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Posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 12:55:40
Putting aside the present criteria for making a blockable post:
What do you think that we, as friends and fellow posters, can do to help prevent blocks? I ask this question because I really, really do not like to see anyone blocked, ever. I've got this idyllic picture of a nurturing and healing place that Babble can be if we foster such an environment.
In lieu of immediately being able to change the guidelines that are used to determine whether a post justifies a block or not, can we help our friends to avoid that block in the first place? So much support is shown here after a block has happened; wouldn't it be better if we could prevent the block in the first place? Wouldn't it be a preventative measure against the hurt that blocks can cause?
Your thoughts, inputs, suggestions... I think we can make the system work better within its current constraints.
ClearSkies
an everyday poster.
Posted by notfred on December 29, 2006, at 13:34:14
In reply to How can we help other Babblers from being blocked?, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 12:55:40
In lieu of immediately being able to change the guidelines that are used to determine whether a post justifies a block or not, can we help our friends to avoid that block in the first place
PBC's are really good indicators that a block will be the next outcome.
Posted by Dinah on December 29, 2006, at 14:20:55
In reply to How can we help other Babblers from being blocked?, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 12:55:40
I think that if we see each other getting upset, we can babblemail each other. I know there are times when a good off board talk has helped me on board. That's where a good civility buddy comes in handy. A good chat with my civility buddy often leaves me laughing and less angry.
In my experience, it works best to have a someone you are comfortable with and chat with anyway on hand to be a civility buddy. Since once I get worked up I'm less able to take in words of wisdom. But if I have someone I talk to before I get too worked up, I can often change course a bit.
That's just what helps me. I imagine that other people have other things that help them.
Posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 15:26:31
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc, posted by notfred on December 29, 2006, at 13:34:14
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> PBC's are really good indicators that a block will be the next outcome.So, if you saw another poster get PBC'd, how would you try to help them? Would you offer them any advice or support?
I email or babblemail the poster if I'm brave enough. Quite often escalating threads fill me with dread.
CS
Posted by Declan on December 29, 2006, at 16:45:07
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers » notfred, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 15:26:31
(Up to a point) it makes sense to cultivate good relations with those you tend to have difficulty with.
It shows you are serious about trying to see other points of view as well as expessing your own.
Posted by notfred on December 29, 2006, at 17:47:50
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers » notfred, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 15:26:31
> So, if you saw another poster get PBC'd, how would you try to help them? Would you offer them any advice or support?
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>
I do not do babble mail but in the past I have run interference, so to speak. If I feel someone is being baited or otherwise singled out there are many ways to redirect the conversation.Personally, as I have said before, getting blocked is not a big deal to me. If it were, then I would back off and stop posting for a bit after I got a PBC. Cool off for a bit. Do not get caught up in the escalating thread, I agree with you, they are tricky. I am a hot head and I have learned to not post, or in general interact with people when I am worked up. Sometimes I delete posts that I started
while worked up and after a cooler head prevailed
realized went over the top.For me, I do not receive input when I am worked up
so sending me a babblemail might not be the thing to do !
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 30, 2006, at 0:15:22
In reply to How can we help other Babblers from being blocked?, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 12:55:40
Clearskies...I feel the best way would be to stick to helping them seek their therapist and or PDOC . I feel if it is a manipulative threat (not that I am saying we have any)....posts and pms will only feed the one who is PBC'd. If it has to do with how someone worded something babble mail would be nice maybe helping them word it better. Asking them to join you in chat even so they can express themself freely and be validated
> Putting aside the present criteria for making a blockable post:
>
> What do you think that we, as friends and fellow posters, can do to help prevent blocks? I ask this question because I really, really do not like to see anyone blocked, ever. I've got this idyllic picture of a nurturing and healing place that Babble can be if we foster such an environment.
>
> In lieu of immediately being able to change the guidelines that are used to determine whether a post justifies a block or not, can we help our friends to avoid that block in the first place? So much support is shown here after a block has happened; wouldn't it be better if we could prevent the block in the first place? Wouldn't it be a preventative measure against the hurt that blocks can cause?
>
> Your thoughts, inputs, suggestions... I think we can make the system work better within its current constraints.
>
> ClearSkies
> an everyday poster.
Posted by muffled on December 30, 2006, at 23:28:11
In reply to How can we help other Babblers from being blocked?, posted by ClearSkies on December 29, 2006, at 12:55:40
> What do you think that we, as friends and fellow posters, can do to help prevent blocks?
>
> In lieu of immediately being able to change the guidelines that are used to determine whether a post justifies a block or not, can we help our friends to avoid that block in the first place? >**CS you are such a sweetie.
I do b-mail people when I think they getting wound up.
I have seen threads where people HAVE worked out their differences , often with the help of other babblers.The prob is BOB.
The prob is blocks where few seem to truly understand where the heck the block came from?
And when we ask bout it, there's often no clear answer given.
There's so many times where we wonder 'will I be blocked?', because its SO unclear.
Blocks hurt as much as they do,due in part to their LENGTH.And the unknown of how long it will be.So I think many of us ALREADY help where we can, either by b-mail or on the thread itself......
But we keep running into one liner Bob....
Immutable Bob...
So sorry if I stray from the topic, but this is where alot of the hurt comes from I think.
Its the shock of the unexpected.
The injustice we feel when we personally blocked, or when a friend is blocked and it makes so little sense.
