If you could list those criteria that you use to determine that one could be led to feel put down, then I could take those criteria stated and apply them to posts here that are still unanswered to by the administration that I have posted reminders, over and over, to the administration to address what I feel could lead me as a Jew to feel put down and then determine for myself why those reminders are unanswered and create what the administration has written here as to what could result be a substantial time lag and forward your answer to a Jewish advocacy group.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 11:26:58
In reply to Lou's request for identification » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 9:39:18
> To the administrator that sanctioned Bobby here for writing what the deputy says could lead the member that wrote what bobby commented on to feel put down.
> I am wondering what criteria you used in your thinking to sanction bobby as to what he wrote that you write could lead the other member to feel put down. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What could be the criteria that you used in your thinking that caused you to sanction bobby in relation to what he posted could lead the other to feel put down?
> B. In those criteria, if any, how could you determine that the other posted could feel put down?
> C. Do you take a survey of others to determine if the criteria that you used, if any, could lead them to feel put down?
> D. Do you substitute your feelings for the poster's feelings in making your determination as to that what bobby wrote could lead you to feel put down so then if it leads you to feel put down ,then that means that the poster in question would also feel put down?
> E. Did you email the poster in question to find out if they feel put down when they read the statement in question here?
> F. other questions not stated
> If you could list those criteria that you use to determine that one could be led to feel put down, then I could take those criteria stated and apply them to posts here that are still unanswered to by the administration that I have posted reminders, over and over, to the administration to address what I feel could lead me as a Jew to feel put down and then determine for myself why those reminders are unanswered and create what the administration has written here as to what could result be a substantial time lag and forward your answer to a Jewish advocacy group.
> Lou Pilder
>To the administrator that sanctioned booby here:
I would like for you to read and go through the posts in the threads in the following before you post, if you are going to post an answer to my questions to you here. If you could, and then want to post any reasons that would allow those posts in question to stand that you may have now since time has run since their first postings and you may have differant opinions now,then I could then post responses to any posts that you give here.
To the readers:
You could email me if you like concerning the aspects in thias situation that I think that if you do, you will be greatly satisfied as to what you will read from me and could IMO be of great benifit to your mental health.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/429282.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 11:26:59
In reply to Lou's request for identification frm administrator, posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 10:21:31
Friends,
I did make a typographical error in relation to spelling {bobby} here. My apology...
Lou Pilder
> To the administrator that sanctioned Bobby here for writing what the deputy says could lead the member that wrote what bobby commented on to feel put down.
> > I am wondering what criteria you used in your thinking to sanction bobby as to what he wrote that you write could lead the other member to feel put down. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. What could be the criteria that you used in your thinking that caused you to sanction bobby in relation to what he posted could lead the other to feel put down?
> > B. In those criteria, if any, how could you determine that the other posted could feel put down?
> > C. Do you take a survey of others to determine if the criteria that you used, if any, could lead them to feel put down?
> > D. Do you substitute your feelings for the poster's feelings in making your determination as to that what bobby wrote could lead you to feel put down so then if it leads you to feel put down ,then that means that the poster in question would also feel put down?
> > E. Did you email the poster in question to find out if they feel put down when they read the statement in question here?
> > F. other questions not stated
> > If you could list those criteria that you use to determine that one could be led to feel put down, then I could take those criteria stated and apply them to posts here that are still unanswered to by the administration that I have posted reminders, over and over, to the administration to address what I feel could lead me as a Jew to feel put down and then determine for myself why those reminders are unanswered and create what the administration has written here as to what could result be a substantial time lag and forward your answer to a Jewish advocacy group.
> > Lou Pilder
> >
>
> To the administrator that sanctioned booby here:
> I would like for you to read and go through the posts in the threads in the following before you post, if you are going to post an answer to my questions to you here. If you could, and then want to post any reasons that would allow those posts in question to stand that you may have now since time has run since their first postings and you may have differant opinions now,then I could then post responses to any posts that you give here.
