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Posted by Toph on May 20, 2007, at 20:48:05
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of Sqiggle's post, posted by Lou PIlder on May 20, 2007, at 20:30:42
> My feeling here is that if criteria are used to say that a person is of interest to be the hacker, that those criteria could be overiden by that the person falling under those criteria could also be of the nature that they would not do that.
>Hi Lou,
Trying to follow your logic here... are you saying that if Bob or the FBI uses some sort of probile to nab the hacker, could this profile be fallible? If that is what you are asking I say yes and hope some other technology definitively identifies the m*therfucker.
Toph
Posted by Squiggles on May 20, 2007, at 20:55:17
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of Sqiggle's post, posted by Toph on May 20, 2007, at 20:48:05
> Hi Lou,
> Trying to follow your logic here... are you saying that if Bob or the FBI uses some sort of probile to nab the hacker, could this profile be fallible? If that is what you are asking I say yes and hope some other technology definitively identifies the m*therfucker.
> Toph
Quick, i need another benzo: are you saying
that the FBI is fallible? C'est pas possible!Squiggles
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 20, 2007, at 20:58:53
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of Sqiggle's post, posted by Toph on May 20, 2007, at 20:48:05
> > My feeling here is that if criteria are used to say that a person is of interest to be the hacker, that those criteria could be overiden by that the person falling under those criteria could also be of the nature that they would not do that.
> >
>
> Hi Lou,
> Trying to follow your logic here... are you saying that if Bob or the FBI uses some sort of probile to nab the hacker, could this profile be fallible? If that is what you are asking I say yes and hope some other technology definitively identifies the m*therfucker.
> TophToph,
You wrote,[...{profile} be fallible?...other technology...]
You have stated that in a good way. What could be the other technology?
Lou
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 21, 2007, at 8:31:01
In reply to Re: Thank you Dr Bob, posted by Squiggles on May 20, 2007, at 14:43:07
> I'm glad things are working, and hope
> it doesn't happen again.Me, too!
> A friend of mine said that using Linux might protect you more than using Microsoft.
Who uses Microsoft? :-)
Bob
Posted by LadyBug on May 21, 2007, at 11:13:11
In reply to Re: Thank you Dr Bob, posted by Squiggles on May 20, 2007, at 14:43:07
Thanks, Dr. Bob I've missed the site a lot!
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 21, 2007, at 12:17:40
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Dr. Bob on May 21, 2007, at 8:31:01
Nah, Bob prob uses UNIX on his servers -- I think most establishments do these days anyway apparently (I'm no computer geek although alot of my friends are!)
And Dr Bob has a mac anyway so....
Anyway Linux was developed by a fellow countryman, ie he is from Finland!
And its opensource so I'm not entirely sure how that will protect you from an attack being that anyone can see and edit the code. Although I'm told its very good, no viruses blah blah but if Bob has a mac anyway, I doubt he uses Linux.....
Opesource software, is apparently the future!
Kind regards
Meri
PS and no, I'm not the hacker!
Posted by Squiggles on May 21, 2007, at 12:23:03
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 21, 2007, at 12:17:40
OK - i'll pass that on.
Posted by Klavot on May 21, 2007, at 12:32:29
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 21, 2007, at 12:17:40
> And its opensource so I'm not entirely sure how that will protect you from an attack being that anyone can see and edit the code.
That's the beauty of it. Anyone can examine the code with the result that thousands of very smart people from around the world point out possible security weaknesses in the operating system, and these are then corrected. Only the official kernel developers edit the release code, so hackers cannot slip in malignant code, although you are free to change the kernel code running on your own machine, if you are so inclined.
I run Linux on my one computer and it is wonderful not to have to run antivirus software on it, which tends to drain system resources.
Klavot
Posted by Racer on May 21, 2007, at 12:43:15
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 21, 2007, at 12:17:40
>
> Anyway Linux was developed by a fellow countryman, ie he is from Finland!
>The real reason to like Linus Thorvald, though, isn't just that he's a Finn. It's because he chose the penguin as a symbol for Linux because he was attacked by Fairy Penguins in Oz! Apparently he was so stunned by these tiny penguins attacking him that he decided they had to be the symbol of his tiny O/S.
I just love that image. Thought I'd share some of the trivia that clogs my brain at any given moment...
