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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 8:45:59
Dr. Hsiung,
I have requested as to if a speech posted here by DR.Martin Luther King jr would be considered by you either civil or uncivl on the basis that Dinah has posted to me that I can not post content that showes historical state-sponsored antisemitism, so I would like to know if King's speeches, that have content showing state-sponsored racism, could be posted or not. The rationale that I understand here about the prohibition to me to post historical events that showed state-sponsored antisemitism, is that Jews could be led to feel put down.
I do not understand that logic here and would like for you to clarify this, for the Jews that were persecuted historically now have their own country and their own air force and can defend themselves now and were vindicated in 1947.
The race of people that King was trying to have equal opportunity for, have had laws passed in the U.S. to facilitate that dream of his. I do not think that revisiting his work here could cause those peoples to be led to feel put down and that his speeches can not be posted here. Nor do I think that me showing historical state-sponsored antisemitism could lead Jews to feel put down.
I am asking you to post here as to if I can post content showing historical state-sponsored antisemitism, and if not, could you clarify if the speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King jr could or could not be posted here, and if they could, what is your rationale for allowing the speeches to be posted,for they show historical state-sponsored racism, but not me posting content that shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
Lou PIlder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/682403.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 11:57:08
In reply to Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 8:45:59
DR. Hsiung,
My original post to you that I am reminding you about is from September 2, 2006. There was also another post by me including my request to you for your answer to the same question around December 5, 2006. Since then, I have been led to believe that the speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King jr that involve historical state-sponsored racism are civil here.
So to modify my orignal request and reminder to you, I could look at this now knowing that his speech is civil here, but in looking at Dinah's post to me, she writes that I am not to post what could include historical state-sponsored antisemitism.
The question then becomes since those speeches with that content are civl here, then what is the rationale to say that I can not post what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
Here is Dinah's post to me about this.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/2060802/msgs/678294.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 11:59:58
In reply to further infomation-Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 11:57:08
> DR. Hsiung,
> My original post to you that I am reminding you about is from September 2, 2006. There was also another post by me including my request to you for your answer to the same question around December 5, 2006. Since then, I have been led to believe that the speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King jr that involve historical state-sponsored racism are civil here.
> So to modify my orignal request and reminder to you, I could look at this now knowing that his speech is civil here, but in looking at Dinah's post to me, she writes that I am not to post what could include historical state-sponsored antisemitism.
> The question then becomes since those speeches with that content are civl here, then what is the rationale to say that I can not post what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
> Here is Dinah's post to me about this.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060802/msgs/678294.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2006, at 3:17:51
In reply to further infomation-Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2006, at 11:57:08
> what is the rationale to say that I can not post what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
It might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something anti-Semitic?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2006, at 6:36:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reminder, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2006, at 3:17:51
DR. Hsiung,
I have requested the following:
[...What is your rational for allowing content that shows historical state-spnsored racism, but not allowing me to show content that shows state-sponsored antisemitism?...]
Your reply was that [...it might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something antisemitic..].
The grammatical structure of your answer to me could mean that ;
A. You did not understand my request to you
B. You do understand my request to you but you did not include the entire request from me to you in your reply to me for reasons unbeknownst to me.
C.something else
If (B) is the case, could you post here what your reason(s) could be to leave out the part in my request that asks ;
1.what is your rational for:
a.>allowing content that shows state-sponsored racism<, while prohibiting me from showing content that shows state-sponsored antisemitism?
Your answer was that it might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something antisemitic...]
But is posting how the historical |tactics| used by communities to arrouse and foster antisemitic feelings toward Jews an antisemitic statement? If so, my question to you was what is your rational to allow what could show historical state-sponsored racism, but not allow what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism.
I do not think that posting the tactics used as to how communities foster and promote antisemitism is posting something antisemitic. I think that my post in question that Dinah used to say that I could not post content that shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism was in the aspect of the mission of the forum, for support and education.
