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Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:42:53
In reply to Well said dear :-) (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by Quintal on May 8, 2007, at 21:06:12
Thanks. I'm reminded of something you said in a babblemail awhile back (regarding expression) that I disagreed with. I'm not so inclined to disagree now, apparently. Freedom feels pretty darned good, actually. :)
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:52:56
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 8, 2007, at 21:33:56
> As per usual, I had my 2 cents to add to GG's superlative job on this post:
Thanks.
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> > Dr. Bob,
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> > You've never asked the deputies to "hold down the fort" indefinitely.
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> You just leave indefinitely without notice.Yep. Though for awhile it reminded me of how my husband described government work: "Two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks." Always two weeks more. Never ending.
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> > You've not provided the deputies with adequate tools and resources to do so. ...
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> Hello! Crises on chat! ISP provider information!Or even, gee how 'bout I handle these few specific things that currently you don't have the resources to do. And y'all work on what you do have resources to handle. Just email me with these specific requests. That certainly couldn't take that much time, could it? Of course, that would require trust in the deputies ability to decide what they need help with and what they can handle on their own. Shyeah.
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> > You have done little to make up for the giant deficit of support for the deputies while continuing to rack up a greater "support debt".
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> Is there a repayment plan in place to spread the load amongst the staff of deputies? Hmmm.... thought not.lol
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> > ... This is how you prioritize your time?
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> Would you care for some input as to what issues require highest priority? Because I am good at filing, you know, a soul of a secretary I always say, and can quickly sort out your What's Hot and What Not piles. Unrelated to your personal preference, you understand.You are good at that, and you know what? That would be so helpful, don't you think? Wouldn't it be nice for someone to have a "punch list", so to speak, prepared for them if they've got way too much to sift through? Of course, that would require placing trust in the preparer and giving up some degree of "control". Can't have that!!
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> > How absolutely shameful and self-centered.
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> I'm afraid so.
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> > (Belated note to self: Duh! Why in the world would someone with this personality type give a rat's *ss? Rolls eyes and shakes head at the rampant idealism.)
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> I fervently join you in the rolling of mine own eyes and shaking of head.Thanks. Hope it doesn't exacerbate the headache. :(
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> > It's true this is finger-pointing and accusing. There is no hedging or compassion for whatever internal state is driving the narcissism. There are, with intention, no "I" statements in this post, because it's all about you and your behavior, Dr. Bob. This behavior speaks volumes about what and who you value.
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> ...AND, IT"S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY SPOKE ALOUD ABOUT IT. Thank you so very much, GG.You're welcome. Next show at 11:00. Please be sure to tip your servers. ;)
Thanks for your support, sp. It means a great deal.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:54:01
In reply to 100% agreed. thank you gg. (nm), posted by wishingstar on May 8, 2007, at 21:57:21
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:55:11
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by fayeroe on May 8, 2007, at 21:57:26
I hope the weather has let up. It sounds like it's been very scary for those in the path of the storms.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:04:08
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by Happyflower on May 8, 2007, at 23:00:18
> I am sure he is doing the best he can. This isn't his real job, so maybe things in his real life needs him more than here.
I have no doubt he's got other more pressing issues, and I can certainly relate to that. I also have no doubt he's doing the best he can, though it's not enough. And I have no doubt that he is and has been taking advantage of the deputies, which is bad behavior and frankly, feels like sh*t.
> Babble seems to be working fine on its own. Not much has changed.
It would depend on how you define "working fine." Dinah and Racer are working their *sses off to keep things going and to try to keep things unchanged. This takes a toll. I don't know if I could adequately explain the costs, but they are real, and they are additive, and they are pretty much unacknowledged.
I can't tell you how much that sucks, though I've been trying.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:05:52
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by Deneb on May 8, 2007, at 23:06:10
Having someone's love is a gift. It's touching you are generous with your love, Deneb. You're very sweet.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:08:27
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:05:52
Posted by one woman cine on May 9, 2007, at 9:57:38
In reply to Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by gardenergirl on May 8, 2007, at 19:35:40
In my recent experience with Babble, more value has been placed on google-ability & keyword searches within posts -
with little value placed on me or my safety IRL.
It's really sad -
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 12:24:39
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:04:08
Gardengirl,
If you really want to help with the load of the deputies, why not come off leave? If they are suffering that bad, I would do it if I could.
I realize you are frusterated with Dr. Bob, but saying he has a personlity disorder probably won't help much. Actually if I felt that strongly about Dr. Bob, I wouldn't want to be a deputy for him. So maybe you are better off staying on leave even if Dinah, and Racer need you.
As far as what I am frusterated with about the boards, I was told by a deputy that we are not longer allowed to post about it, that it had to be done directly with Dr. Bob.
I believe we need less admin anyways the way rules are enforced. We either need more supervision, but everyone being treated fairly no matter who they are, or we need less admin. actions. IMHO
Posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
In reply to Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:08:27
GG, are you still on unpaid deputy leave?
sp
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 12:49:45
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
Sorry I promised but I knew something was going on and I will help in any way I can. I don't know how to redirect and haven't seen one in ages. Has anyone else. I could have missed them? Good for you gg to speak your peace. Love Phillipa
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 9, 2007, at 12:54:00
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
I think we all understand that Bob sometimes needs time away.. has more pressing issues, or simply needs a break.
BUT, he has to communicate this - atleast to his deputies.
Even I am feeling annoyed at his lack of action around here. Its simply not professional behaviour at the very least, and I find it ethically dangerous.
