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Posted by Toph on March 9, 2008, at 22:16:13
I'd be curious to see if anyone would share their prioritized list of values while participating on Psyco-Babble, not based on the ideal, but based on one's experience here. Then, below their list, speculate on what Bob's list of priorities might be.
(number 1 as highest through 10 lowest)
In no particular order:friendship
expression
civility
information
support
therapy
entertainment
experimentation
candor
control
Posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 0:26:35
In reply to Priorities, posted by Toph on March 9, 2008, at 22:16:13
I'm not sure if I undestand you Toph, but this is what is/has been important to me here, and therefore the arrangement would be.....
entertainment
friendship
expression
experimentation
candor
support
information
therapy
civility
control
Posted by karen_kay on March 10, 2008, at 11:51:15
In reply to Priorities, posted by Toph on March 9, 2008, at 22:16:13
you know, the way i found this place is through starting therapy and wanting to find info about all that stuff. and in the time i've been here, i've continued to be a part of this community for all of the reasons you listed, at varying degrees (well, except control. unless you're suggesting control over something in my own life? i suppose i can control whether someone has an uber sh*tty day by blsting them, but beyond that i don't really have any control over anythign here. and to be completely honest, i like a little bit of chaos on babble. hey, that makes for great tv folks :) so civility and control are very low on my continued reasons to post and sometimes hinder my posting ability, especially when i'm blocked!). when i first came here (oh dear, you started a rant!), i was seeking info, friendships, a place to share my experiences and get feedback. and now, i check babble religiously, out of habit. and i like to know how people here are doing, because i really do care about people here. but, unlike when i first started coming here, i'm starting to post less frequently, only when i feel the board needs a lift or when i need something. maybe that's just me though, with different priorities, a bit more stability, and a HUGE block waving over my head?
ok, here's my list:
expression
entertainment
friendship
candor
support
information
therapy
civility
experimentation
controlif i had to speculate what mister bob's list of values were this is what they'd be. however, my idea of civility and his i'm sure are very different, as are control, ect. honestly, i'm madly in love with mister bob and am raising his love child, so i have no beef with the man (other than the fact that he won't pay child support!!!), and i realize he started this community for a reason. and hey, at leat he's workign with us here! he did put those auto** thingies in, for those of us who lovie to swear, so we wouldn't get blocked, you know? but, here's the dr's list, as i see it:
experimentation (not like, 'oh, i'll disappear for a while and see what happens' experimentation either) geez, i'm going to justify each response now...
information (duh, this whole site is used to gather info, no? and he's got my bra size memorized!)
civility (while i'm not a big fan personally, of course this is a large priority! check how many times this word is used! plus, i can't say i would have stayed around as long as i have, if there weren't some sort of guidelines for civility.)
friendship (i know you aren't laughing! honesty, this is where i think it fits in. he may not say it, but i know he adores me! and i'm not overly confident :) honestly, i think he makes friends here, even if he doesn't outright say it. he wouldn't spend money to travel and see them, if he didn't would he? of course, i don't think he considers me his buddy, nor is he looking for friendships with this website, but i do think he genuinely cares about us (me more than others :), and these 4 are the highest values.)
expression (he did add 'now, it doesn't mean i don't like you' before the pbc, didn't he? see, he's working on it! things take time!)
control (i guess with rules comes control, but i don't think it's a priority for him. honestly, i don't.)
entertainment (i highly doubt most of this stuff is entertaining to him, you know? i can only hope he finds some of it entertainly. actually, i wonder what parts he would find entertaining? mister bob???? probably the meds page. actually, i bet he comes home from a long day at the office, drinks a bottle of wine, whiel reading the latest posts on the meds board, with reo speedwagon blasting in the background. hmm, maybe this should be number one?)
therapy (i only list this one higher than the rest because maybe it's therapuetic to block someone? i don't know? i can't see how any of this is therapuetic for him!)
support (ha. actually, he emails me daily for support!)
candor (wouldn't you really like to know what he's thinking? what if one day there was a block that read, 'actually, i don't really like you!'?)
that's really the way i see it, from his standpoint. honestly, i think he does a pretty kick *ss job. if i were in his position, could you imagine what this place would look like? (wipe that smile off yoru face toph! no more free pics for you!)
i oftentimes wonder if there's a poster on here, who's actually mister bob, just because he needs someplace to vent, because of this place, you know?
Posted by Phillipa on March 10, 2008, at 12:28:11
In reply to adult entertainment!!!, posted by karen_kay on March 10, 2008, at 11:51:15
I do too wonder if he posts under a different name. Phillipa
Posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 13:05:15
In reply to Re: Priorities » Toph, posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 0:26:35
Thanks you guys for trying. I wanted to wait so as not to influence anyone. Karen, you crack me up but I think you were actually serious. Anyway, for me, my Babble value list is:
expression
candor
support
entertainment
friendship
information
civility
control
experimentationFunny, for Bob, in my experience, it would be almost the opposite, with the possible exception that candor would be higher as he truely believes, I think, that his values are of paramount importance.
