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Posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 15:51:42
In reply to Lou's reply to James K » James K, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 15:43:29
> You wrote,[...I...have not seen any antisemitism published on Psychobabble...]
> If you would like to see them, I have a catalog of them and could email them to you at your request
--- I hope you add my previous post which you said has the potential to arouse antisemitism to your catalog.James K
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 15:58:52
In reply to Re: Lou gives definitions to antisemitism » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 15:48:14
James K,
You wrote,[...don't believe..is the same as promoting it...]
The issue IMO is that {if the statement is left unsanctioned}, there is the potential for others to be led to think that the administration endorses what was posted. If that happens then there is also the potential for Jews as I am, to feel defamed, and then if the statement is not sanctioned, there is the potential IMO for what was posted to be fostered.
Lou
Posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:12:44
In reply to Lou's reply to James K » James K, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 15:58:52
> The issue IMO is that {if the statement is left unsanctioned}, there is the potential for others to be led to think that the administration endorses what was posted. If that happens then there is also the potential for Jews as I am, to feel defamed, and then if the statement is not sanctioned, there is the potential IMO for what was posted to be fostered.
--- Do you believe that I shouldn't be allowed here, or anywhere? to make the statement that the story of Jesus Christ as told in the Bible references that the Jewish leaders had Jesus crucified after the Roman leader was willing to let him go?You may be right about here. At the top of the faith board, it says that support may mean not posting about some aspects of a religious belief. That would be a fair determination for here. I'm open to it.
It may be that aspect of Christianity can't be discussed here for reasons that it might bother a Jew. It won't change the fact that, punishing all Jews for it is antisemitic, and that nothing in my parents' doctrine says that Jews are responsible and should be punished. Just that that year's leaders of the church were corrupt.
It is however a "fact" if you believe the bible is true. I don't.
If it is some other aspect of the post that is problematic, what is it?
James K
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 16:23:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:12:44
James K,
You wrote,[...XXX...]
There is a greater issue here and if you look further into the opening page of the faith board, could you give your opinion as to if it has the potential to lead others to think that Dr. Hsiung is saying that the foundation of Jewdaism puts down those of other faiths?
Lou
Posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:58:33
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » James K, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 16:23:45
> There is a greater issue here and if you look further into the opening page of the faith board, could you give your opinion as to if it has the potential to lead others to think that Dr. Hsiung is saying that the foundation of Jewdaism puts down those of other faiths?
---I think the opening page of the faith board does have the potential to lead others to think various things about Dr. Hsiung's statements.
If Judaism's foundations (of which I only know the part that is in the Christian called Old Testement), require that its God be the only God worshipped, then Dr Hsiung would require that we don't discuss this fact using should words on this site.
That is what I was led to believe by his statements.
It is very tricky and complicated, but apparently necessitated by the behavior and feelings of the community. I feel it like many of the rules depends on a personal ability and willingness to restructure sentences. I do see requests to rephrase given often.
I don't see any attack on Jews or singling out of Jews in regard to following the guidelines, but again that is just me and my perceptions.
It is always interesting to have an excuse to dig back into the background, and past of PB.
James K
Posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 17:02:29
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:58:33
2. A primary goal of this site is to be supportive. If the foundation of a faith puts down those of other faiths, it's not in my view supportive, so as a general rule, I'd rather it were discussed elsewhere.
Bob
--- I interpret this to mean he'd rather the foundation be discussed elsewhere, not the faith. I haven't read every follow up post to see if this was covered.
James K
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 17:08:33
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:58:33
James K,
You wrote,[..if Jewdaism's foundation require that its God XXX].
I ask you, does what is prohibited concerning the above say, in your opinion, on its face that you see, say that Jews requier others to worship their god?
Or does it say, in your opinion, that Jews have a commandment from their God {to them}and not others?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 17:19:42
In reply to forgot this part, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 17:02:29
James K,
You cited the part that says that the foundation of faiths that put down other faiths be taken elsewhere.
Now, in your opinion, is the foundation of Jewdaism one that is to go elsewhere?
Then do you see any posts that could be intepreted as to be the foundation of another faith, including but not limited to Christianty, and they are not sanctioned as being told to be taken elseware?
Lou
Posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 17:29:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » James K, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 17:08:33
> James K,
> You wrote,[..if Jewdaism's foundation require that its God XXX].