> To the readers:
> You could email me if you like concerning the aspects in thias situation that I think that if you do, you will be greatly satisfied as to what you will read from me and could IMO be of great benifit to your mental health.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/429282.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
>
Posted by 10derHeart on May 12, 2009, at 12:20:07
In reply to Lou's request for identification » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2009, at 11:26:57
No, thanks, Lou.
We have been here before.
I decline to participate in this discussion.
Please contact Dr.Bob.
Posted by verne on May 12, 2009, at 20:31:26
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing..., posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:32
leads to the circle of love.
verne
Posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 1:36:32
In reply to Redirected to PB Admin, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 21:25:03
No one did say attacking.. but I swear I saw it
That scares me.
Sorry Phillipa
Posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 1:36:33
In reply to Redirected to PB Admin, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 11, 2009, at 21:25:03
It was in "panic attacks" phillipas first post.
How on earth I transferred that.. I don't know.
Wal mart gave me panic attacks too.
I only went once.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 13, 2009, at 1:41:09
In reply to You're right Tenderheart)Sorry Phillipa, posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 1:36:32
Your willingness to post this is touching and admirable :-)
You are good people.
Don't be too scared, please or else I'll have to be, too, and Lord knows I'm already scared about too many other d**n things!! I do that all the time, what you did. Then I say to myself, "brain! what IS your problem and WHY are you betraying me?!!"
Really, I totally know how that happens. Probably helps I have an OC tendency to read things over and over and over...just to ummmm...check... Maybe it's sensory overload from living in our crazy world that makes us see what's not there and transpose stuff all over the place?
I figure we can help each other in the communication mindfield of message boards. After all, carefully seeing what it is posters *did* write is what Dr. Bob's NOT paying me for.... ;-)
And, even with lots of (hopefully) careful practice, I still mess up....
((gabbi))
Posted by Phillipa on May 13, 2009, at 13:30:10
In reply to Oh Gosh, posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 1:36:33
Gabbette everything is fine with me and you I hope. So you get them too. Comfort in numbers. Love Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2009, at 15:38:29
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing..., posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:32
henrietta,
You wrote,[...where this will lead to...]
In your opinion, where could be the logical destination that this will lead to?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2009, at 15:59:30
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing...10der, posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
henrietta, You wrote,[...this and other..policies...].
There is a situation that may be unbeknownst to you that I think that if we could have this in dialog somehow, you might be suprised concerning this situation that you describe here.
I think that if one knew of what I am referring to, that it could be good for their mental health. For those that could email me, I could show this to you. For those that can not, for one reason or another, I am open to suggestions as to other ways to share this infomation with you.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2009, at 15:59:59
In reply to Re: Thanks for apologizing...10der, posted by henrietta on May 11, 2009, at 21:24:33
henrietta, You wrote,[...this and other..policies...].
There is a situation that may be unbeknownst to you that I think that if we could have this in dialog somehow, you might be suprised concerning this situation that you describe here.
I think that if one knew of what I am referring to, that it could be good for their mental health. For those that could email me, I could show this to you. For those that can not, for one reason or another, I am open to suggestions as to other ways to share this infomation with you.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 22:18:25
In reply to Re: You're right Tenderheart)Sorry Phillipa » Gabbette, posted by 10derHeart on May 13, 2009, at 1:41:09
That was really nice.
Posted by Bobby on May 13, 2009, at 23:59:36
In reply to Thank you Tenderheart, and Phillipa, posted by Gabbette on May 13, 2009, at 22:18:25
I think I love everyone here----but I won't tolerate mean folks or be patronized without expressing the fact that I'm a loaded doormat. My favorite quote is also the shortest. Tavis Smiley was asked for a profound quote on the spot. His responce was profoundly simple--"Love wins."
Posted by Gabbette on May 14, 2009, at 16:10:12
In reply to A+ in conflict resolution, posted by Bobby on May 13, 2009, at 23:59:36
Bobby, I've always liked the quote "Love wins"
But it's been temporarily eclipsed by
"I'm a loaded doormat"
I think I would like that on a plaque.
This is the end of the thread.
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