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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 28, 2006, at 9:26:25
Friends,
There are many many posts that have statements that accuse the Jews of killing Christ and insult Jews and other statements that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings that are remaining on the forum unsanctioned. Even ones that Mel Gibson redacted at the request of the Jewish community in his movie,[...The Passion...]. I have been trying to have these statements sanctioned as other statements here that accuse or put down those of other faiths.
The other issue now is that I have recently found that some of the links that went to statements that accuse the Jews of killing Christ now lead to a page that says,[...URL not found...]
The question now is how has this happened?
But let me go back to when Dr. Hsiung posted what in his own rules is uncivil by posting a link that put down Christians. In my dialog with Dr. Hsiung, he wrote that he agreed that the link is directly to the text and wrote that he changed the link so that what put down Christians now was directed to a table of contents.
Now some of the links in question that write that the Jews killed Christ are now going to a page that says,[...URL not found...]. Some links still go to statments that accuse Jews and are not sanctioned. I am asking the Illinoise Human Rights Commission to make a determination that if Dr. Hsiung has done the alteration,and I do not know yet how the alteration has been done, that that would be a violation of my human rights.
If you would want the URLs to my discussion with DR. Hsiung about the alteration of the link that put down Christians,to go to a table of contents, you can email me at
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Lou Pilder
Posted by sunnydays on August 28, 2006, at 10:03:20
In reply to Why Lou is investigating, posted by Lou Pilder on August 28, 2006, at 9:26:25
I respectfully disagree with the grounds for your investigation. I know that on Babble statements are supposed to be civil, but at least in the US, unless I am mistaken, anti-Semitic statements, as horrible as they are, are protected under the First Amendment.
sunnydays
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 28, 2006, at 11:18:40
In reply to Re: Why Lou is investigating, posted by sunnydays on August 28, 2006, at 10:03:20
Friends,
It is written,[...antisemitic statements protected by the ...]
This is a mental -health forum and people are led to believe that they can come here for support and education. But in your opinions, is it supportive for the forum to leave statements that accuse the Jews of killing Christ unsanctioned? Is it supportive for me as a Jew to be in a community that will not sanction those posts?
The issues with the Il. Human Rights Commission are not about Freedom of Speech. It is about human rights.
And if I am expelled from a mental health community for wanting to have those statements sanctioned that accuse the Jews of killing Christ, then that could be a bad break for me.
But as I look back at all the bad breaks, I know that there is a greater good break that awaites me. And today, I consider myself, to be, the luckiest man, on the face of the earth.
Best wishes,
Lou Pilder
Posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 12:08:33
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of sd's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 28, 2006, at 11:18:40
No one has ever had a PBC, block, or other type of sanction here at Babble for *wanting* something. There's no way anyone could even know of a wish, desire, need, or want if it is not expressed in some way by the person.
Administrative actions are the *consequences* of a poster's *behavior*. Anyone can *want* or wish for anything they like. What you one does regarding that desire may have consequences, however. It's not the wanting, it's the behavior.
I do not consider a consequence of a behavior to be a "bad break". I believe that characterizing it as such places the responsibility for the consequence on external factors, when the behavior is internal and thus the responsibility for the behavior is within the individual.
gg
Posted by Racer on August 28, 2006, at 12:44:53
In reply to No one is blocked for wanting something, posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 12:08:33
Are you saying I won't be blocked for what I want right now? :^D
Goodie!
Posted by madeline on August 28, 2006, at 12:57:35
In reply to Why Lou is investigating, posted by Lou Pilder on August 28, 2006, at 9:26:25
I don't get it, are you mad at Mel Gibson or Dr. Bob?
Posted by crazy teresa on August 28, 2006, at 13:35:42
In reply to No one is blocked for wanting something, posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 12:08:33
Is not history actually being disputed here?
If so, the point is mute. One can not change history, no matter how much one dislikes what actually happened...
Posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 17:06:31
In reply to Re: No one is blocked for wanting something » gardenergirl, posted by crazy teresa on August 28, 2006, at 13:35:42
Very good point.
Also, life is full of good things, bad things, and in between things. People, events, and experiences are not consistent, nor predictable. If anyone simply must have absolute consistency, well, as Westley says, "Get used to disappointment."
thanks for chiming in
gg
Posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2006, at 22:15:38
In reply to Re: No one is blocked for wanting something » crazy teresa, posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 17:06:31
Good points and there have been many interpretations over the centuries. Love Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on September 3, 2006, at 7:30:45
In reply to Re: No one is blocked for wanting something, posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2006, at 22:15:38
I don't understand.
So, if the antisemetic posts were removed from the board, what then is the problem?
Why would you want to bring them back on if you thing they are offensive. How is it a violation of your human rights that these posts were removed?
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on September 3, 2006, at 8:25:42
In reply to Re: No one is blocked for wanting something, posted by linkadge on September 3, 2006, at 7:30:45
> I don't understand.
>
> So, if the antisemetic posts were removed from the board, what then is the problem?
>
> Why would you want to bring them back on if you thing they are offensive. How is it a violation of your human rights that these posts were removed?It wasn't the post itself that contained the contentious words, but the webpage that it provided a link to (which was actually a search query). I think Lou Pilder wants the PB post that contains the link to be made visible for scrutiny. I'm not sure, though. However, the format of the search query has changed, and the link in the referenced PB post no longer produces the text that Lou Pilder wishes to contend, and the civility of the post no longer becomes an issue. Perhaps I have this wrong.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2006, at 9:20:51
In reply to Re: No one is blocked for wanting something » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 3, 2006, at 8:25:42
Friends,
It is written here,[...Lou..wants the link made visible...wishes to contend...civility..no longer becomes an issue...].
Well, the poster is correct that the civility is not an issue. Some of the posts are very old, some recent.
What I would like is to have the posts restored to their original by allowing me to post the corrected link that leads to what was the original. I m awaiting an acceptance or a denial to my request to post such due to that there are new rules made about links and such that I am asking for clarification to.
If I, or others, will be allowed to post the restoration of the post to its original, then I and others could have the opportunity to post our perspective in the thread that the post appears. I do not see it as to contend , but to offer my point of view so that different points of view could be seen. Since I am a Jew, the perspective will be from a Jewish perspective.There could also be other Christian or non-Christian groups that could also post their perspective.
Lou
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