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Posted by Deneb on September 19, 2005, at 20:15:32
Hi Dr. Bob,
First off, I would like to apologize for my inappropriate e-mails to you and for any and all times I was hostile towards you in any way. I realize now that it is part of some intense transference reaction on my part and I will work to keep this under strict control.
I just realized that hostility may be a part of many people's illness's here. It may not be their fault, but it can be very scary and maybe dangerous at times. I know that I am not dangerous in anyway to others, but others may be if they are in an active psychotic state for example.
I am willing to chip in and hire security for the meeting in Toronto. I've been a little naive in thinking that no one here can hurt me. I'm going to be much more careful from now on. Recent events on the boards have caused me to realize these dangers.
Deneb
Posted by ClearSkies on September 19, 2005, at 20:32:41
In reply to Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006, posted by Deneb on September 19, 2005, at 20:15:32
> Hi Dr. Bob,
>
> First off, I would like to apologize for my inappropriate e-mails to you and for any and all times I was hostile towards you in any way. I realize now that it is part of some intense transference reaction on my part and I will work to keep this under strict control.
>
> I just realized that hostility may be a part of many people's illness's here. It may not be their fault, but it can be very scary and maybe dangerous at times. I know that I am not dangerous in anyway to others, but others may be if they are in an active psychotic state for example.
>
> I am willing to chip in and hire security for the meeting in Toronto. I've been a little naive in thinking that no one here can hurt me. I'm going to be much more careful from now on. Recent events on the boards have caused me to realize these dangers.
>
> DenebWow! You're feeling that you are in danger from what you've read here? That is very serious, and something that might need immediate action by Dr Bob. I can assure you that the Babble meeting in June went very smoothly and without any concerns.
What has happened to make you feel this way?
Posted by spriggy on September 19, 2005, at 21:07:53
In reply to Re: Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006, posted by ClearSkies on September 19, 2005, at 20:32:41
yes, I am curious to as to what has caused you to feel "unsafe."
Posted by JenStar on September 23, 2005, at 13:40:51
In reply to Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006, posted by Deneb on September 19, 2005, at 20:15:32
Deneb,
I think security at a babble party is extremely inappropriate. If we turn the party into something that needs security, it's no longer a party, and people will no longer feel free to come and share openly.If any one person feels insecure or scared about coming, that person should not come. I think there are definite and good reasons for both and against attending. If you don't feel comfortable attending, that's certainly OK.
And I have to say...you have admitted to sending graphic and threatening emails to Dr. Bob and the deputies. I don't think anyone has done that to you. Are you certain that it's YOU that needs to feel worried for safety and security at any get-together? just curious.
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on September 23, 2005, at 18:38:39
In reply to Re: Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006 » Deneb, posted by JenStar on September 23, 2005, at 13:40:51
> Deneb,
> I think security at a babble party is extremely inappropriate.I wasn't the first person to think of security.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/371915.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050116/msgs/446500.html
> If any one person feels insecure or scared about coming, that person should not come.I don't know if I'm actually brave enough to go. Maybe I'm just all talk...
Then again, I did go meet my astronomy group and go camping out in the middle of nowhere to spend the weekend with a bunch of middle-aged men!
> And I have to say...you have admitted to sending graphic and threatening emails to Dr. Bob and the deputies.
I never said they were graphic and I did not threaten anyone.
>I don't think anyone has done that to you. Are you certain that it's YOU that needs to feel worried for safety and security at any get-together?
Hey, I'm not dangerous! I've never threatened anyone here. I've only written angry things towards Dr. Bob, but I never really mean them. I always make that clear. However, I think there is a real possibility that some people here are very angry with me and do not like me. I got a glimpse of this anger and it frightens me a great deal.
Deneb
Posted by JenStar on September 23, 2005, at 18:57:57
In reply to Re: Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006 » JenStar, posted by Deneb on September 23, 2005, at 18:38:39
Sorry, I didn't see the earlier posts. I still think that if we have to worry about security (maybe from ex-posters?) that maybe a party wouldn't be as much fun. I'm not sure I'd want to go if we feel that there might be security risks! That scares me.
I guess I am a bit worried, now that you bring it up. I was thinking about one of the long0term blocked posters and how THAT person seemed very off-kilter to me... and I am not confident that a person like that wouldn't try to find out personal details and turn into a real-life stalker. So maybe you're right to be paranoid about this!
I think it would be fun to meet you, Deneb. I don't think you're dangerous! I may have misinterpreted some of the previous posts you wrote, and I'm sorry if I did that. I somehow thought you said that you'd made threats (even if idle) to Dr. Bob & crew. I'm sorry if I got it wrong. I believe you that you wouldn't actually DO anything. I know that sometimes we can all get carried away with words.
So I wouldn't be worried about you. But now, as I think about it, I would be worried about some past posters. Hmmmmm.....
why is life so difficult sometimes???
JenStar
Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2005, at 19:03:25
In reply to Re: Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006 » JenStar, posted by Deneb on September 23, 2005, at 18:38:39
>However, I think there is a real possibility that some people here are very angry with me and do not like me. I got a glimpse of this anger and it frightens me a great deal.
I know you have been thinking a little bit about transference... Here is another one:
PROJECTION
Projection is one of the defense mechanisms identified by Freud and still acknowledged today. According to Freud, projection is when someone is threatened by or afraid of their own impulses so they attribute these impulses to someone else.
And so what I'm wondering... Is whether your concern about people being angry with you... Is you projecting the anger / fear that you feel towards yourself onto other people...And maybe that has something to do with why you send stuff that you know is inappropriate.
It is a way of eliciting those feelings in others.
(Not at all meaning to imply that you do this consciously)
But its a way of confirming that other people see you how you see yourself...
Just something to think about...
Feel free to ignore me :-)
Posted by justyourlaugh on October 1, 2005, at 23:57:31
In reply to Re: Hostility and security for Babble Party 2006 » JenStar, posted by Deneb on September 23, 2005, at 18:38:39
i have never email the good dr.inappropriate material..
perhaps your fear is your own realization that you could be dangerous?..
open thoughts about others "frightening" you", that security needs to be inplace is slanderous..dont you?..
Posted by Deneb on October 2, 2005, at 14:16:31
In reply to deneb.., posted by justyourlaugh on October 1, 2005, at 23:57:31
> i have never email the good dr.inappropriate material..
> perhaps your fear is your own realization that you could be dangerous?..
> open thoughts about others "frightening" you", that security needs to be inplace is slanderous..dont you?..
>I've thought that maybe I think I'm dangerous as well, but then I realize that I don't have a history of violence (not really anyways). I've hit my uncle once when I was about 11. I've had fights with my sister when I was younger. Deneb has threatened to kill herself before, but has never actually harmed herself in an attempt to die.
So, I don't think I'm dangerous, at least not to others.
Sorry about the over-reaction on my part. I get scared easily and I don't know how to interpret certain social interactions.
Either way, I don't want to see anyone hurt, and maybe that is the reason I thought of security.
Deneb
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