At least at my drop in center, the blocks are not contested cuz they OBVIOUS.
Here its often not so.
My2 cents.
Muffled
Posted by notfred on December 31, 2006, at 1:18:38
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being blocked?, posted by muffled on December 30, 2006, at 23:28:11
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> The prob is BOB.
> The prob is blocks where few seem to truly understand where the heck the block came from?Dr Bob quotes the phrase that causes a person to be blocked. How can he be more clear than that ?
Blocks always come after PBC's, except for extreme
cases. You make it sound like blocks come out of no where. Blocks happen due to a posters uncivil postings after one or more PBC's. How can he be more clear than that ?"And when we ask bout it, there's often no clear answer given. > There's so many times where we wonder 'will I be blocked?', because its SO unclear."
I have no trouble telling what is over Dr Bobs line. While I may not always agree with his choices. A minority here receive blocks; it seems the majority do not get them.
Posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 2:00:05
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc, posted by notfred on December 31, 2006, at 1:18:38
But consider the difference between Admin and Politics. Not for ages have people been hurt on Politics. People get hurt on Admin often. Compare the blocks on Admin and Politics.
Posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 31, 2006, at 12:15:00
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc, posted by notfred on December 31, 2006, at 1:18:38
i agree,
i may feel insulted being pointed out in a babble mail that i was uncivil..or coming close.
if i feel strongly enough about something i will get blocked over it..we all have our own set of morals to live by.
Posted by ClearSkies on January 1, 2007, at 21:58:13
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc » notfred, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 31, 2006, at 12:15:00
> i agree,
> i may feel insulted being pointed out in a babble mail that i was uncivil..or coming close.
> if i feel strongly enough about something i will get blocked over it..we all have our own set of morals to live by.
>
>I guess that I'm thinking in terms of myself: that I want my babble friends to not get blocked if they don't have to.
So, are you saying that you will intentionally post with the expectation that you'll be blocked as a result? I guess I can't understand it; given the hurt that blocks can and do cause, why someone would be seeking such a thing in the first place.
CS
Posted by notfred on January 1, 2007, at 23:35:52
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc » jylisnotlaughing, posted by ClearSkies on January 1, 2007, at 21:58:13
" given the hurt that blocks can and do cause, why someone would be seeking such a thing in the first place.
>
> CS"
Why would anyone ignore the PBC's that come before a block, given that they know how hurt they feel
when they are blocked ?
Posted by ClearSkies on January 2, 2007, at 7:52:15
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc, posted by notfred on January 1, 2007, at 23:35:52
> " given the hurt that blocks can and do cause, why someone would be seeking such a thing in the first place.
> >
> > CS"
>
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> Why would anyone ignore the PBC's that come before a block, given that they know how hurt they feel
> when they are blocked ?
>
>
>Yeah, that's a big motivator for me to stay as civil as I can on the boards. I do vent and let off my steam privately. (This also does not work for me.)
Giving my thoughts a break, walking away from the computer and doing something else, is how I attempt to let myself calm down a bit. Sometimes that helps.CS
Posted by jylisnotlaughing on January 2, 2007, at 10:01:00
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc » jylisnotlaughing, posted by ClearSkies on January 1, 2007, at 21:58:13
i am saying if there was a negative post about my "religion" or insulted someone i loved..i would not dance around it tossing flowers in the air..i would tell them how i feel..
Posted by jylisnotlaughing on January 2, 2007, at 10:04:30
In reply to Re: How can we help other Babblers from being bloc » jylisnotlaughing, posted by ClearSkies on January 1, 2007, at 21:58:13
i didnt imply i was "seeking" blocks..
did i?
Posted by ClearSkies on January 2, 2007, at 11:43:03
In reply to ps » ClearSkies, posted by jylisnotlaughing on January 2, 2007, at 10:04:30
> i didnt imply i was "seeking" blocks..
> did i?
>Um, you did post that you would "expect" to be blocked
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061228/msgs/717828.html
So I guess I'm confused as to your position regarding them.
CS
Posted by jylisnotlaughing on January 2, 2007, at 13:32:11
In reply to Re: ps » jylisnotlaughing, posted by ClearSkies on January 2, 2007, at 11:43:03
"expect" meaning i know the rules and the consequences of breaking them..
i have never been blocked unexpectingly.
Posted by notfred on January 2, 2007, at 18:30:37
In reply to Re: ps, posted by jylisnotlaughing on January 2, 2007, at 13:32:11
> "expect" meaning i know the rules and the consequences of breaking them..
> i have never been blocked unexpectingly.
>
>Same here. I know when I have gone over the line.
Sometimes some things must be said and if I am blocked for a week, so be it. I do not feel hurt
because of a block. I understand some people feel
a lot of hurt when blocked and that is OK. Each of us is entitled to their feelings.
Posted by fayeroe on January 3, 2007, at 18:49:27
In reply to Re: ps, posted by notfred on January 2, 2007, at 18:30:37
> > "expect" meaning i know the rules and the consequences of breaking them..
> > i have never been blocked unexpectingly.
> >
> >
>
> Same here. I know when I have gone over the line.
> Sometimes some things must be said and if I am blocked for a week, so be it. I do not feel hurt
> because of a block. I understand some people feel
> a lot of hurt when blocked and that is OK. Each of us is entitled to their feelings.i'm with you two.....i've always known when i was going to be blocked. never lost any sleep over it but i do truly believe that it hurts a lot of people here.........
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