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Posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 12:11:53
One should always be aware that it is possible to have a troll come to one of the Psycho Babble boards.
(Dr. Bob, I'm not quite sure how explicit I can get in expressing a concern without getting a PBC. Or maybe rather than mentioning it, I should ignore such a potential situation and assume that it would just dissipate?)
Emme
Posted by justyourlaugh on October 22, 2003, at 12:17:55
In reply to trolling...??, posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 12:11:53
cant you email the good doctor about your concerns?
i thought "trolling"is something you do on the back of a boat?
j
Posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 13:04:09
In reply to Re: trolling...??, posted by justyourlaugh on October 22, 2003, at 12:17:55
> cant you email the good doctor about your concerns?
Good idea. I didn't think of that.
Posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 13:24:31
In reply to trolling...??, posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 12:11:53
> One should always be aware that it is possible to have a troll come to one of the Psycho Babble boards.
<<OK, I vaguely know that a troll is someone who causes a bunch of uproar or something...is that right? Could you fill me in, in my ignorance?
:-)
Susan
Posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 14:12:25
In reply to What is Trolling? » Emme, posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 13:24:31
> > One should always be aware that it is possible to have a troll come to one of the Psycho Babble boards.
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> <<OK, I vaguely know that a troll is someone who causes a bunch of uproar or something...is that right? Could you fill me in, in my ignorance?
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> :-)
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> SusanYeah, that's about right. Tabitha put up some info on a thread above and I did a google search on internet trolling and found a couple of sites with long descriptions of trolling, classification of trolls (recreational trolls vs. psycho trolls, levels of troll skill), etc. It seems they're seeking attention, or trying to stir things up and get some emotional chaos going just for kicks.
One of the sites said that some trolls register for a board pretending to be an established poster by using a screen name that's one character off, like a dot missing, or a "1" for an "l", and therefore looks the same at first glance. If they're really dedicated, they'll study the writing styles of established members and try to imitate them. I don't think anything that sneaky is happening here. But it made for interesting reading.
Posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 14:33:04
In reply to Re: What is Trolling? » Susan J, posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 14:12:25
Emme,
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> One of the sites said that some trolls register for a board pretending to be an established poster by using a screen name that's one character off, like a dot missing, or a "1" for an "l", and therefore looks the same at first glance.
<<I was told that happened here a few months ago...I wouldn't know how to spot one, I don't think. Some people have some unique writing styles. Sometimes it seems a poster might be trying to bother people, but I don't know if there's intent there, or just a glitch in actually communicating by writing....
Thanks for the info. Who woulda thunk something like that has risen to an art form? :-)
Susan
Posted by justyourlaugh on October 22, 2003, at 15:06:08
In reply to Re: What is Trolling? » Emme, posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 14:33:04
i feel that way sometimes too..
ill get a post that i am sure was ment to prevoke me...
but...i have posted to others and they thought i was trying to bother them...or was perverted..lol..
j
Posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 15:36:02
In reply to Re: What is Trolling? » Susan J, posted by justyourlaugh on October 22, 2003, at 15:06:08
"Mischievously posting a deliberately erroneous or obtuse message to a newsgroup in order to tempt others to reply – usually in a way that makes them appear gullible, intemperate or foolish."
What a waste of time
Posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 15:41:04
In reply to Internet Trolling, posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 15:36:02
*Beware The Troll:
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm*What you can do about them:
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
Posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 15:45:52
In reply to Internet Trolling, posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 15:36:02
> "Mischievously posting a deliberately erroneous or obtuse message to a newsgroup in order to tempt others to reply – usually in a way that makes them appear gullible, intemperate or foolish."
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> What a waste of time<<Hookay......and I thought *I* had emotional issues. :-)
Susan
Posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 15:54:25
In reply to Re: Internet Trolling » galkeepinon, posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 15:45:52
How do I tell if a poster is a troll? What if I'm not sure?
Consider the poster's prior posts (if any). If the post is out of character, he/she may just be in a bad mood, or the topic may have touched a nerve. If it's a new poster, he/she may not be familiar with board etiquette. Assume the best, and try responding with a polite, friendly message.
You'll generally be able to tell by their reaction whether they're a troll or not. Someone who's willing to negotiate, who backs down when called on his/her behavior, or apologizes, is not a troll. Trolls will argue "hello & welcome" if that's all they have to work with. If the poster responds in a trolly manner, do not continue the conversation.How do I avoid being labeled a troll?
The best way to keep from being considered a troll is to follow the posting guidelines and basic rules of courtesy. Remember, there is a person behind each post. Keep your criticisms to the writing; do not personally attack the writer. For example, "I noticed some spelling and grammar problems in your story. Here are a few examples…" is appropriate, whereas "Did you drop out of school in sixth grade? Your spelling sucks." is not.
A good rule of thumb: Don't post anything you wouldn't want someone to say to you, nor anything you wouldn't say to someone "in real life", i.e. to their face.
If you do post something in the heat of the moment, and later regret it, apologize, and then move on. Don't dwell on it, or beat yourself up about it.
*from Internet Trolls © 2001 by Timothy Campbell
:-) KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! :-)
Posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 16:03:54
In reply to Re: Internet Trolling » galkeepinon, posted by Susan J on October 22, 2003, at 15:45:52
>>>>>Hookay......and I thought *I* had emotional issues. :-)
KEYWORD=MischievousBUT, you, me, most of us here don't 'Mischievously' post :-)
Bob does a GOOD job in seeing to that the board is safe ;-)Speaking of trolling, I have the day off and I'm 'trolling' on in to to take a nap.