I am asking you to reply again to me here incorporating all of what I requested for you to reply to, which was what is your rational for allowing historical state-sponsored racism to be posted here and not being allowed to post what shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism. It is the distinction between the two, that is not visible to me, that I think that the grammatical structure of my request to you is asking. For if your thinking is that posting what shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism, is posting antisemitism,which is not allowed, then is not posting what shows historical state-sponsored racism ,racism which is allowed?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2006, at 11:20:36
In reply to Re: Lou's reminder, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2006, at 3:17:51
> > what is the rationale to say that I can not post what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
>
> It might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something anti-Semitic?
>
> BobFriends,
If you are interested in responding to this thread, I would like for you to consider the following.
In DR. Hsiung's reply to me,[...it might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something antisemitic...]. There are a number of posts here that IMO are of the same nature as those used in historical state-sponsored antisemitsm that have the potential IMO to foster defamtion and antisemitic feelings that are involved in an ongoing discussion here.
I would like for you to consider DR. Hsiung's reply to me here concerning this in any response that you may make in this thred.
Here is one that DR. Hsiung gives his answer to me as to a reason. He writes,[...hasn't been (the question for him) whether they're discriminatory,>but whether it's more helpful< to focus on the past or the present...].
I ask, in your opinions, is there the potential for one to think that his statement is connected to his FAQ where he writes to trust him and that he does what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole? If so, could you consider this in any response to this thread?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686322.html
Then there is the {...past or on present...}.
Here is a post by Dinah concerning that and I would like for you to consider her post in any response to this thread. Dinah writes,[...it is definitly in the present (lack of sanction) and I forsee it going into the furure...]
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686416.html
Then could you also consider the following post by Scott in any response to this thread? Scott writes,[...I give Lou much crdit...faced with..opposition..posts that have not been sanctioned..might be desireable to update..there may be eggegious violations...]
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686742.html
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2006, at 16:54:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reminder, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2006, at 3:17:51
> > what is the rationale to say that I can not post what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism?
>
> It might not be sensitive to the feelings of others to post something anti-Semitic?
>
> BobFriends,
The above reply to me from Dr. Hsiung has IMO the grammaticl structure of his statement to have the potential for some others to think that he is saying that to post what could show the tactics that historically have been used to arrouse antisemitic feelings or foster antisemitic feelings is [..post(ing) something antisemitic...].
I am asking you that are interested in responding in this thread that there is a definition of antisemitism that is generally accepted throughout the world, be it by law, or universities, workplaces, communities, etc.
The EUMC has an extensive list of acts that are considered antisemitic. Antisemitic acts that are criminal are defined in countries that have those criminal statutes to be acts that deny the Holocaust or the disemination of antisemitic materials.There are countries where it is criminal for, let's say, a newspaper or television station to distribute antisemitic materials. Criminal acts are those that when the target of the attacks, be it property or a person or persons are percieved to be Jewish. Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to a Jew or Jews of the opportunities or services or anything else that a community offers to others.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing or sterotypical allegations about Jews such as collective responsibility for real or imagined acts, accusing Jews of being responsible for a conspiracy.
Advocating the shunning of Jews, applying a double statndard or holding a Jew to a higher standard than others is included in the definition of antisemitism by the EUMC.
I do not believe that I am posting antisemitism by showing content that depicts historical tactics of state-sponsored antisemitism and can not find any article that includes showing that to be to post something antisemitic. If you want to post something to support what Dr. Hsiung has posted here to me as his reply to my request to him for his rationale for allowing content to be posted here that depicts historical state-sponsored racism, while I am prohibited from posting content that couls show hisrorical state-sponsored antisemitism, I am requesting that you do so so that I can have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2007, at 1:13:57
In reply to Lou's reply to DR. Hsiung's reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2006, at 6:36:07
> if your thinking is that posting what shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism, is posting antisemitism,which is not allowed, then is not posting what shows historical state-sponsored racism ,racism which is allowed?
Sorry, are you asking if posts that show historical state-sponsored racism are allowed?
Bob
Posted by Lou PIlder on January 28, 2007, at 8:21:57
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2007, at 1:13:57
> > if your thinking is that posting what shows historical state-sponsored antisemitism, is posting antisemitism,which is not allowed, then is not posting what shows historical state-sponsored racism ,racism which is allowed?
>
> Sorry, are you asking if posts that show historical state-sponsored racism are allowed?
>
> Bob
DR. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...are you asking if posts that show historical state-sponsored racism are allowed?...]
