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Posted by mi nación malvada on October 12, 2004, at 11:33:11
The new, non-confidential psychological tests available on this site reinforce evidence that Hsuing continues to advocate false notions about who is responsible for whose feelings. "Please don't post anything that would lead others to feel hurt or put down."
Well, by those words I certainly can't post the words of the president of an unnamed nation who said "if your not with us, your against us." That was a put down to most of the people in the world.
However, the new tests Hsuing is blatanty using to extract research data from his on-line subjects further reveal both the futility of Hsuings claim that posters are liable for whatever feelings burp up in someones soul when they read the posting and his isolation from mainstream views of his profession, which holds individuals -- not others -- responsible for their feelings. The tests ask, pointedly, if a subject feels people don't like them. Well, go figure. Feeling hurt or put down is recognized as a symptom of depression, so saying it's a beautiful day makes some people feel hurt and put down. Me, for example. But what I do about it is explore the substance of my reaction; I don't promote psychological pogroms against people who don't share my world view.
Hsuing holds as a measure of psychological health an individuals ability to anticipate the feelings of others. That is so bogus. If I was a Baptist professor at a conservative Chicago university, I might have some basis to be able to guess the only standard at play here - Hsuings personal, subjective, prejudiced preferences. But I am more worldly and cosmopolitan. Where I have been, you'd better not blame others for your feeling put down or you will be in a fight with the rest of the world for the rest of your probably short life.
Assigning blame to an "outgroup" for the feelings of an "ingroup" is a basic step toward cult organization. Isolation is the cold darkness in which cult mentality develops. Creating an environment where critical thinking is considered uncivil is the tool used by many cults to create the isolation in which cult doctrines can take hold. Dr. Hsuing is a dangerous manipulator of persons who needs to be put down from his lofty status as a leader in asynchronous electronically networked dialogue. His political inclinations suggest he is allied with despots who are attempting to use military superpower to impose a world dictatorship led by a cabal of technocratics and financiers. We can assume he feeds information gathered from his site to the new secret national police forces and to the major Western pharmaceutical/chemical-warfare companies they protect.
The problem is not that Hsuing's interference in civil dialogue violates flimsy constitutional protections of free speech - as Hsuign explained, this is a private club where the constitution carries little weight. The problem is that his interference with mature, civil dialogue damages the intellectual development of participants. Hsuing would have us embrace his view, where it is okay for his pets to post "are all men pigs" but a person raising serious questions about the psychological health of the culture in which Hsuing has prospered are put down as incivil. Had he the power, I have no doubt he would escalate his pogrom to include imprisonment of those whose feelings about the world contradict his own. His President is already doing exactly that. Simply put, Hsuing is a hate-monger in a white shirt.
His please be civil in response to my postings elsewhere are no more than an initial grab at my collar; the initial hold necessary to effectively escalate a verbal assault in which he will exercise his arbitrary power in his public-but-private club to slap down me and others who challenge him. Hsuing needs to get honest and change his "PBC" diatribe to demand "Please don't post anything that will make me, Robert Hsuing, feel hurt or put down."
Posted by Fi on October 12, 2004, at 14:17:25
In reply to Robert Hsuing still blames others for his feelings, posted by mi nación malvada on October 12, 2004, at 11:33:11
I'm sorry you are so upset about this.
I am posting to point out that I see it all completely differently. Not that we need to agree, of course.
The tests are absolutely voluntary- I for one havent bothered. I have no suspicions at all that this might be a research project- after all, there would be a need for ethical permission etc etc, and it wouldnt be possible to not bother.
It is a difficult balance re who is 'responsible' (if anyone) for what we feel. The cognitive behavioural approach has found that some people have automatic thoughts that give them a bleak view of life, which they can learn to identify and change. But of course there are many other times that there isnt such a cause, where we can do something about it. It should never to considered as someone's 'fault'.
Anyway, there are other ways of interpreting what the purpose of these Boards are.
Apologies if you respond to this message and I dont reply- I am about to have a break from Admin due to the conflict, and off to the more peaceful and supportive world on a different Psychobabble board.
Fi
Posted by Cass on October 12, 2004, at 16:06:56
In reply to Re: Robert Hsuing still blames others for his feelings » mi nación malvada, posted by Fi on October 12, 2004, at 14:17:25
May I ask what tests you two are referring to?
Are you referring to the "watch yourself" feature?
Posted by newwife on October 12, 2004, at 18:59:05
In reply to Robert Hsuing still blames others for his feelings, posted by mi nación malvada on October 12, 2004, at 11:33:11
Posted by mi nación malvada on October 12, 2004, at 21:49:58
In reply to Re: what tests?, posted by Cass on October 12, 2004, at 16:06:56
Yes, those tests. Thanks to all of you for taking my posts seriously, considering I spent little time editing and even less time building rapport.
Posted by Cass on October 14, 2004, at 15:23:10
In reply to Robert Hsuing still blames others for his feelings, posted by mi nación malvada on October 12, 2004, at 11:33:11
I hope you keep posting when you become unblocked, mi nacion. I must say that I don't agree with your assesment of Dr. Bob, but in any case, here's the motto I try to adhere to when I'm really frustrated by something: "Be the change that you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
Posted by B2Chica on October 15, 2004, at 10:31:32
In reply to Re: Robert Hsuing » mi nación malvada, posted by Cass on October 14, 2004, at 15:23:10
"Be the change that you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
THAT is So inspiring Cass!
that otta be our slogan here.
b2c.
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