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Posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:21:15
In reply to Re: Ethics » 5, posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:12:51
Just thinking about being blocked is making me cry now.
I can never be blocked again. I'm not sure I would survive, I'm serious, not kidding, not making light of the situation.
My next block would be 8 weeks and I seriously don't think I will survive it.
GG, you have my permission to call the cops on me if I get blocked again and go insane.
I don't want to die.
I'm sad now.
I can't stop posting here, so I have to risk my life.
Deneb
Posted by JenStar on March 2, 2006, at 22:22:25
In reply to Re: Ethics » 5, posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:12:51
Or...maybe you could try to use each block as a way to 'desensitize' yourself to the thing? Or a reminder about staying within the boudaries of the site?
I know it's REALLY tempting to just write about whatever you're feeling, whenever you feel it. I feel that way too, a lot of the time. But the site does have boundary conditions that we need to stay inside of.
The time I got blocked I was upset. I was upset at the block. I was MORE upset at myself for allowing myself to get "out of control" and respond emotionally without editing the post. I knew that what I was posting would probably not be acceptable, yet I posted it -- and later on, I felt mad at myself for my lack of control.
I don't want to presume that you feel the same things I feel. But does some of your anger at the block stem from the same thing I was feeling? Or is it still too raw to process that way?
take care,
JenStar
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:24:03
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:03:06
Because I've always tried to be charitable to him
Like he has asked us to do
And I don't see him being charitable to meAnd every now and then people say I don't get treated as harshly as other people on the boards
They say I get preferential treatmentAnd those sort of accusations are hard for me (and yes I see them as accusations)
Because I've had preferential treatment before
And it was abuse
It was
And it is hard for meBut I've thought hard about it
Whether I do get preferential treatment
whether I have gotten preferential treatment
And my thought was that Dr Bob was more inclined to think of my posts charitably because I extend that courtesy to him
I have tried to internalise the civility rules
To take them on board
To make sense of them
To employ them in my life
Not just at the level of posting but at teh level of thought and conceptualisationAnd that is why he might be more inclined to think of what I say with a little charity
That made sense to me.
Around Larry's block
(I'm sorry if this is bringing up hurts for people)
I predicted admin action.
And people did point out how that could sound...
And nothing was said...
And so the admin action happened.
And I tried to make sense of the block
To think of it charitably
To help other people see that
To help other people understand whyI never did agree with the 6 weeks...
I've had issue with the LENGTH of blocks
But not really with the blocks.And so I did that...
I wasn't asked to.
But I did.And then the block gets reduced 'with love'
Whatever that means
Whatever that means for the original reasons for the block
I don't really know what sense to make of that...
But there it is.
And I am glad Larry is back with us
And I am glad he didn't end up with 6 weeks because I think that was too much.
Far too much.
I'm glad it was reduced but I'm not sure I see the sense...
Why was Larry's block reduced while other peoples blocks have not been.Why charity for Larry?
I don't understand.
Maybe... It is about teh majority. I mean... If the boards are about the good of the group then what the majority wants...
People went from hating to loving Dr Bob.
Once the block was reduced.
I continued to be an object of derision.
Thats okay. he didn't ask me to come to his defence.
But I continued to be an object of derision.Outliers...
Just aren't in the interests of the group.
But when it comes to what Iran wants (what the citizens in Iran wants)
Well...
That is nothing when compared to the interests of the US.
I'm an outlier.
Always have been.
Always will be.
Some people find that invaluable...
But I piss off the majority that is true.
But that is me.
I thought that was okay.
I thought I was okay here.
But I am not.
because those last two blocks...
Who am I kidding...
All my blocks.I know she didn't see it this way...
But my apology to crazy t was genuine
I was really very upset with myself over that
I did wrong :-(
I hurt her very much and that wasn't my intention.
But I don't even have teh opportunity to put that right
To make that up to her
To try to make that up to her.And that doesn't sit well with me.
Doc John Blocked me for 4 weeks.
I didnt' care because IMO he is crazy anyways
Inconsistent
Says things he regrets (or jolly well should) lol.
Reacts rather than responds
he is a lot like me lol.
But Dr Bob... I expected more.I tried not to idealise him...
But there it is.There it is.
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:29:30
In reply to extra-therapy transferences, posted by gardenergirl on March 2, 2006, at 22:14:04
Transference...
Is helped along by not speaking in full sentances.
Transference...
Is helped along by posting ones pic at the top of every page.
Transference...
Is helped along by the asking of questions such as 'how does that make you feel'
Transference...
Is helped along by calling oneself a psychiatrist
By encouraging people to process it.
Etc Etc
Dr Bob?
I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
You do encourage it.
It makes blocks have more... potency.
No?
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:32:51
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:03:06
Regarding responsibility...
He doesn't HAVE to do anything.
That is my point. He doesn't HAVE to do anything.
And regarding devotion...
Dinah. I would be sure that you (of all people) would know what I was talking about here. You who have talked (a lot) about your devotion. To your father, to your t, to Bob. You have talked a lot about your devotion to him before... In fact... He even thanked you for it at one point. And I think you took that as a compliment...
