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Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:49:08
In reply to Thanks for the opening--I am taking a leave, posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 17:29:58
For all the time you've put into Babble. I know how time consuming it can be, and I suspect it's part of the reason I'm always having trouble with my time management.
You're terrific, you know, and I'll miss you terribly. But I certainly understand. The very best of luck with your goals, and kudos to you for putting your priorities where you need them to be.
And don't forget to stay in touch when you're away (if you have the time). I promise not to talk Babble, no matter how much I value your advice and perspective. :)
(((gg)))
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:07:00
In reply to Thank you, gg » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:49:08
Nobody asked but this just reenforces my suspicions that babble will soon be a thing of the past. When Dr. Bob went to Texas that was the last time I saw him around. Too much responsibility for a few Deputies. GG I will miss you. Bobby are you volunteering? Love Phillipa
Posted by TexasChic on April 22, 2007, at 21:31:14
In reply to Re: Well, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:07:00
Oh, I don't think this is the end of babble! Its always been an up and down thing. I don't know where Bob is, but he certainly can't spend his whole life here. And if a hard spell means the need for a break for a deputy or poster, that's just a way to deal with things. Taking a break when you need it is better than staying until you burn completely out. Don't despair, negativity breeds negativity. We just have to stay positive and move past it. I for one am not going anywhere.
-T
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:53:05
In reply to Re: Well, posted by TexasChic on April 22, 2007, at 21:31:14
T glad to hear it. Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 22:02:44
In reply to What will happen to Babble..., posted by tofuemmy on April 22, 2007, at 12:48:49
> ...when all the deputies go on break or quit? How many insults are they expected to tolerate before their own mental health suffers? Clearly that is already happening.
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> Personally, for their sake, I DO hope they all quit. Of course, I don't give a flip about Babble - except that it helps some of my friends. I worry about what would happen to them if Babble disappeared due to an Admin who wants out, and deputies who give up.
>
> Emmy
After some thought I decided to post on this thread afterall. I'd like to clarify that the motive behind my 'If I Had a Hammer' thread above was not an oblique attack on the deputies and their supporters, it was to raise awareness of the possibility that *we all, right now* may be the unwitting participants of a virtual/online version of the Stanford Prison/Milgram experiments. If so, what I *was* obliquely referring to was that it might be high time to blow the whistle and end the experiment? It's patently clear that people are now getting hurt and emotionally traumatized by the experience (many who were vulnerable and emotionally frail to begin with I might add), and I think it's time to end it.Q
Posted by Racer on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:06
In reply to Re: Well, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:07:00
> Nobody asked but this just reenforces my suspicions that babble will soon be a thing of the past.
When I first came to Babble, Bob interacted much more with posters. These days, he stays out of it, except for administrative duties. His presence or absence on the boards really isn't the point, is it? The point is the support and education we provide for one another. That's what Babble is about.
Babble won't end, just because Bob is away for a few weeks. In fact, Babble wouldn't necessarily end if Bob decided to hand it off entirely to someone else. This is a peer support board, not a cult of personality.
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 23:01:33
In reply to I think this is premature » Phillipa, posted by Racer on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:06
Racer not so sure anymore it has changed. The people I e-mail don't come here because of that. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 23:02:50
In reply to I think this is premature » Phillipa, posted by Racer on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:06
Oh this is my last response to any admin threads . I don't like it on this board too scarey. Love Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on April 22, 2007, at 23:16:52
In reply to Re: What will happen to Babble..., posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 22:02:44
> > ...when all the deputies go on break or quit? How many insults are they expected to tolerate before their own mental health suffers? Clearly that is already happening.
> >
> > Personally, for their sake, I DO hope they all quit. Of course, I don't give a flip about Babble - except that it helps some of my friends. I worry about what would happen to them if Babble disappeared due to an Admin who wants out, and deputies who give up.
> >
> > Emmy
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>
> After some thought I decided to post on this thread afterall. I'd like to clarify that the motive behind my 'If I Had a Hammer' thread above was not an oblique attack on the deputies and their supporters, it was to raise awareness of the possibility that *we all, right now* may be the unwitting participants of a virtual/online version of the Stanford Prison/Milgram experiments. If so, what I *was* obliquely referring to was that it might be high time to blow the whistle and end the experiment? It's patently clear that people are now getting hurt and emotionally traumatized by the experience (many who were vulnerable and emotionally frail to begin with I might add), and I think it's time to end it.i understood exactly what you were saying, Quintal................pat
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> Q
Posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 23:49:27
In reply to I think this is premature » Phillipa, posted by Racer on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:06
"Babble won't end, just because Bob is away for a few weeks. In fact, Babble wouldn't necessarily end if Bob decided to hand it off entirely to someone else. This is a peer support board, not a cult of personality."