> I ask you, does what is prohibited concerning the above say, in your opinion, on its face that you see, say that Jews requier others to worship their god?
> Or does it say, in your opinion, that Jews have a commandment from their God {to them}and not others?
---What is prohibited concerning the above doesn't address Jewdaism or the rider and its requirements or to whom its requirments are directed. On its face, it says how the statements we use on this site should be constructed.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 17:35:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 17:29:04
James K,
Please do not post to me.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060802/msgs/677183.html
Posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 18:40:13
In reply to Lou's request for James K not to post to me » James K, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 17:35:25
Hi Lou,
I read your discussion with James on antisemitism on Psycho-Babble with interest. I viewed it as a non-contentious exchange of ideas. I was under the impression that there had to be an element of harrassment to envoke the 'do not post' provision here. Did you feel harrassed by James? I know that Bob will eventually make a determination on the validity of your request. I was just hoping that you would share with us how you felt that James was being uncivil towards you. I hope you don't believe that if someone merely disagrees with you that that constitutes harrassment.
Posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 18:53:54
In reply to Re: Lou's request for James K not to post to me » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 18:40:13
The harassment requirement has been dropped.
Posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 19:38:08
In reply to Re: Lou's request for James K not to post to me » Toph, posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 18:53:54
Posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 19:39:25
In reply to Not from FAQs (nm) » Dinah, posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 19:38:08
FAQ's are not up to date. They're on Dr. Bob's to do list.
Posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 19:57:56
In reply to Re: Not from FAQs » Toph, posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 19:39:25
Dinah,
This really bothers me. I should be above the feelings I feel. I am supposed to be kind, tolerant, understanding, professional. Most of the time I am. I can't figure out why, like a moth to light, I come to admin. It really disturbs me that I get so affected. Should this really matter? Should we really care? PB isn't real, is it?
Toph
Posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 20:14:11
In reply to Re: Accusations of hate » Dinah, posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 19:57:56
Of course it's real. I'm real. You saw me, felt me.
Babble can rouse strong feelings.
If you need a civility buddy, you can babblemail me.
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 16, 2006, at 20:31:17
In reply to Lou gives definitions to antisemitism, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 8:59:29
That maybe some people *really* dislike you for your ACTIONS??
And that it has *nothing* to do with your religion.
But.. I would expect that if one were to shout "religious abuse" each time someone told one that one was not nice, then one never needs to look at ones own behavior does one.
Yesterday, after a brief absence, I came back to PB to give good news and an update to friends here.
but I won't be Lou.Until Dr Bob gives us the option to ignore..
Sorry guys, but I cannot be here.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 21:10:18
In reply to Re: Accusations of hate » Dinah, posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 19:57:56
Toph,
Your subject line reads,[...Accusations of hate...]
Is your subject line in referrence to anything in these discussions going on now? If so,Could you identify, with perhaps a list, of what these accusations of hate are?
Lou
Posted by Toph on August 16, 2006, at 21:13:49
In reply to Lou's question to Toph » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 21:10:18
Yes, of course.
Posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 21:46:58
In reply to You ever think..., posted by NikkiT2 on August 16, 2006, at 20:31:17
> That maybe some people *really* dislike you for your ACTIONS??
I'm really sorry, Nikki, but I'm going to have to ask you not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 21:51:19
In reply to You ever think..., posted by NikkiT2 on August 16, 2006, at 20:31:17
I'm sorry about the circumstances.
I've missed seeing you around. :(
I'm always available as civility buddy, if you feel the need. And I'd love to hear about your synagogue experience.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 17, 2006, at 0:46:41
In reply to It was good to see you again » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 21:51:19
I've missed you too, Nikki. And I'm sorry. I meant to email you this week, but I've been pretty bad about keeping up with them. But you've been on my mind.
Take care,
gg
Posted by AuntieMel on August 17, 2006, at 14:18:22
In reply to It was good to see you again » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on August 16, 2006, at 21:51:19
From me, too. I sure miss you.
Posted by Declan on August 18, 2006, at 22:15:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K » Lou Pilder, posted by James K on August 16, 2006, at 16:12:44
You people clearly have good internet connections. It would take me all day to read this thread at the speed I have here. I only come to Admin because I'm a masochist.
Posted by AuntieMel on August 21, 2006, at 8:55:30
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to James K, posted by Declan on August 18, 2006, at 22:15:35
This is the end of the thread.
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