Posted by Squiggles on May 21, 2007, at 12:55:23
In reply to But the real reason to like him is... » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Racer on May 21, 2007, at 12:43:15
Let's see, if i can remember my friend's books-- O'Reilly-- have the most wonderful covers of eccentric animals.
Is it just my impression, or is Scandinavia disproportionately full of geeks in comparison
to other countries? Maybe the darkness? I was looking at position possibilities and for the really high IT[?] jobs, there are many of them in those countries.Squiggles
Posted by slinky on May 21, 2007, at 15:15:56
In reply to Re: fixed things, posted by Dr. Bob on May 20, 2007, at 7:33:09
Bob,
You've given me the worlds strangest hard to remember password..I can live with it -if I can remember it.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 21, 2007, at 15:33:12
In reply to Re: fixed things, posted by slinky on May 21, 2007, at 15:15:56
Ah, but those are the very best kind....properly, randomly generated nonsense....beautiful! (yeah...my geekiness is showing)
But you can change it if you like, slinky..just go here:
https://dr-bob.securesites.com/cgi-bin/pb/signup.pl
Update your registration and it will ask you for a new one....:-)
happy passwording - I hate trying to think up new ones!
Posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 21, 2007, at 23:57:34
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Dr. Bob on May 21, 2007, at 8:31:01
> > A friend of mine said that using Linux might protect you more than using Microsoft.
>
> Who uses Microsoft? :-)
>
> BobExactly what does that mean? Is it intended to suggest that a person so diminishes their humanity by using the wrong brand of software that they are no longer recognizable as persons to a licensed psychiatrist? Since any educated adult knows a significant portion of all computer users use Microsoft, most rational educated readers would conclude a statement denying the existance of those users might be an attempt to dehumanize, or to *put down* Microsoft users. Or is it one of those "just kidding" situations where the bully redoubles their attack against anyone who refuses to go along with the insulting joke?
This is nothing new. Harrassment and ridicule of Microsoft users has been a binding group ritual among computer enthusiasts with less market power for more than a decade. Building one's peer group by insulting a convenient outgroup is about the oldest group-building trick in the book. But is Robert Hsiung going to apologize for insulting most computer users? No. He will more likely insult me twice by calling me incivil for confronting his scatter-gun insult. He will probably abuse his medical prestige by challenging my ability to test reality, which in this case requires sorting obvious insults from constructive rhetoric.
Apologize or continue your abusive behavior. It's your choice, doc. I'm really concerned if you still don't get it, that we can see insults just as well as you or better, but that you let yourself insult people on your board, but attack us when we do the same, well, I'm afraid maybe you will never get it.
Posted by Deneb on May 22, 2007, at 9:58:49
In reply to I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » Dr. Bob, posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 21, 2007, at 23:57:34
Dr. Bob, I agree with MicrosoftCustomer.
Maybe you should PBC yourself Bob?
((((Dr. Bob)))) This doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
Deneb*
Posted by Deneb on May 22, 2007, at 10:30:15
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny?, posted by Deneb on May 22, 2007, at 9:58:49
Sorry Dr. Bob, I don't agree with everything MicrosoftCustomer said, just the part about putting down others, but I should have used the "report a post" button instead of agreeing on this thread.
((((Dr. Bob))))) u know I love u
Don't want to hurt your feelings.
Deneb*
Posted by karen_kay on May 22, 2007, at 12:08:32
In reply to I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » Dr. Bob, posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 21, 2007, at 23:57:34
is mister bob not allowed to make a joke now?
goodness gracious great balls of fire, i think it's nice to see a side of mister bob we almost never see. especially considering everything the poor dear has been through in the past week.
(mister bob with a sense of humor)))) <----- one handed hug, because i have a smoke and wouldn't want to catch him on fire.
gosh, guess now he'll crawl back into his shell like usual.
kk, who has a sense of humor and supports mister bob's
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 22, 2007, at 13:18:30
In reply to I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » Dr. Bob, posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 21, 2007, at 23:57:34
The fact is, anyone who runs a server and wants it secure ~doesn't~ run microsoft. I didn't see his answer meaning home users.
And thats what I took him to mean.
Nikki
Posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 22, 2007, at 14:19:31
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » MicrosoftCustomer, posted by NikkiT2 on May 22, 2007, at 13:18:30
> The fact is, anyone who runs a server and wants it secure ~doesn't~ run microsoft. I didn't see his answer meaning home users.
>
> And thats what I took him to mean.