You have posted that posting what could show historical state-sponsored antisemitism is not allowed. You have posted something like [...that it >could< lead Jews to feel put down...].
If you are saying that if something >could< lead Jews to feel put down by the post showing the tactics used in historical state-sponsored antisemitism, then by that same reasoning, could statements here that show the tactics used in, let's say,historical state-sponsored racism also lead those subjected to that tactic also to be led to feel put down?
There are statements here that IMO >could< lead other groups to feel put down by the nature that the statements show historical tactics of state-sponsored racism and I have not seen the administration post that those posts of that nature are not allowed to be posted here.
If showing what you say >could< lead Jews to feel put down by the nature that the posts show how Jews were subjected to the tactics of state-sponsored antisemitism and not be allowed to be posted here according to your policy, would not the posts that show the tactics used historically in state-sponsored racism, also be not alllowed by that seme policy?
Let us look at the grammatical structure of your reply to me here.
[...Sorry, are you asking if posts that show historical state-sponsored racism are allowed (here)?...]
In you statement above, I am unsure of what you mean for there could be the potential IMO to think that from looking at the grammatical structure of your reply to me that:
A. You do not know that there are posts here of that show tactics of historical state-sponsored racism?
B. You know that there are >no< posts here of that nature?
C. You know that there are posts here of that nature and you will not post that they are not allowed to be posted here, and if so could you post here as to why you will not?
D. You know that there are posts of that nature and you will remedy the situation by notating in some way in the thread where they appear that they can not be posted here just as posts showing the tactics used in state-sponsored antisemitism can not be posted here, or rescind your policy that prohibits me from posting what could show the tactics used in historical state-sponsored antisemitism.
E. Something else
I am requesting then to have clarification from you as to if you are saying that you do not agree that there are posts here that show the tactics used in historical state-sponsored racism or not and if you would like to see posts of that nature here or not That IMO do exist here.
Lou Pilder
Here is one post by you that says that Jews could feel put down if they see in a post here how they were subjected to state-sponsored antisemitism.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060918/msgs/692568.html
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 29, 2007, at 22:43:30
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou PIlder on January 28, 2007, at 8:21:57
> I am requesting then to have clarification from you as to if you are saying that you do not agree that there are posts here that show the tactics used in historical state-sponsored racism or not and if you would like to see posts of that nature here or not That IMO do exist here.
If you think there are posts that are a problem, please use the button to notify us of them. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou PIlder on January 30, 2007, at 18:20:23
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on January 29, 2007, at 22:43:30
> > I am requesting then to have clarification from you as to if you are saying that you do not agree that there are posts here that show the tactics used in historical state-sponsored racism or not and if you would like to see posts of that nature here or not That IMO do exist here.
>
> If you think there are posts that are a problem, please use the button to notify us of them. Thanks,
>
> BobDR. Hsiung,
I am unsure as to what you mean by your response to me here and how your reply answers, or does not answer my request to you for clarification as to what you wrote in your previous post to me,[...are you asking if posts that show histiorical state-sponsored racism are allowed?...]
You reply to me was sometging like that if I think that there aree posts of that nature to use the report feature here for notification.
My request was for you to clarify what the grammatical structure of your reply to me means to you.
Here is the post and I would like to look at the concerns that I had brought up in regards to your reply to me.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/727382.html
In (A), [...I am unsure as to if you mean that you do not know that there are posts of the nature in question...] Your reply,[...if you think that the are those type of posts to use the report feature...] leads me for a want for clarification as to if your mean that your reply says that you do or do not know if there are posts here of the nature in question, for your reply is one about the use of the report feature and I was asking you if you know if there are posts of that nature or not. I am unsure as to if you mean that you know of these posts or not after reading your reply to me.
In (B), I asked if you know that there are >no< posts of the nature in question. Your reply could mean IMO that you do or do not know, because the grammatical structure of your reply,[...|if >you< think there are posts| that are a problem...] IMO may or may not have the potential to indicate your knowlege of such, for your reply is asking me what I think.
I am unsure after reading your reply to me as to if you are saying that you do or do not know of the existance of posts that show historical state-sponsored racism here. If you could clarify this, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou Pilder
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