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Posted by muffled on January 10, 2007, at 13:40:40
I know I said I wasn't gonna post here, but this is a follow up to a question bob had awhile back and I was just able to follow up on.
So at my drop in center our 'blocking' policies are such that, if a person cuases undue disruption, they will be asked to leave for the day.
If its more violent, or intrusive(eg. yelling and they will not step down), ESP against people who work there, then they will get a week.
If they keep getting repeated 1 day exclusions, then they will be asked to leave for a week. If its ongoing, then goes to a month. Thats seems to be the cap.
Last week we had someone throw something at a staff member and they broke the plate glass window in the process. They have been banned for 1 mo. That person tried to come in this morning, but was made to leave or we would call cops. Which for obvo reasons is a last resort for us.
Now a person that has a 1 month block STILL has the opportunity to talk to the preacher that runs the place, and the preacher might choose to shorten the block in certain situations.
This mostly seems to work. The one prob is if we are too lenient, then probs do start to escalate, there is no question of that (been happening recently), and thats not good, cuz it can be truly unsafe there if its not under some control.
However that being said, the plan is to be more firm with the 1 day, 1 week bans, for OBVIOUS infractions. And to be more clear about the bans.
Often its just said 'get out of here and don't come back today'. When mebbe sometimes it could possibly be made more clear to all.
So we block for safety reasons.
We don't block cuz someones feelings have been hurt, or there has been a mild argument without major yelling. Often a staff will try and talk to them instead. We don't block someone when they walk out the door and yell 'f*ck you Joe' on the way out. They can come in later, so longs they don't go over the line of safety and extreemly obviosly try and cause trouble.
These people have many issues and problems for all different reasons. MOST of them are able to keep it safe.
The LAST possible thing we wish to do is make anyone feel more marginal and unacceptable than they already feel.
So thats my answer.
Muffled
Posted by 10derHeart on January 10, 2007, at 16:42:34
In reply to To Bob re:drop in center, posted by muffled on January 10, 2007, at 13:40:40
That was so well written, muffled, I feel like I totally am *there* and understand how stuff works.
Thanks so much for taking the time and energy to write it all out. I think it's important information for Dr. Bob - or anyone, really - to think about. Hope he has time to read this soon.
And thanks for caring about Babblers, too. You wouldn't have bothered if you didn't, and there can't be an excess of caring posters - not possible :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 12:41:35
In reply to To Bob re:drop in center, posted by muffled on January 10, 2007, at 13:40:40
> So at my drop in center our 'blocking' policies are such that, if a person cuases undue disruption, they will be asked to leave for the day.
> If its more violent, or intrusive ... ESP against people who work there, then they will get a week.
> If they keep getting repeated 1 day exclusions, then they will be asked to leave for a week. If its ongoing, then goes to a month. Thats seems to be the cap.
> Now a person that has a 1 month block STILL has the opportunity to talk to the preacher that runs the place, and the preacher might choose to shorten the block in certain situations.
> This mostly seems to work. The one prob is if we are too lenient, then probs do start to escalate, there is no question of that ... and thats not good, cuz it can be truly unsafe there if its not under some control.
> So we block for safety reasons.
> We don't block cuz someones feelings have been hurt, or there has been a mild argument without major yelling.
> These people have many issues and problems for all different reasons. MOST of them are able to keep it safe.
> The LAST possible thing we wish to do is make anyone feel more marginal and unacceptable than they already feel.Thanks for explaining in more detail. It sounds like a good system. And similar in general to the system here: not following the rules leads to blocks, repeated short blocks lead to long blocks, blocks are capped, even people who are blocked can talk to the administration, being too lenient isn't good, most people are able to follow the rules, and the administration doesn't want to make people feel worse.
Bob
Posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 14:05:12
In reply to Re: drop in center, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 12:41:35
**I have tried to pare this down..
> > If its more violent, or intrusive ... ESP against people who work there,
**ESP AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE
(i think deputies should be just as well if not better protected than babblers when they are acting in the capacity of their deputy roles)> > If they keep getting REPEATED 1 day exclusions, then they will be asked to leave for a week. If its ONGOING, then goes to a month. Thats seems to be the cap.
**THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CAP
(Heeeeellllllllooooooo, same old, same old, I beleive you block for too long at times, and shouldn't just automatically escalate. I understand you are trying to be fair, but lifes not rational or fair. And if you have accidentally let unfairness slip into a descicion you have made....haven't you gathered yet that you WILL hear about it??????? This is where you can say OK, lets just call it, block over....see below..)> > and the preacher might choose to shorten the block in certain situations.
> > So we block for safety reasons.
> > We don't block cuz someones feelings have been hurt, or there has been a mild argument without major yelling.**ALL OF THE ABOVE SECTION
(I am contemplating that one below...and I can agree that blocks are definately improving on the whole...but mebbe its just me that doesn't understand some of them, and hence I become frightened. I seem to not understand alot of stuff for some reason)
> Thanks for explaining in more detail. It sounds like a good system. And similar in general to the system here: not following the rules leads to blocks, repeated short blocks**do you get multiple short blocks first?
>lead to long blocks, blocks are capped,
**are they? It must be a very long time :(
>even people who are blocked can talk to the administration,
**Thats hard too, but unfixable, who ARE you? :( Again, proly just my own damn stuff.
>being too lenient isn't good, most people are able to follow the rules, and the administration doesn't want to make people feel worse.
**BOB, here's an outright plain question for you...WHY don't you want to make them feel worse?**
Don't worry,no right answer. I dunno what it is I looking for. But mebbe you could give it a shot...
>
> Bob**Similiar in a surface way of course, but different in SO many ways. And where I am the situation is much less physically safe and maybe thats WHY there is more control,in some ways, cuz violence is a reality there and in those peoples lives, everyday....
Maybe we at babble need to work harder at control for the very reason its seemingly 'safe' here to blow a gasket...
Up to a point of course....
Block.
Sorry I am so damn stupid.
God I wish my brain worked better.
I wish I could understand stuff better. Its like its there in my head somewhere, stuff, stuff that would make me not so dumb. But I can't get to it.
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 21:32:40
In reply to Deputies can mostly answer, but 1 question for Bob » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 14:05:12
> i think deputies should be just as well if not better protected than babblers when they are acting in the capacity of their deputy roles
I've thought that, too. But there's no official policy yet.
> I beleive you block for too long at times, and shouldn't just automatically escalate.
I know, we disagree about some of the specifics. :-)
> > > the preacher might choose to shorten the block in certain situations.
> > > So we block for safety reasons.
> > > We don't block cuz someones feelings have been hurt, or there has been a mild argument without major yelling.In certain situations I might choose to shorten the block, too. But if I shortened more blocks, I think we'd also spend more time discussing blocks, and the goal of this site isn't discussing blocks...
Safety here is mostly safety of feelings, since people are pretty safe physically.
> mebbe its just me that doesn't understand some of them, and hence I become frightened.
I can understand feeling frightened of being blocked.
> do you get multiple short blocks first?
Well, not always *multiple* ones of every duration...
> > blocks are capped
>
> are they? It must be a very long time :(They are. It is. A year.
> BOB, here's an outright plain question for you...WHY don't you want to make them feel worse?
Because the goal of the site is support (and education).
> Maybe we at babble need to work harder at control for the very reason its seemingly 'safe' here to blow a gasket...
I think so. And here one gasket can blow other gaskets really quickly...
Bob
Posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 23:03:11
In reply to Re: drop in center, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 21:32:40
> I think so. And here one gasket can blow other gaskets really quickly...
>
> Bob**excellent.
Point taken.
Though I am becomming a little alarmed, as I seem to keep seeing your POV, and I used to love to hate you.....sigh.
Oh well.
Don't need more hate in this here world I reckon.
Better to be accepting.
And you don't scare me so much nowadays anyhow.
So there.
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 12:09:24
In reply to Re: drop in center » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 23:03:11
> I am becomming a little alarmed, as I seem to keep seeing your POV, and I used to love to hate you.....sigh.
Instead of loving to hate me you could hate to love me? :-)
Bob
Posted by muffled on January 22, 2007, at 13:07:44
In reply to Re: becomming a little alarmed, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 12:09:24
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