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Posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
In reply to Re: Walk a mile in a deputy's shoes » Happyflower, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 16:58:23
Since I've seen it come up in a couple of posts, I'll share with you *why* I have opted *not* to offer any official correction to this thread. It's pretty simple:
Dr Bob has made it pretty clear, at least to deputies, that he has somewhat more lenient standards of civility when it comes to criticism directed at him. That being the case, and this one falling short of what I would consider blatant incivility, I chose to leave this for Dr Bob to address himself.
I speak only for myself, not for any fellow deputies. I'm not sure whether this is a communication from Racer the Deputy, or Racer the Poster, so I won't try to figure that part out.
I would like to mention, though, that if I see anything blatantly uncivil, in this thread or any other directed towards Dr Bob, I will take action. This isn't open season here, so no big guns. You can take photographs, though, which is how I see this one...
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 18:39:16
In reply to Deputy action on this thread, posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
You have spoken well for me too.
Thank you.
Posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
In reply to Deputy action on this thread, posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
G#d, this is hysterical. LOL.. ROTFL. What a JOKE. Addressed to Racer, GG, and Dinah.
And whatsername. Own up, examine yerselves.
Emotional child abuse equals abuse of power.
Some victims identify with the abuser, and try to curry favor with the abuser, aim to emulate the abuser of power.
Some cry BULLY as they continue to subtly bully others. Some cry NARCISIST as they exhibit blatantly narcissistic behavior. Some play the "I'm not touching you game" as they accuse others of torturing them with the "I'm not touching you game".
I think, however, it's healthy that our deputies are trying to break out of this cycle----I think it's healthy that deputies are recognizing some stuff many of us have been objecting to for a number of years. I do think, as well, that no deputy should presume to issue admonitions of any kind to other posters until this has been addressed. Recuse yourselves. If you won't issue PCB s to fellow deputies when they are obivously warranted by "site guidelines", then how do you have the ethical authority to issue them to anyone else?
On a site like this, where so many people have been the victims of the abuse of power, how can any of you in good conscience continue to support the administration's "guidelines" while you, yourselves, simultaneously enforce and controvert them? Where is integrity? Where is good faith? What are you thinking?
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 20:41:37
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
Was that actually easier to type than whatsername's actual name, whoever whatsername might be? Please, don't put yourself out dear. Use whatever epithets (as in Merriam-Webster's definition 1a) you find easiest.
gg
Posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 20:49:37
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
FWIW, I think that people, sometimes, left to their own devices, will tear each other to bits.
And for what?
Maybe there's been unfairness.
Escalating blocks were unfair.
Maybe sometimes there is a group psychology that can make it hard for people to see clearly.But to suggest thst deputies are operating in bad faith seems over the top to me.
Posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:04:06
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread, posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 20:49:37
>FWIW, I think that people, sometimes, left to their own devices, will tear each other to bits.
So would it be ethical to stand by, watch, and do nothing?
Q
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:48
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
> Some cry BULLY as they continue to subtly bully others. Some cry NARCISIST as they exhibit blatantly narcissistic behavior. Some play the "I'm not touching you game" as they accuse others of torturing them with the "I'm not touching you game".
You've been asked to be civil before, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:56
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Declan, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:04:06
No, that's why I posted....because I did not feel that Henrietta's post was helpful.
You're up late.
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:31:11
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Quintal, posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:56
> No, that's why I posted....because I did not feel that Henrietta's post was helpful.
Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings.
FWIW, I think everyone, in their own way, is trying to be helpful. It's just that different people have different ideas of what is needed.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:31:59
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Quintal, posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:56
Good for you Declan.
Q
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:35:33
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Declan, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:31:59
This is a question only. So the last time I read a post of Bob's was when he was going to Texas and wanted to meet for coffee and fae couldn't go? Thanks Phillipa ps a long time ago.
Posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:42:49
In reply to ReQestion, posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:35:33
Dr. Bob posted on the Admin board on the 1st and 7th of this month, yet apparently did not speak to his deputies. This is what the thread is about as far as I know.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070423/msgs/754861.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070423/msgs/756470.htmlQ
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:45:17
In reply to ReQestion, posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:35:33
No, he posted on top of this board.
And I've received a few emails from him.
I believe he's trying to head in this direction, and he is aware of this thread.
I hope that puts people's minds at rest a bit. It does mine. :)
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:45:44
In reply to Re: ReQestion » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:42:49
Quintal yes and then he went off on some long explanation of all these support groups mostly on Cancer. Wonder why? Love Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 21:47:01
In reply to ReQestion, posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:35:33
> This is a question only. So the last time I read a post of Bob's was when he was going to Texas and wanted to meet for coffee and fae couldn't go? Thanks Phillipa ps a long time ago.
i opted for a reception with Ann Margaret and Quentin Tarrentino..........:-)
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:47:31
In reply to Re: ReQestion » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:45:17
Well I'll look and wait til he gets here he will not believe it. Love Phillipa thanks for the heads up.
