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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2006, at 16:14:14
Friends,
In accordance with the stated procedures here for impeachment of a deputy, it is written that this can be done on the administrative board.
But what are grounds for impeachment?
First, the major generally accepted grounds for impeachment usually fall under the heading of, "abuse of power" by the official.
This sometimes is catorigised by the abuse being in one of the three following catagories:
A.Misfeasance and Malfeasance (improper execution of an act or done in an improper manner)
B.Nonfeasance (failure to act or unwilling to act in the capacity that the official has
These generally accepted criteria for impeachment can have other criteria that could be based on the principles of such. These could be;
A.conduct unbecomming the official
B.the commission of a civl wrong to someone such as libel.
C. Being an accessory to others to defame another by abusing their powers to provide favoritism.
D. discrimination toward a member in regards to their function as an official
E.preventing equal opportunity to someone
F. manufacturing a falsehood about someone
G. fostering defamation toward someone by abusing their powers.
H. humiliating a member
K. breaking the rules that they impose on others.
If you think that there are other good and just causes for impeachment, I would like to have them posted if you could.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on September 13, 2006, at 16:30:39
In reply to Lou's innitiation of impeachment procedings, posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2006, at 16:14:14
Careful, Lou. See what I posted above. Actions by posters who happen to be deputies are subject to the same civility rules as any other posters. Which means not posting anything that could be seen as an accusation against them. See my explanation above.
You'd best get specific approval from Dr. Bob, through email, for whatever you have in mind. At least that's my nondeputorial recommendation for not getting blocked.
Posted by gardenergirl on September 13, 2006, at 17:07:53
In reply to Re: Lou's innitiation of impeachment procedings, posted by Dinah on September 13, 2006, at 16:30:39
I think that a reasonable person would interpret recent posts the way I'm inferring you are interpreting them.
But ya never know what's up. Ya know?
Many of the proposed criteria sound awfully familiar, don't they? I'm quite certain I've heard (well, only if I read out loud) similar "criteria" applied to my perceived actions or inactions.
Sharing my volcano shelter with you...
gg
Posted by Dinah on September 13, 2006, at 17:32:25
In reply to Let's not assume » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on September 13, 2006, at 17:07:53
I'm not assuming anything. I'm just advocating caution since the stakes are high. I'd hate to see Lou get in trouble based on his interpretation of what I interpreted.
It seems prudent to check with Dr. Bob first.
The way I phrased my post to Lou was based on his reflection of what I said in my post above. I thought he may have gotten the wrong impression about what I was saying based on what he reflected back to me. So I hurried down here and tried to make sure he wasn't proceeding with what he thought I thought Bob said.
If that makes sense.
I'm sorry if my rush made me seem to imply something other than wait a sec, I think you misunderstood me. :) I didn't mean to assume I knew where Lou was going. I have no idea, really.
Posted by gardenergirl on September 13, 2006, at 17:39:54
In reply to Re: Let's not assume » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on September 13, 2006, at 17:32:25
Ah. I think I projected my assumption and then my second thoughts onto you. My head's spinning now. ;)
gg
Posted by tofuemmy on September 13, 2006, at 17:41:00
In reply to Let's not assume » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on September 13, 2006, at 17:07:53
I don't wanna impeach you - I wanna hug you!
Then stomp my feet, and bellow obscenities.
Then hug you again.
em
Posted by Racer on September 13, 2006, at 17:50:43
In reply to Dearest GG » gardenergirl, posted by tofuemmy on September 13, 2006, at 17:41:00
That hugging GG makes people want to holler obsenities?
Just, you know, asking...
(OK, really just sticking my beak in to say, "hi," and hoping to make yo usmile, too.)