Cya
> > "Mischievously posting a deliberately erroneous or obtuse message to a newsgroup in order to tempt others to reply – usually in a way that makes them appear gullible, intemperate or foolish."
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> > What a waste of time
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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2003, at 0:08:33
In reply to trolling...??, posted by Emme on October 22, 2003, at 12:11:53
> I'm not quite sure how explicit I can get in expressing a concern without getting a PBC. Or maybe rather than mentioning it, I should ignore such a potential situation and assume that it would just dissipate?
It is in fact always an option just to ignore a situation = leave it to me to deal with. But it would be nice to be able to express your concern, too...
Galkeepinon linked to Internet Trolls:
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
where Timothy Campbell says:
> Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:
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> > The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. For one thing, "troll" is pejorative... Instead, how about posting something like:
> Different points of view are fine, but sometimes discussions just lead to discord and it may be best just not to respond. Once source of more information about this issue is at:
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> http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htmMaybe I should add something to the FAQ?
Bob
Posted by galkeepinon on October 23, 2003, at 2:17:36
In reply to Re: trolling, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2003, at 0:08:33
>>>>>It is in fact always an option just to ignore a situation = leave it to me to deal with. But it would be nice to be able to express your concern, too...
Great Idea Bob! Like I said in an email to you about it "being your job"...I personally ignore who I want and where I want if I feel ANY kind of abuse or act of 'choice' among another poster. In ALL due respect, AND proper civility, I've had enough rejection, and emotional abuse in my life, and I'll be darned if I will allow ANYONE to continue that, especially on the internet, 'troll' or not.
Again, *I* personally just ignore 'them' when I can expend so much more productive energy on more positive things...
>>>Maybe I should add something to the FAQ?Yeah!!:-) How about just what you say here? OR
perhaps something like this:
(and you can copy the link per the article)Give the link, and say perhaps something like this:
FAQ: 'Internet Trolls' (or insert YOUR choosing name):
(in YOUR wording, of course)
"One source of information about this issue is at: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
It is in fact, always an option just to ignore a post that you feel disruptive, that bothers you, makes you feel usafe,(insert any other of your words/feelings,etc. here), I will oversee the posting and will do what I feel necessary to keep my board in 'tact'(maybe another term?). It is of course nice to be able to express your concern, too, therefore, if you do, please keep in mind issues regarding civility in your post(s). This (my) board/forum indeed includes many different
points of view, but sometimes discussions just lead to discord and it may be best just not to respond."Something to that effect...
What do you think?
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2003, at 10:08:07
In reply to Re: trolling » Dr. Bob, posted by galkeepinon on October 23, 2003, at 2:17:36
> > Maybe I should add something to the FAQ?
>
> Yeah!!:-) How about just what you say here?I tried something like that:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
What do you think?
Bob
Posted by galkeepinon on October 23, 2003, at 22:01:07
In reply to Re: trolling, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2003, at 10:08:07
>>>>http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> What do you think?
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> BobI think it looks GREAT! I don't think there is anything else you can put, unless, of course, 'something' comes up in the future, which *I* have every confidence you will 'take care of'.
AWESOME:-)
Posted by Emme on October 24, 2003, at 8:35:24
In reply to Re: trolling, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2003, at 10:08:07
Looks good to me!
Emme
> > > Maybe I should add something to the FAQ?
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> > Yeah!!:-) How about just what you say here?
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> I tried something like that:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> What do you think?
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> Bob
Posted by Liligoth on October 26, 2003, at 22:38:46
In reply to Re: Internet Trolling » Susan J, posted by galkeepinon on October 22, 2003, at 16:03:54
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> BUT, you, me, most of us here don't 'Mischievously' post :-)> > > "Mischievously posting a deliberately erroneous or obtuse message to a newsgroup in order to tempt others to reply – usually in a way that makes them appear gullible, intemperate or foolish."
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> > > What a waste of time<snip>
*Choke*!!
Posted by galkeepinon on October 27, 2003, at 0:10:07
In reply to Re: Internet Trolling » galkeepinon, posted by Liligoth on October 26, 2003, at 22:38:46
Thanks Liligoth that made me feel really good.
Please be civil and don't worry I definately know who to steer clear of.
Take care.
And that's all I have to say about that...
not revisiting this issue> <snip>
> > BUT, you, me, most of us here don't 'Mischievously' post :-)
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Posted by Liligoth on October 29, 2003, at 20:10:51
In reply to Re: Internet Trolling » Liligoth, posted by galkeepinon on October 27, 2003, at 0:10:07
> Thanks Liligoth that made me feel really good.
> Please be civil and don't worry I definately know who to steer clear of.
> Take care.
> And that's all I have to say about that...
> not revisiting this issue
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> > > BUT, you, me, most of us here don't 'Mischievously' post :-)
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> > > > > "Mischievously posting a deliberately erroneous or obtuse message to a newsgroup in order to tempt others to reply – usually in a way that makes them appear gullible, intemperate or foolish."
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>oh, I thought you were being ironic & it made me choke on my coffee & now it seems I have offended you. Sorry, my assumption was obviously incorrect. I didnt mean to offend, was trying to be friendly.
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