Posted by JenStar on March 2, 2006, at 22:33:46
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:24:03
well, again, I'm sorry you're hurting. I don't know how to help. I'm sure my posts are NOT helping actually. I like to debate, but I'm sorry - I think that maybe right now you just need a hug, and not a debate?
(((5)))
I don't know if you get preferential treatment or not...I don't know how to tell. But I don't think you p*** off the majority of the people here! I didn't read anything about the Iran thing (I don't go to the politics board because I KNOW I would only get myself into trouble). But I believe that you're always genuine in what you say, whether it's an apology, a theory, a belief, etc. You seem like a very honest person.Anyway, sorry for the excessive debate. I hope you're feeling better soon.
take care,
JenStar
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 22:36:50
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:24:03
I tend to think you're right in a lot of things.
Not Lar's block reduction. That's a policy change, I believe. And a recent one, so it wouldn't apply to prior blockings. And it has a discrete set of rules to it, so it wouldn't apply to everyone.
And not about you as an outsider. For heavens sake, you've got tons of people here who care about you for one thing. And for another, this is one place where Dr. Bob ensures that outsiders are able to post. Even if the majority isn't too happy about it. He didn't block you for the sake of the majority.
Gosh, it's hard posting to you as 5. Sigh. Because sometimes I really feel like addressing you. You. The you who I've grown to know as a friend. Even if we fight sometimes.
I'm still available by email, you know.
Dinah
Oh lordy. If I email you, will you answer?
Posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:43:03
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:21:15
I cry in real life when I get blocked, just like how I'm crying now.
Being blocked makes me sad. I don't ever want to be blocked again. Please help me.
This is making me really sad. I don't think Dr. Bob likes me very much. I'm starting to think he wants bad things to happen to me again.
Please give me evidence that he doesn't want me hurt.
I feel sad. I would hurt myself if that's what he wanted me to do.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 23:00:26
In reply to Re: Ethics *trigger*, posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 22:43:03
I was taking a shower when it hit me who you were.
((((((((((((5))))))))))))))
Deneb
Posted by sleepygirl on March 2, 2006, at 23:11:36
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:32:51
I have missed you, and I am truly sorry
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 23:19:53
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:32:51
Well, if I'm not mistaken, he thanked me for my devotion to Babble, not to him. :)
But Bob and Babble have always been inextricably wound together to me like the rose and the briar. So if I'm not devoted to BabbleBob then I must be nuts to spend the time and effort I do here. lol.
Yes, he doesn't have to do anything, in that he could shut down Babble tomorrow and not look back. But he's Bob, and he does have a sense of responsibility. True responsibility doesn't come from an external governing board anyway. As you should know, having been on the receiving end of extreme irresponsibility sanctioned by the external governing board. True responsibility comes from within.
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 23:35:18
In reply to Re: Ethics » 5, posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 23:19:53
> But Bob and Babble have always been inextricably wound together to me like the rose and the briar. So if I'm not devoted to BabbleBob then I must be nuts to spend the time and effort I do here. lol.
yeah. i think you have talked about how if he left then you would too. in fact... i think a fair few people said that. and that tends to happen... has happened on another board when the clinician attempted to reduce their input.
> Yes, he doesn't have to do anything, in that he could shut down Babble tomorrow and not look back.
yeah. or he could piss off for a week or so and leave things in the hands of a new moderator. or whatever. he can do whatever he wants.
> he does have a sense of responsibility.
you mean... thus far he has turned up fairly reliably when things started to turn to custard. sure. i've seen that too. but he doesn't HAVE to. but it isn't even about that. i was getting at real life conduct. off these boards. contact people have with him of these boards. if people think he HAS to behave ethically because there will be consequences for him if he does not... well my point is what consequences? there aren't any. he isn't our clinician... he has no duty of care at all. he can do whatever he likes. but i don't think people grasp this... because he is 'dr' bob.
> True responsibility doesn't come from an external governing board anyway. As you should know, having been on the receiving end of extreme irresponsibility sanctioned by the external governing board. True responsibility comes from within.
yeah...
would you see a councellor if you knew they didn't come under an ethical board (so there would be no consequences for unethical behaviour)
would you?
i'd be out of there on first meeting...
yeah he says 'i have no duty to you i'm not your doctor'
but...
he is 'dr' bob.
he puts his pic up
he posts his one liners
he encourages people to process transference issues
etc etc
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 23:36:40
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 23:35:18
Posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 23:50:23
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 23:35:18
Dr. Bob!
There are adverse reactions all over the place. I think 5 had one. 5 is right, you can do whatever you want to do. Adverse reactions don't matter because they don't get reported to anyone besides you and you don't seem to do anything about them. Adverse reactions are important. I think you need to acknowledge them.
5 is right about that transference thing too.
Dr. Bob, I really think you need to conduct a poll about how much blocks hurt people, both the blockee and posters.
Dr. Bob, you also need to admit to making mistakes. Sometimes your blocks, (e.g. in 5's case) don't make sense at all.
This turns blocking into random punishment IMHO. That turns up the stress factor 100%. Soon we will learn to be helpless.