Posted by sleepygirl on September 13, 2006, at 20:49:04
In reply to Lou's innitiation of impeachment procedings, posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2006, at 16:14:14
thank you
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2006, at 23:59:22
In reply to PLEASE stop any and all proceedings!!, posted by sleepygirl on September 13, 2006, at 20:49:04
> thank you
There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on September 14, 2006, at 0:20:11
In reply to Re: PLEASE stop any and all proceedings!!, posted by SLS on September 13, 2006, at 23:59:22
Well, it's not a democracy. So the procedure would likely be that Dr. Bob would privately ask a deputy to resign. But that could be after many complaints from members.
Posted by notfred on September 14, 2006, at 0:21:45
In reply to Re: PLEASE stop any and all proceedings!!, posted by SLS on September 13, 2006, at 23:59:22
> There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
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> - ScottYou cannot impeach what was never elected. This is not a demomocracy, people are not elected. This is absurd. If there needs to be some "system" then it is up to Dr. Bob.
You can't have a drama with out an audience. Quit attending and it will go away.
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 0:24:43
In reply to Re: PLEASE stop any and all proceedings!! » SLS, posted by Dinah on September 14, 2006, at 0:20:11
> Well, it's not a democracy. So the procedure would likely be that Dr. Bob would privately ask a deputy to resign. But that could be after many complaints from members.
That sounds plenty fair to me.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 0:34:25
In reply to nothing to see here, move along, posted by notfred on September 14, 2006, at 0:21:45
> > There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
> You cannot impeach what was never elected.
Not true. You can impeach a judge. Judges can be appointed.
> This is not a demomocracy,
So what? That does not preclude the establishment of democratic processes.
> This is absurd.
In your opinion.
> If there needs to be some "system" then it is up to Dr. Bob.
He always appreciates input. That is one of the foundations of the Administrative board.
> You can't have a drama with out an audience. Quit attending and it will go away.Maybe I don't want it to go away.
- Scott
Posted by notfred on September 14, 2006, at 0:56:38
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along » notfred, posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 0:34:25
> > > There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
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> > You cannot impeach what was never elected.
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> Not true. You can impeach a judge. Judges can be appointed.
>That is not impeachment. Those who are appointed
serve at the pleasure of an official. Their job is "at will" and they can be removed by the official that appointed them. Most times they loose their job when the official or political party that appoined them leave office.
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 6:10:04
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along, posted by notfred on September 14, 2006, at 0:56:38
> > > > There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
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> > > You cannot impeach what was never elected.
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> > Not true. You can impeach a judge. Judges can be appointed.
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> That is not impeachment. Those who are appointed
> serve at the pleasure of an official. Their job is "at will" and they can be removed by the official that appointed them. Most times they loose their job when the official or political party that appoined them leave office.Justices of the Supreme Court are nominated by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate. They are impeached by Congress.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2006, at 7:47:20
In reply to Lou's innitiation of impeachment procedings, posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2006, at 16:14:14
Friends,
There are more serious causes for the impeachment of an official.
Some of them are:
A. A crime against humanity
B. Violationg the civil rights of an individual
C. Conspiracy to violate the civil rights of an individual
D. A violation of the human rights of an individual
E. Holding an individual to a higher standard than others
F. Using a pretext to justify discriminating against an individual
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 8:05:54
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along, posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 6:10:04
> > > > > There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
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> > > > You cannot impeach what was never elected.
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> > > Not true. You can impeach a judge. Judges can be appointed.
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> > That is not impeachment. Those who are appointed
> > serve at the pleasure of an official. Their job is "at will" and they can be removed by the official that appointed them. Most times they loose their job when the official or political party that appoined them leave office.
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> Justices of the Supreme Court are nominated by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate. They are impeached by Congress.
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> - Scott
Duh. This is an example of an elected judge. Sorry.State and municipal judges are often appointed by governors and mayors respectively rather than being elected. They, too, are removed from office through impeachment processes.
- Scott
Posted by zazenducky on September 14, 2006, at 8:16:59
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along - Duh. » SLS, posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 8:05:54
> > > > > > There has to be some system in place, don't you think?