Right. I am on lists that have existed since the 1980's, where ownership and/or moderation has been passed through many different people. On one list we lost both the hosting server and the list owner, when the college could no longer offer hosting and the owner did not have enough time to continue. So the list members bought the domain
and found another org to host it.
Posted by Quintal on April 23, 2007, at 2:44:24
In reply to Re: I think this is premature, posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 23:49:27
I think the problem isn't so much one of a personality cult, rather that Dr. Bob still holds authority as chief administrator and supervisor of the deputies. I assumed (possibly wrongly) that wherever he is in the world a professional of his status would very likely still have access to internet and email in this day and age, and that he would have checked and responded to it by now given the level of distress many babblers and deputies have suffered.
I agree completely that the site will survive without Dr. Bob, but while we are still trying to operate under his rules and his authority I think we could use a little impartial guidance right now to ease the confusion.
Q
Posted by Jai Narayan on April 23, 2007, at 7:35:13
In reply to Re: I think this is premature, posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 23:49:27
> "Babble won't end, just because Bob is away for a few weeks. In fact, Babble wouldn't necessarily end if Bob decided to hand it off entirely to someone else. This is a peer support board, not a cult of personality."
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> Right. I am on lists that have existed since the 1980's, where ownership and/or moderation has been passed through many different people. On one list we lost both the hosting server and the list owner, when the college could no longer offer hosting and the owner did not have enough time to continue. So the list members bought the domain
> and found another org to host it.
>
Your post gives me hope and a sense of resilience. I come back to PB every-so-often because the people are interesting and sincere. I'm sorry there is conflict but conflict seems to ebb and flow in life. I think being a deputy would be a hard job. My hat's off to anyone who has this position.
Jai Narayan
Posted by zazenducke on April 23, 2007, at 8:24:00
In reply to Re: What will happen to Babble..., posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 22:02:44
> >
>
> After some thought I decided to post on this thread afterall. I'd like to clarify that the motive behind my 'If I Had a Hammer' thread above was not an oblique attack on the deputies and their supporters, it was to raise awareness of the possibility that *we all, right now* may be the unwitting participants of a virtual/online version of the Stanford Prison/Milgram experiments. If so, what I *was* obliquely referring to was that it might be high time to blow the whistle and end the experiment? It's patently clear that people are now getting hurt and emotionally traumatized by the experience (many who were vulnerable and emotionally frail to begin with I might add), and I think it's time to end it.
>
>I understand your point.
Of course it would not be ethical.
I agree.
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 23, 2007, at 12:52:03
In reply to Re: Well, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:07:00
Phillipa,
Seriously. Dr Bob not being around for a couple of weeks does not mean babble is ending.
I've had a couple of emails today off babblers ho are *really* upset by reading this and wanted my opinion.
Can I ask, respectfully, that you stop posting that you think babble is about to close or that dr bob is never returning? As the fears are, currently, appear completely unfounded.
Nikki
Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 23, 2007, at 13:26:14
In reply to (((((((Dinah))))))), posted by Bobby on April 22, 2007, at 16:16:03
Dinah, it *hurts* to see some of the things you've been accused of and \the statements made to you. At times reading them I've felt I've been punched in the stomach, they just seemed so uncalled for and inexcusably ... low.
If I thought it would make a difference I'd point out posts that prove you are unbiased. I've been P.B.C'd by you more than once, and twice it was because I was in my own rather blinded way defending you : )
I've admired your objectivity, empathy straightforwardness and appreciation of diversity since I've known you, they are qualities that I think shine in you--the reasons I noticed you, and wanted to get to know you, not something I claim to see now because I'm part of some nebulous "In group" It seems impossible to me that they are qualities not seen as clearly to everyone else.
I've mentioned you in particular because I've known you the longest, but all the deputies I think do a fair and fine job, and GG I know is always examining and re examing her actions that's not the behaviour of someone on a power trip.
