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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 11:38:24
Dinah,
You wrote,[...I wish you'd (DR. Hsiung) tag any of these posts...].
The posts in question are those that have statements in them that have been used historically to arrouse antisemitic feelings by accusing Jews, putting down Jews.
My request to you is for you {as a deputy} to tag them now becuase Dr. Hsiung has recently posted that accusations of the nature in question toward the Jews is uncivil here. If you are unwilling to do so now, I ask:
A. Could you not post in those threads now to the post in question that what is there that could arrouse antisemitic feelings is uncivil now that DR. Hsiung has posted that accusations toward the Jews are uncivil to post here?
B. If not, could you post here as to what your rationale is that you are unwilling to do so? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686416.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 11:58:12
In reply to Lou's request to Dinah as deputy-asdep, posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 11:38:24
> Dinah,
> You wrote,[...I wish you'd (DR. Hsiung) tag any of these posts...].
> The posts in question are those that have statements in them that have been used historically to arrouse antisemitic feelings by accusing Jews, putting down Jews.
> My request to you is for you {as a deputy} to tag them now becuase Dr. Hsiung has recently posted that accusations of the nature in question toward the Jews is uncivil here. If you are unwilling to do so now, I ask:
> A. Could you not post in those threads now to the post in question that what is there that could arrouse antisemitic feelings is uncivil now that DR. Hsiung has posted that accusations toward the Jews are uncivil to post here?
> B. If not, could you post here as to what your rationale is that you are unwilling to do so? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686416.htmlDinah,
In your post here ,686416 above, [...one's that you actually think are civil...]
Dr. Hsiung recently posted that he considers accusations made to the Jews as being an uncivil statement to be posted here. This IMO changes things from before he posted that, for if there is an issue as to if some of the posts in question are civil or not, IMO has been made clear by DR. Hsiung. So I think that now , it is not the question as to if the posts in question are civil or not.
Since you have posted here your concern about this in 686416, and that you are,[...wishing for peace...] as you posted in that post, I am offering you this solution that I would consider giving closure to this matter as an administrator here, and I think that you are correct in that peace could come out of this ongoing discussion by having those posts in question notated as being uncivil.
If you are willing, I could give you the posts in question for you to see if they fit Dr. Hsiung's recent post as to what he says constitutes an uncivil statement in relation to those that IMO have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings. Since that is IMO not in doubt now, I feel that my request here is reasonable.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 12:14:12
In reply to Lou's request to Dinah as deputy-B » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 11:58:12
> > Dinah,
> > You wrote,[...I wish you'd (DR. Hsiung) tag any of these posts...].
> > The posts in question are those that have statements in them that have been used historically to arrouse antisemitic feelings by accusing Jews, putting down Jews.
> > My request to you is for you {as a deputy} to tag them now becuase Dr. Hsiung has recently posted that accusations of the nature in question toward the Jews is uncivil here. If you are unwilling to do so now, I ask:
> > A. Could you not post in those threads now to the post in question that what is there that could arrouse antisemitic feelings is uncivil now that DR. Hsiung has posted that accusations toward the Jews are uncivil to post here?
> > B. If not, could you post here as to what your rationale is that you are unwilling to do so? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/686416.html
>
> Dinah,
> In your post here ,686416 above, [...one's that you actually think are civil...]
> Dr. Hsiung recently posted that he considers accusations made to the Jews as being an uncivil statement to be posted here. This IMO changes things from before he posted that, for if there is an issue as to if some of the posts in question are civil or not, IMO has been made clear by DR. Hsiung. So I think that now , it is not the question as to if the posts in question are civil or not.
> Since you have posted here your concern about this in 686416, and that you are,[...wishing for peace...] as you posted in that post, I am offering you this solution that I would consider giving closure to this matter as an administrator here, and I think that you are correct in that peace could come out of this ongoing discussion by having those posts in question notated as being uncivil.
> If you are willing, I could give you the posts in question for you to see if they fit Dr. Hsiung's recent post as to what he says constitutes an uncivil statement in relation to those that IMO have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings. Since that is IMO not in doubt now, I feel that my request here is reasonable.
> Lou
>
> Dinah,
I am requesting that you consider the following an any reply here.
A. If you post that the statements in question in the posts in question here are uncivil, you would not be overulling Dr. Hsiung now because he has posted recently that accusations toward the Jews are uncivil to be posted here.
B. The FAQ states that a specific function of a deputy is to post that a statement is uncivil.
C. That I am not asking for the poster to be sanctioned, but that only the statement in question be notated as being uncivil here.
D. That you IMO know more than anyone else here the aspects of this whole matter.
E. That you are the senior deputy here.
F. That you have posted other posts that IMO are supportive of my quest to have the posts in question notated as being uncivil.
G. other good and just considerations.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2006, at 12:25:16
In reply to Lou's request to Dinah as deputy-asdep, posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 11:38:24
You're asking me to do something that Dr. Bob has said he does not wish to do.
Deputies just don't have that power.
There is a chain of command here. The buck stops with Dr. Bob.
I'm sorry, but I can't help you.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 15:06:59
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dinah as deputy-asdep, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2006, at 12:25:16
Friends,
It is written,[...(Dr. Hsiung)has said that he does not wish to do ...]
Friends, I have not seen any statement from Dr. Hsiung that:
A> He will not notate the posts in question as uncivil
B.that others are not allowed to do so.
There is more to this...
Loui
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 15:30:18
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of Dinah's post, posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 15:06:59
Friends,
In considering the grammatical structure of Dr. Hsiung's statements concerning this ongoing discussion about my quest to have statements that IMO have the potential to foster antisemitic feelings be notated as being uncivil, he writes what IMO is that he says something like he wants to determine if it is {more helpful}to notate them or not. The grammatical structure IMO does not conclude that he will not place the notations, but that there is the potential for some to think that this ongoing discussion is {open} untill he makes a decision as to if it is more helpful or not to do so. I think that the grammatical structure could mean that he is open to a continued dialog concerning this.
Then there is the discussion about that DR. Hsiung has posted that [...one match >can< start a forest fire...]. I believe that this discussion is still ongoing and that DR. Hsiung could post the notations requested by me untill he writes something that I think is saying that he will never do that and I do not see any statement at this time that I think says that.
Then he does say that he will look at a post beforehand that I would like posted that is a response to the statements in question. This leads me to believe IMO that others can post to those posts in question and that there is no prohibition that a deputy can not, that I see.
A deputy could decline, or they could ask DR. Hsiung if they could if they are in doubt as to if they can post that the statement in question is uncivil. If DR. Hsiung posts that a deputy can not post to an uncivil post as being uncivil, that could be different, but I have not seen such a post.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 15:38:50
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of Dinah's post-B, posted by Lou Pilder on December 17, 2006, at 15:30:18
Friends,
Another aspect of this is that DR. Hsiung has replied to me with his answer specifying that his asnwer is {at this time} his answer.
The grammatical structure IMO of the statement could mean IMO that at this time he could have a different opinion, for does not the grammatical structure of his statement mean that it is conditional for that time, but not another time?
Thearfore, I am unsure as to if Dr. Hsiung has told anyone, including a deputy, that they can not post a response to any post here that they think that the post is uncivil.
Lou
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