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> > > > Not true. You can impeach a judge. Judges can be appointed.
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> > > That is not impeachment. Those who are appointed
> > > serve at the pleasure of an official. Their job is "at will" and they can be removed by the official that appointed them. Most times they loose their job when the official or political party that appoined them leave office.
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> > Justices of the Supreme Court are nominated by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate. They are impeached by Congress.
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> > - Scott
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> Duh. This is an example of an elected judge. Sorry.
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> State and municipal judges are often appointed by governors and mayors respectively rather than being elected. They, too, are removed from office through impeachment processes.
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> - ScottI think the difference is that they were appointed by someone who is elected. In this case the deputies are appointed by Bob who owns the board not elected. To impeach the deputies would be more like trying to impeach the bouncers at a bar I think.
Personally I like a good drama (specially when I can be the queen) but I don't think this is the right way to go.
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 8:42:02
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along - Duh., posted by zazenducky on September 14, 2006, at 8:16:59
> > State and municipal judges are often appointed by governors and mayors respectively rather than being elected. They, too, are removed from office through impeachment processes.
> I think the difference is that they were appointed by someone who is elected. In this case the deputies are appointed by Bob who owns the board not elected. To impeach the deputies would be more like trying to impeach the bouncers at a bar I think.
Perplexed. Sorry.
> Personally I like a good drama (specially when I can be the queen) but I don't think this is the right way to go.I don't think so either. I prefer the scenario that Dinah suggests would occur.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/685771.html
- Scott
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 14, 2006, at 9:15:45
In reply to Re: nothing to see here, move along - Duh., posted by SLS on September 14, 2006, at 8:42:02
And this makes me feel sooo very pretty...
(I love just using my own, *very* civil language. Hope I'm not being too British if you catch my drift)
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2006, at 9:30:25
In reply to Causes for impeachment-more serious, posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2006, at 7:47:20
Friends,
To innitiate an impeachment proceding, first the charges aginst the official are stated.
We have seen charges against those in the news about judges and Presidents and Slobodan Milosevic. But here we have a differant situation and the charges do not compare with the historical charges brought toward those of world leaders.
Here we have IMO an administrative impeachment that is different from a political impeachment.
In the William Jefferson Clinton impeachment, the constitution stated that there were charges of "high crimes and misdemeanors."
In this case, I would rule out "high crimes and misdemeanors"
So let us look at the charges?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2006, at 9:40:40
In reply to Stating the causes for impeachment, posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2006, at 9:30:25
Friends,
I have just seen that Dr. Hsiung has posted that general calls for impeacment he would like to be emailed.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 14, 2006, at 10:20:58
In reply to Lou's innitiation of impeachment procedings, posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2006, at 16:14:14
> In accordance with the stated procedures here for impeachment of a deputy, it is written that this can be done on the administrative board.
I decided against that, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/685858.html
Bob
Posted by zazenducky on September 14, 2006, at 12:38:43
In reply to Nice, *really* nice.., posted by NikkiT2 on September 14, 2006, at 9:15:45
He's very British too!......
Whenever Onslow inquires about foodstuffs (for example, usually beer, bacon butties or smokey bacon-flavoured crisps) and Daisy tells him that they're out, he responds with an exasperated, "Oh, nice!" He also uses this phrase for other unusual situations, usually revolving around Hyacinth or when he is put down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_Up_Appearances
You are pretty nicki....you really really are
Lou is a beautiful work of his creator as are we all!! Even though I don't always agree with him I admire his willingness to work with Bob to uphold and respect Bob's vision of civility without compromising his own values.
I think he has been treated unfairly here in the past and I think that is sad.
I think it is pretty......that he is banned for a year at a time while others............
> And this makes me feel sooo very pretty...
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Posted by zazenducky on September 14, 2006, at 12:46:30
In reply to Do you know Onslow????? » NikkiT2, posted by zazenducky on September 14, 2006, at 12:38:43
> He's very British too!......
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