>
> NikkiMicrosoft has a major share of the server market, which would indicate that claims asserting "nobody" uses Microsoft or that "anyone who runs a server and wants it secure ~doesn't~ run microsoft" uses another brand are consistent with available facts.
I wonder what is less "civil" in Mr. Hsiung's mind:
* to call into question the existence, intelligence and credibility of millions of Microsoft product users, or
* to assert asserting that such customers are in fact human, rational, intelligent and in control of their choices to select a particularly reputable product whose users' intelligence is routinely called into question by a vocal minority of users of other brands.The answer, read literally, questions the reputability of anyone who uses Microsoft, including home users and business users. I don't *feel* put down when someone insults my careful product selection -- instead I *know* that statements which question the credibility of others whose credibility is well established tend to rhetorically demean the credibility of those others. It doesn't matter how I feel about it. What matters is reality, which in this case is a matter of taking at face value statements that attempt to diminish the credibility of others.
Posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 22, 2007, at 14:24:26
In reply to oh goodness.... » MicrosoftCustomer, posted by karen_kay on May 22, 2007, at 12:08:32
> is mister bob not allowed to make a joke now?
>He is certainly allowed -- unless Microsoft decides to defend their reputation in court. The question is whether we are allowed to his expose statements made at others expense, especially in view of his intensive effort to require people here not to make jokes at the expense of others.
> goodness gracious great balls of fire, i think it's nice to see a side of mister bob we almost never see. especially considering everything the poor dear has been through in the past week.
He was victimized so he gets a free shot at somebody? I think it is revealing too, to see him overtly questioning the credibility of an entire group of people. I suspect it's not the first time. I'm not sure I classify that as nice.
Posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 22, 2007, at 14:27:18
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny?, posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 22, 2007, at 14:19:31
> Microsoft has a major share of the server market, which would indicate that claims asserting "nobody" uses Microsoft or that "anyone who runs a server and wants it secure ~doesn't~ run microsoft" uses another brand are ***NOT*** consistent with available facts.
Posted by All Done on May 22, 2007, at 14:30:21
In reply to I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » Dr. Bob, posted by MicrosoftCustomer on May 21, 2007, at 23:57:34
I haven't read all the posts, but I took Dr. Bob's reply as "who said *I* use Microsoft?"
Posted by Squiggles on May 22, 2007, at 14:40:53
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » MicrosoftCustomer, posted by All Done on May 22, 2007, at 14:30:21
I'm sorry i even mentioned Microsoft versus
Linux. I have absolutely no idea what is what
in servers. I can't even fix my Yahoo configuration on account of the ancient computer i am using. To me it just looks like a high-tech discussion. I'm sorry i brought it up.What i would really like to know is whether anyone knows who the hackers were and if it was an intentional hit on this website.
Squiggles
Posted by Klavot on May 22, 2007, at 15:30:14
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny?, posted by Squiggles on May 22, 2007, at 14:40:53
Obviously there is nothing wrong with people who run Microsoft software. Well over 90 % of computer users run Microsoft software. Microsoft makes a lot of great products. I run both Microsoft and GNU/Linux software. To be honest, Linux is largely the domain of geekdom :) Though it is an objective fact that both Linux and Mac OS are more stable and secure than Windows, by various objective measures. I'm sorry, but that's just the reality.
One measure of Linux's technical superiority is the number of the world's 500 fastest supercomputers that run Linux:
Operating system family *** Count *** Share %
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Linux ------------------------ 376 ---- 75.20 %
Unix -------------------------- 86 ---- 17.20 %
BSD Based -------------------- 3 ----- 0.60 %
Mixed ------------------------ 32 ----- 6.40 %
Mac OS ----------------------- 3 ----- 0.60 %(see http://www.top500.org/stats/28/osfam/ ).
Klavot
Posted by sdb on May 22, 2007, at 18:30:06
In reply to Re: glad things are working, posted by Dr. Bob on May 21, 2007, at 8:31:01
> > I'm glad things are working, and hope
> > it doesn't happen again.
>
> Me, too!
>
> > A friend of mine said that using Linux might protect you more than using Microsoft.
>
> Who uses Microsoft? :-)
>
> BobThat's an easy question. Many people probably?
Posted by Phillipa on May 22, 2007, at 19:38:55
In reply to Re: I use Microsoft. What's so funny? » MicrosoftCustomer, posted by All Done on May 22, 2007, at 14:30:21
Me too same interrpretation. Love Phillipa
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