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Posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
In reply to Re: No, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:12:20
...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:06:10
In reply to I see what you think of me. » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:37:49
> And 51% of American voters.
>It's not that I don't like you, it's just that I feel you are being misled. Hilter was extremely popular in Germany before WW2, but I am sure that the majority of Germans would not have voted for him had they known what he ended up doing. It was the middle class that got him elected too.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:12:33
In reply to - what i was thinking when i voted » Sad Panda, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:01:37
> on that Diebold (*funny name eh?) machine:
>
> "tap tap hello...Is this thing really on?"
>LOL! :)
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:17:15
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
> ...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
>
> Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
>
>I know what you are saying, but it's been more than 3 years since 9/11 & Bush voters still don't understand why 9/11 happened.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:27:56
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
All I'm asking is to not be vilified. I appreciate that. I know how strongly you feel about the election.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
In reply to please come back, Dinah! :) » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 12:43:55
I just realized I had somehow not posted how much I appreciate your words.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
In reply to And have I stopped beating my wife? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
You give a very good impression of talking down to me. I don't think you are a husband/wife beater, but I might be concerned for her well being if he/she was in possession of some crude oil.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 22:47:50
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
I didn't make any assumptions about those who voted differently from me other than that they had a different idea about what was best for the country as a whole.
~~Neither did I. Somehow I think you're trying to put words in my mouth, thoughts that I don't think. I'm sad for that.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:51
In reply to And have I stopped beating my wife? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
Dinah,
I am sure you know as well as anyone that politics brings these kind of discussions. People feel very strongly. I dont know how strongly you feel about how you voted or if you were ever on the fence about the election, but these kinds of discussions are goign to come up especially after the last election.
Im going to just make a suggestion, you can do with it what you will. If these kinds of discussions upset you this much, maybe you want to avoid them.
I am not angry at you, and I do respect you like I said. It seems that you werent happy with my last post either, or maybe you just didnt want to respond to my answer to your question whcih is completely up to you. But I just want to be absolutely clear that while I do like you and respect you and think you are wonderful, I am still very upset about this election. And am shocked that so many people in this country do not see what the vast majority of people outside the country see (and 49% here as well). Its
mindboggling to say the least.In any case, my feeling about the election has little to do with you. I am just trying to help you understand why so many people are so incredibly upset and angry and emotional about this election. So that you dont internalize it so much.
Yoshimi
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:56:40
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 22:47:50
Actually, I said that I didn't think you thought that, and that therefore the two issues were not the same.
Posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
In reply to Thank you too, Jenstar., posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
(((Dinah)))
...although I apparently spoke too soon about the 'political talk' being over. Yikes!
I'm sorry that some people are making personal slurs instead of focusing on global issues. I think sometimes people get carried away and say things they (hopefully!) regret later.
Anyway, take care, take heart...the election talk MUST die down soon (hopefully!) and we can all get back to our regular business here...
JenStar
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:06:31
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:51
I was just distracted by the other poster, not attempting to ignore your post. I appreciate what you said.
I'm not sure I see any point to all of this. My point was to ask Dr. Bob if he considered this civil. Choosing not to read this type of post would not in any way make this better for me. It would just feel like people saying things behind my back. And while I know it's not directed to me in particular, the fact is that it's directed to me. If someone says all people who voted for Bush are XXX, then they are saying that I am XXX. They don't need to name me by name. If something is done to an entire class of people, it is done to a member of that class by default. I'm not taking it personally. I'm taking it as a statement about a class of people, of which I am one.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
> You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
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> Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
>
>LOL!, you are the one posting all the highly insulting (nm) messages.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:19
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:30
In reply to Re: Thank you too, Jenstar. » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
Hi
I appreciate your positivity. But with all due respect, the election has exacerbated my symptoms and freaked the hell out of me. And I am sure I am not the only one, so I can at least say for myself that I feel like it is part of a my life that affects me as strongly as someone with other issues in their life, like relationship problems drug problems school problems work problems or whatever.
Im not trying to be argumentative, I just dont think that curbing talk about the election is the answer. I need to feel free to talk about whatever is bothering me as well as you or anyone else here can talk about what is bothering them.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:13:39
In reply to Re: Thank you too, Jenstar. » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
It is to be wished for, although I'm not holding my breath. I *guess* it was fortunate that I first came to the site in 2001.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:15:37
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:06:31
Ok, well it had appeared to me that
the people you named had apologized.SO I wasnt sure exaclty what you were after.
Sure people shouldnt post insulting things to each other. Does it make you feel better about it if they get a PBC? This part IM not sure of.
I mean I understand that its not civil and all, and of course we all know that.One thing that I am actually curious about is whether you would feel better if the people saying these things got a PBC, or if you would still the same? I just find the dynamics of this site intersting and that is why I am asking.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 23:25:55
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:56:40
sorry, Dinah, i'm tired and my new trifocals are really weirding me out.......i hate them!!
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:27:13
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:15:37
I have no desire for the people who apologized to get a PBC. Why should I? Hurting each other and apologizing are part of a relationship. Every relationship. Gardenergirl and Scott are both people that I respect far more than the average person. They are two of my very favorite people.
What I was saying, probably unclearly, was that I never intended this thread to gain the momentum that it has gained. I have actually tried, clearly unsuccessfully, to keep my input to a minimum to slow down the momentum. Because I'm emotionally divorcing Babble, and I don't want to. It saddens me. It's been a big part of my life. I keep turning here to try to invest myself again, to try to maintain the connection, and things keep happening to break it. And I don't want that to happen.
However, my real purpose, as usual, was to fuss at Dr. Bob. And I still think he deserves to be fussed at.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:29:38
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 23:25:55
I've been successfully avoiding them till now, but it's only a matter of time till taking my glasses off and squinting no longer works.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:30:04
In reply to Insulting? How? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:19
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:40:57
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:27:13
I suppose I would see it as more therapeutically beneficial to ask for an apology and voice your hurt to the people who you felt hurt by then to ask Dr. Bob if it is civil. Because was clear that it was uncivil.
Im sorry you feel that you are divorcing babble. You said "I keep turning here to try to invest myself again, to try to maintain the connection, and things keep happening to break it. And I don't want that to happen."
But to me that happens in relationships all the time and its part of the pain of living in our own heads and no one actually being able to *be* us and have had all the same experiences and DNA and all that makes us the person we are. Im not sure exactly what happened to break it this time.
I guess I just see it as the ups and downs of relationships. Or maybe I am just not understanding what is going on.In any case, I will let this thread stop, I know you seem to want it to. I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:55:47
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:40:57
Well, that was the point. Dr. Bob did his board checks and didn't consider it uncivil. I never really get hurt till that happens.
Perhaps that's something Lou and I have in common and that possibly other people don't share? It's important to me what Dr. Bob does. Dr. Bob acts as a buffer for me. I don't bother getting upset until Dr. Bob doesn't act. It's like people say things and I can let it go without getting overly emotional about it. But if Dr. Bob gives it a tacit seal of approval by passing it without comment, then it's like Babble itself said it.
I dunno. Hard to explain.
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