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:12:02
In reply to Re: Priorities, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 13:05:15
I orginally came here for information.
Information..got that.
Friendship..got some.
Support.....""""""""""""""".
Experimentation..a little of that.
Candor.......sometimes.
Freedom of expression....duh?
Entertainment......oh, yeah (kk, i'm looking at you!)
"Civility".....enforced too much and confusing beyond belief!The math of it just blows me away!I explained mine for the simple reason that Bob may read this thread.
Do I think that Bob understands my wants? No. I think that Bob disregards the needs of most posters because control of the forums is foremost in his world. (power)
And am I hopeful? No.
Posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 16:17:27
In reply to Re: Priorities » Toph, posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:12:02
Good title.
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:23:01
In reply to The mathematics of civility » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 16:17:27
Long sigh. Thanks, S.
Posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 17:08:50
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:23:01
Hi Pat,
I hope you are healthy and enjoying that fancy new old camera. Sad what is going on here. I'm surprised there haven't been more abandoment triggers (unless maybe that is what I'm reading above).
Posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 19:18:48
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 16:23:01
One of the problems with the way the maths works out is that anyone given a long block is placed on probation for life, with can be a standing incitement to throw themselves on the wire.
There will be those who say that is the point and that such posters can get out of it by good behaviour.
That may be so, but speaking personally, this community has lost a lot as a consequence.
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 20:40:18
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » fayeroe, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 17:08:50
Hey, Toph!
The camera is wonderful!! And, I found a forum of Voightlander lovers on the internet and I can get technical advice from them.I remember being blocked for 16 weeks and that ended any investment that I had had in Babble. I don't even remember what it was for and I probably deserved being reprimanded and it just added fuel to my flame concerning what I consider the idiocy of his math.
All of this stuff that is going on now really bothers me for the posters who call this their home.
I agree with a poster who stated that she thinks that he may be doing this while sitting back and watching it all go down. I have definitely had suspicions that he was doing that before.
It is sad......
Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 20:43:32
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility, posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 19:18:48
> One of the problems with the way the maths works out is that anyone given a long block is placed on probation for life, with can be a standing incitement to throw themselves on the wire.
>
> There will be those who say that is the point and that such posters can get out of it by good behaviour.
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> That may be so, but speaking personally, this community has lost a lot as a consequence.I completely agree with you. Being gone for awhile then coming back and reading everything that is posted out of pain/anger is pretty discouraging.
A loss of this magnitude for longtime posters definitely will have lasting consequences. I wonder if that has been considered at all by the administrator?
Posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 20:52:46
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility, posted by Sigismund on March 10, 2008, at 19:18:48
For me, Sig, no matter what form of mathematics is used, for a problem's solution to be the banishment of a support forum's member simply doesn't add up.
Posted by Sigismund on March 11, 2008, at 0:59:33
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Sigismund, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 20:52:46
It is not useually said that someone is 'barely friendly', but 'barely civil' is common enough, suggesting that civilty is a thin protective coating that does not impress us too much.
I have had quite uncivil encounters with at least one poster who subsequently became my friend.
What matters to me is the friendliness/unfriendliness thing.
People could just be blocked for a week or something if they have been really rude.
Although I do wonder if we (who?) crave the spectacle of posters throwing themselves on the wire followed by public banishment.
Posted by Toph on March 11, 2008, at 7:29:58
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Toph, posted by Sigismund on March 11, 2008, at 0:59:33
It just seems to me that he thinks he has created some clever formula like a mad scientist correcting a flawed rat yet when his simple presence can quell a chaotic classroom, he goes and gets a cup of coffee.
Posted by fayeroe on March 11, 2008, at 8:17:27
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Sigismund, posted by Toph on March 11, 2008, at 7:29:58
I've said it before and at the risk of boring you to death.....There have been times when I've pictured Bob sitting before his monitor, rubbing his hands together as he reads posts from people who are confused and hurt.
I know that my image is fairly over the top but perhaps I have become more than "jaded" concerning online support forums.
I've learned the hard way that "what you see is not what you get."
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2008, at 21:41:56
In reply to Re: The mathematics of civility » Sigismund, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 20:52:46
> for a problem's solution to be the banishment of a support forum's member simply doesn't add up.
I see a block by me as a last resort. It would be great if things could be prevented from getting to that point. I like the solutions that were posted later, which included reaching out to, supporting, calming, and reassuring other posters, diffusing a situation, and just not stirring the pot:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/819756.html
Bob
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