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 21:52:06
In reply to Re: ReQestion, posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 21:47:01
I remember. Love Phillipa
Posted by karen_kay on May 9, 2007, at 21:58:21
In reply to Re: ReQestion, posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 21:47:01
will you marry me.... and make certain i'm in grindhouse 2?
oh, pretty please?
now, i'm being as serious as my name is kk. i'll take you to see les claypool with me. promise!
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 22:34:02
In reply to Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:08:27
My therapist would give you a big grin, gg.
Maybe I should send *you* some bodhi tree seeds. :)
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 22:35:09
In reply to Absa-....- lutely ;) » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 22:34:02
I was referring to freedom, nothing else.
Posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 23:16:48
In reply to just one question... » fayeroe, posted by karen_kay on May 9, 2007, at 21:58:21
> will you marry me.... and make certain i'm in grindhouse 2?
>
> oh, pretty please?
>
> now, i'm being as serious as my name is kk. i'll take you to see les claypool with me. promise!only if i get to make out with les claypool!!!(not to hurt YOUR feelings or anything, but it is les claypool we're talking about)
Posted by greywolf on May 10, 2007, at 5:45:28
In reply to Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by gardenergirl on May 8, 2007, at 19:35:40
C'mon. I'm all in favor of being careful with the rules, and I've repeatedly spoken out in support of the deputies who, imho, are doing a fine job overall.
But where did this "more leniency for incivility to Dr. Bob" standard come from? This is "civil" within the context of the site's rules?:
"How absolutely shameful and self-centered.
(Belated note to self: Duh! Why in the world would someone with this personality type give a rat's *ss? Rolls eyes and shakes head at the rampant idealism.)
It's true this is finger-pointing and accusing. There is no hedging or compassion for whatever internal state is driving the narcissism."
So, calling Dr. Bob out as a shameful and self-centered narcissist is not uncivil? In comparison to so many PBCs I've seen, that's remarkable. While Dr. Bob might be more tolerant of criticism directed toward him, does such forbearance justify intentionally demeaning character attacks?
Civility is civility, end of story. The standards should not be variable.
Greywolf
Posted by karen_kay on May 10, 2007, at 6:09:13
In reply to Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by greywolf on May 10, 2007, at 5:45:28
some very nasty things long ago (as an attempt to be blocked) with no results. i don't believe i was even asked to be civil. it took me telling miss gabbs to f off before getting that block i so needed.
perhaps it's always been that way. and that's when he was on the boards quite often. perhaps he likes attention? i'd find the post, but i'm lazy. but, i think it's been that way. he seems to not care when people are reffering to him.
Posted by tofuemmy on May 10, 2007, at 6:30:03
In reply to Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by greywolf on May 10, 2007, at 5:45:28
I don't think GG believes what she said is civil. I think she just became so irked, she doesn't currently care if she is blocked or not. Been there. Done that.
In the old days, Bob was open game. We could vent on him without penalty. It was quite cathartic. At some point (a couple years ago I think), he musta gotten fed up and did start blocking people for being uncivil towards him.
I think the current deputies are waiting for Bob to decide what to do about this issue. Historically he has seemed to want to be "The Decider" in new or unusual situations.
em
Posted by fayeroe on May 10, 2007, at 8:09:08
In reply to Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by greywolf on May 10, 2007, at 5:45:28
> C'mon. I'm all in favor of being careful with the rules, and I've repeatedly spoken out in support of the deputies who, imho, are doing a fine job overall.
>
> But where did this "more leniency for incivility to Dr. Bob" standard come from? This is "civil" within the context of the site's rules?:after all of the years of Bob not being CIVIL to the posters/deputies, by too many examples that i care to list for you here, i think GG can say whatever the hell she wants to about and for him. i've been here longer than you and seen so mighty strange deals that he's pulled.
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> "How absolutely shameful and self-centered.how shameful and self-centered is it to answer an unwitting and vulnerable poster's serious question with a question?
>
> (Belated note to self: Duh! Why in the world would someone with this personality type give a rat's *ss? Rolls eyes and shakes head at the rampant idealism.)
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> It's true this is finger-pointing and accusing. There is no hedging or compassion for whatever internal state is driving the narcissism."we can't see Bob's hands. maybe he points fingers too.
>
> So, calling Dr. Bob out as a shameful and self-centered narcissist is not uncivil? In comparison to so many PBCs I've seen, that's remarkable. While Dr. Bob might be more tolerant of criticism directed toward him, does such forbearance justify intentionally demeaning character attacks?i've seen worse here.............
>
> Civility is civility, end of story. The standards should not be variable.and history is history.
fayeroe
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