Never have I seen it as some sort of perverse power trip. A few P.B.C's and a very few blocks, a power trip? Really? That idea actually seems kind of funny to me. It's like what? you get all puffed up over managing to beat your quota of P.B.Cs...
"Well I sure showed *that* screename A P.B.C and a "Please Be Sensitive" she won't be messing with the likes of me again" *Shine badge*Makes me tilt my head to the side like a dog that heard a weird noise.
I can't say anything else because I've not been wording things well lately.
But To all the deputies, it seems at times you're not seen as people at all, especially not as people who cope with the same struggles and illness and insecurities that the rest of us do. I'm so sorry for the pain and bewilderment you must so often have felt.
I know I've felt it on your behalf many times
Posted by karen_kay on April 23, 2007, at 15:01:35
In reply to Thank you, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:40:23
dinah sweetheart,
gabbi said it all for me. (and so much better too. how does she do it?)
you're so very wonderful.
thankless job be damned! i'm happy you're here, doing it. babbleland is a better place with you here. and i don't see how you are able to be so patient. see how you're my mentor?
many of those fake hugs ((((((((((((((dinah)))))))))) but, they are so very sincere (and you'd smell my stinky armpits if i were giving you one. i might even be tempted to pinch your butt. would that be ok? even jsut once?)
take care of your wonderful self. and you are always so apt at handling this pressure cooker i like to call babble.
again, that stupidmax is getting to me and am fidning myself not nearly as clever as i thought i once was, so i'll jsut say, i adore you dinah. no miscommunication there!
kk
Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 23, 2007, at 15:34:30
In reply to Re: I think this is premature » Racer, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 23:01:33
Phillipa people have always said this board has "changed" it's different now, it's not as good now.. and when I look back at the very beginning of Babble, when I wasn't a member, I can see that at the outset it was significantly different and I envy those early members for what they had.
After that early period though, as more joined of course there have been changes, ups and downs because it's not a "BOARD" it's people, and anything made up of people is going to change
There have always been those people (not just the ones who email you) who've said that they are leaving because of this and that, and some do, and some are having a bad time and need a break and end up coming back even years later.. some never do, it's just the way it works.. it's life, people have been predicting the end of babble for as long as I've been here, It's unsettling for those who depend on babble to hear those things, spare a thought for them okay?
Posted by gardenergirl on April 23, 2007, at 16:39:49
In reply to (((((((Dinah))))))) Deputies, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 23, 2007, at 13:26:14
Posted by gardenergirl on April 23, 2007, at 16:43:10
In reply to Re: Thanks for the opening--I am taking a leave, posted by TexasChic on April 22, 2007, at 20:40:26
Posted by gardenergirl on April 23, 2007, at 16:44:55
In reply to Thank you, gg » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:49:08
I'm not going anywhere, and I like you too much to not chat with you. :)
Thanks for being a friend and a huge source of support.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on April 23, 2007, at 16:46:33
In reply to Re: Well, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 21:07:00
Babble's going to be fine, Phillipa. Thanks for saying you'll miss me. I'm still around via babblemail or email, remember. :)
gg
Posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2007, at 18:45:04
In reply to Re: Well » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on April 23, 2007, at 16:46:33
GG sure will. Love Phillipa to a special person
Posted by Scratchpad on April 23, 2007, at 19:52:21
In reply to Thanks for the opening--I am taking a leave, posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 17:29:58
Thank you for always being there for me!
sp
Posted by Scratchpad on April 23, 2007, at 19:56:05
In reply to Re: What will happen to Babble... » tofuemmy, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 13:22:04
I've always thought that you are the ultimate role model of a deputy. You were certainly my inspiration for wanting to be one - I had hoped that I could have made an ongoing and objective contribution to babble by being one.
I thank you for all the hard work that you do here.
sp
Posted by Scratchpad on April 23, 2007, at 20:09:03
In reply to (((((((Dinah))))))) Deputies, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 23, 2007, at 13:26:14
>
> But To all the deputies, it seems at times you're not seen as people at all, especially not as people who cope with the same struggles and illness and insecurities that the rest of us do. I'm so sorry for the pain and bewilderment you must so often have felt.
>This is exactly why I decided I couldn't perform as a deputy.
I got so sad reading this thread.sp
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