Deneb
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 23:52:42
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by Deneb on March 2, 2006, at 23:50:23
I feel like Linda Blair.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on March 3, 2006, at 0:30:41
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 23:35:18
I'm not sure that I agree that Bob is not subject to ethical guidelines. Although I am more familiar with the ethical guidelines for psychologists, I suspect the psychiatrists have similar ones. Ethics are not about enforcable laws (although there is overlap). Ethics are about how one conducts himself or herself professionally. There are many things that one can do that are unethical that are not illegal. And there are many things that are legal that are not ethical.
Psychiatry is a profession that you can't just "check at the door." You are a psych 24 hrs a day, like it or not. The ethics also follow you 24 hrs a day. For example, some professions, like mental health professionals, are mandated reporters of child abuse. Even if you are in a social setting, if you hear something that indicates child abuse you are ethically (and I think legally) bound to report it.
Like most folks on this site, I don't always agree with Bob's decisions. However, I do think that there are limits to his "power" (not sure what word would be best) and that there is some level of accountability even on the internet.
Best,
EE
Posted by muffled on March 3, 2006, at 1:30:39
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:24:03
Posted by Sobriquet Style on March 3, 2006, at 6:19:12
In reply to Re: Ethics » JenStar, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 21:05:05
>Do you think that is acceptable?
So you think that it is acceptable that Dr Bob doesn't have to answer to a relatively objective body regarding his conduct on the boards?>I...
Think that he is asking one hell of a lot.
Would you accept it if you were told your potential psychotherapist wasn't a member of an association that has a governing authority regarding ethical conduct (with consequences for unethical conduct such as loss of lisence)?>I would not.
Dr Bob, isn't your potential psychotherapist though, right?
~
Posted by Sobriquet Style on March 3, 2006, at 6:22:33
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 23:35:18
>would you see a councellor if you knew they didn't come under an ethical board (so there would be no consequences for unethical behaviour
Does Dr Bob counsel here, has he counselled you?
~
Posted by Sobriquet Style on March 3, 2006, at 6:45:28
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by Sobriquet Style on March 3, 2006, at 6:22:33
>E-Therapy: Case Studies, Guiding Principles, and the Clinical Potential of the Internet
Do you feel the above is related to this website? Eg, is this site a from of E-therapy, a case study and a clinical website?
Or, is it not, and simply a link to your book?
Finally, are you called Dr, because you have a Phd?
:-)
~
Posted by AuntieMel on March 3, 2006, at 10:37:55
In reply to Re: Ethics, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 22:03:06
Is it possible that you were hurt because you have some transference issues, too? Maybe in a way we all do.
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my block...
i was extra hurt because it was him
and i trusted him--------------------
Posted by muffled on March 3, 2006, at 11:18:01
In reply to Re: Transference » 5, posted by AuntieMel on March 3, 2006, at 10:37:55
Just sometimes blocks feel so much like you been sucker punched, and it really pisses you off on a variety of levels when you get sucker punched.
Posted by AuntieMel on March 3, 2006, at 13:50:55
In reply to Re: Transference, posted by muffled on March 3, 2006, at 11:18:01
I am sure it does.
I am merely trying to talk to her on a logical level instead of an emotional one. Most of the time that's the type of discussion she prefers.
Posted by muffled on March 3, 2006, at 15:55:39
In reply to Re: Transference » muffled, posted by AuntieMel on March 3, 2006, at 13:50:55
Posted by Deneb on March 3, 2006, at 17:06:17
In reply to Re: I'm sorry » Deneb, posted by Dinah on March 2, 2006, at 20:29:09
> *My* Bob didn't mind. But he was a TV star, so maybe that makes a difference. You could ask Dr. Bob if he minds, or if it makes him uncomfortable. And if it does, then you can respect him by not doing what makes him uncomfortable. And if he doesn't, then I suspect the rest of us can stand it. And maybe even, if we let ourselves, reminisce a bit.
Do you really think that Dr. Bob will answer my question Dinah? What if he doesn't reply? Does that mean I can continue posting about loving him?
What if I asked him in person? Would he answer me? Does Dr. Bob actually answer questions and talk in real life? Will he talk to me? What will we talk about? Did you talk about current events? Will we talk about how Babble is run? I hope Dr. Bob talks to me. Does Dr. Bob answer personal questions? Will he answer interview-type questions?
If I ask him, "Dr. Bob, what gave you the idea to start up Psych-Babble?" Will he answer me?
What about, "What is the most difficult thing being an online moderator?"
What about, "Why did you choose to become a pdoc?"
What about, "How many countries have you been to?"
What about, "What is your favourite colour?"
What about, "Did I make you feel bad when I sent you all those threats?"
What if I apologize for making my threats, do you think Dr. Bob will acknowledge and accept my apology?
Will we make small talk? Will we talk about the weather?
Do you think Dr. Bob knows that my hamsters died?
Do you think Dr. Bob reads my posts, I mean really reads them, not just scan them?
Okay, that's a lot of questions. LOL
What if I say, "I love you Dr. Bob," in person. What will Dr. Bob say then?
Deneb
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