Nikki
Posted by Deneb on May 9, 2007, at 13:11:08
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:05:52
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 12:24:39
> If you really want to help with the load of the deputies, why not come off leave?I haven't been writing about "helping with the load" of the deputies. I've been writing about shabby treatment. It's this treatment that has contributed to the load. Me coming off leave, even if it were the right thing to do for me at this point in time, would do nothing to change that condition.
> I realize you are frustrated with Dr. Bob, but saying he has a personlity disorder probably won't help much.
Thanks for that tip. I'll be sure to continue to avoid doing that.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:19:08
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
Intangible benefits, of course. But bennies all the same. :)
Posted by one woman cine on May 9, 2007, at 13:22:25
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
If he was a sociopath, he'd have a huge mess on his hands!!!
I hope the deputies, past and present, find some respite...
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:23:44
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » scratchpad, posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 12:49:45
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 14:01:51
In reply to communication is all it needs, posted by NikkiT2 on May 9, 2007, at 12:54:00
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
I understand what you are saying. I just question the "shabby treatment". What does the deputies want to do that they can't do now? I guess I don't know all that deputies do, except issue warnings, blocks and redirect posts. Maybe their is more to it than that, I just don't know. But Bob not being here, I don't see what it really matters, when he is here, he isn't here that much anyways. (I can't believe I am defending Dr. Bob). I understand that you are frusterated as heck, but I am just surprised about what you are saying about Dr. BOb. BUt then again I have said a lot of things too.
But isn't coming on here and talking negatively about administation and Dr. Bob, against the rules, and it is forcing even more pressure on the duputies on what to do with your posts? Do they support you or apply the rules the same as they would do to anyone? I know I wouldn't want to be put in the position of enforcing rules against my friends, for whatever their reasons, even if they are right.
You do have some valid points I see that, but wouldn't it be better to talk about this privately with Dr. Bob? I am just thinking he is having a family emergencey and wouldn't it feel really bad to come back and see this stuff written about himself? I am sure he isn't doing this on purpose. Maybe he is in the hopital himself? This isn't like Dr. BOb, and I am sure there is something going on with him that is serious. I have been only on this site for 2 years, but I have never seen him do anything like this, so I am think it rare, although stressful, I am sure he isn't trying to make the deputies upset.
I also question him being a narraissit. When I met him, I couldn't get him to say ANY thing about himself.
Posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 15:47:37
In reply to Thanks » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:55:11
> I hope the weather has let up. It sounds like it's been very scary for those in the path of the storms.
my kids were huddled in a closet, downstairs, in their house for hours last night. it appears that we're in for a really bad tornado season. one hit Lockhart about four weeks ago. but it was south of where my house is. pat
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> gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 15:49:40
In reply to Re: Thanks » gardenergirl, posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 15:47:37
Posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 15:56:57
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 16:15:49
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
> I understand what you are saying. I just question the "shabby treatment".
I would imagine that it's in the eye of the beholder or in this case, the treated.
> But isn't coming on here and talking negatively about administation and Dr. Bob, against the rules, and it is forcing even more pressure on the duputies on what to do with your posts?
I'm not talking about the administration. I'm talking about Dr. Bob. It's true, he might feel accused and put down by my words. There's nothing here that I haven't already told him privately multiple times. I wrote what I did the way I did with intention. I believe my post came across exactly as I intended. I'm aware that it might not be civil, and I'm prepared for and will be accepting of whatever consequences come my way. I've told the deputies that I'm okay with any action they might feel is necessary, though I acknowledge it might feel tricky for them.
> Do they support you or apply the rules the same as they would do to anyone?
These are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
> I know I wouldn't want to be put in the position of enforcing rules against my friends, for whatever their reasons, even if they are right.
That's an important thing for potential deputy candidates to consider, because it can and does happen. I'd quibble on the use of "put in" a situation, but that's not really the point.
> I am sure he isn't trying to make the deputies upset.
I agree. If he were trying to make people upset, that would make him sadistic.
> I also question him being a narraissit. When I met him, I couldn't get him to say ANY thing about himself.
Happy, there are personality traits we all have, and then there are clinical personality problems. We all have some degree of narcissism. It's a scalable trait. In fact, a healthy degree of narcissism is pretty much crucial for healthy functioning. The terms "narcissist" or NPD are clinical concepts and are a different animals altogether from talking about a trait. I have to stress again that I've not labeled Dr. Bob with any clinical term. Rather, I've at times described his behavior as narcissistic and/or coming from a narcissistic drive. This may seem picayune, but I want to be very very clear about what I'm saying and what I'm *not* saying. It would be inappropriate for me or anyone else to label someone diagnostically from afar and in the absence of a clinical assessment. I'd like to avoid feeling accused of doing so, particularly when I'm not.
gg
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 16:30:02
In reply to Walk a mile in a deputy's shoes (nm) » Happyflower, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 15:56:57
I am not saying I know what it is to be in your shoes. Actually in my post I said that I don't know everything that deputies do. I am not saying that deputies have anything not to be stressed about. Some of us regular posters have felt the same way when our issues have been ignored. We are in this together. It just seems to me that we should come together in times like this.
All I know is I doubt Dr. BOb is purposely trying to do anything to anyone, and maybe he deserves a break. Maybe he is on his death bed,mabye in a mental hospital, or someone in his family is in the hospital, and can't get in touch with the deputies. I think it would be best to find out what is going before he gets upset about what is being said about him and closing down this site for good.
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 16:36:20
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 16:15:49
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