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Posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
I don't want to stay on PB2000 all the time and I post on the other boards.
It would be kinda sad to see us geezers dessert the other boards. It's not right, IMHO, to just drop the other boards. I'd like to see our names
popping up with frequency on PB and PSB. Seems to me we may post less on the other boards and I, for one, think the other boards still need or want our support.Alot of us don't post on PB anymore because if we see another 'weaning off Effexor' post, we'll go nuts!
Anyway, how do y'all feel about whatever it was I just said?
Posted by Anyuser on April 25, 2002, at 19:07:52
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
> I don't want to stay on PB2000 all the time and I post on the other boards.
>
> It would be kinda sad to see us geezers dessert the other boards. It's not right, IMHO, to just drop the other boards. I'd like to see our names
> popping up with frequency on PB and PSB. Seems to me we may post less on the other boards and I, for one, think the other boards still need or want our support.
>
> Alot of us don't post on PB anymore because if we see another 'weaning off Effexor' post, we'll go nuts!
>
> Anyway, how do y'all feel about whatever it was I just said?You have thoughtful opinions on the dynamics and uses of these different boards. I am interested to know (and please don't take this wrong): why did you choose to address a message to old timers on this board instead of the 2000 board?
Posted by Greg on April 25, 2002, at 19:42:01
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
> I don't want to stay on PB2000 all the time and I post on the other boards.
>
> It would be kinda sad to see us geezers dessert the other boards. It's not right, IMHO, to just drop the other boards. I'd like to see our names
> popping up with frequency on PB and PSB. Seems to me we may post less on the other boards and I, for one, think the other boards still need or want our support.
>
> Alot of us don't post on PB anymore because if we see another 'weaning off Effexor' post, we'll go nuts!
>
> Anyway, how do y'all feel about whatever it was I just said?Phil,
Never had any intention of deserting the other boards. I've never been a big PB poster since it became an all med board because I don't have a lot of med knowledge, but I do contribute once in awhile. I post at PSB a little more frequently. I don't see this changing. I don't ever want anyone to think that just because there is a new board that means I don't want to be supportive of the people that can't post there. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Just wish we could get back to supporting each other and stop giving Bob so much damned research data for his next paper :)
Greg
Posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 20:08:35
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may » Phil, posted by Greg on April 25, 2002, at 19:42:01
Anyuser, Thanks for reminding me. I meant to do that. I will try to redirect w/o screwing up.
And Greg, he must have enough data to publish a whole bunch of stuff. Glad he doesn't have our picture. : )
Posted by tina on April 25, 2002, at 20:58:07
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 20:08:35
I hardly ever posted to the other boards because I didn't know anyone so I'll likely stick to the 2000 board. But, there are others who are very knowledgable and I hope they stay on the other boards too.
Dernit Phil, yer always thinkun' 'bout the impertant stuff!! :)
Oh wise one..........8-)
Posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 21:01:34
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by tina on April 25, 2002, at 20:58:07
Posted by tina on April 25, 2002, at 21:48:41
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by tina on April 25, 2002, at 20:58:07
Posted by Shar on April 26, 2002, at 1:06:45
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by tina on April 25, 2002, at 20:58:07
Posted by Zo on April 26, 2002, at 5:04:58
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
Posted by Deb R on April 26, 2002, at 8:13:38
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
Hey Phil,
At the moment I am in a delicious state of nostalgia, remembering people whose posts I used to always read. Lots of times I would print off people's posts and I have kept them to read again. I was surprised and pleased to see how many there were which made me realise that there was so much support out there. I dont think I fully appreciated it a the time, I was too caught up with stuff that was happening with me.
I think once you kind of get to know people at PB, the next stage is something like this board where those friendships can expand to whatever the next level may be.
I will always read posts at PB, but I do come to this board first now. There are others who will step up with support and information, just as many did for me and others in trouble. If I can help anyone I will gladly step in with support and whatever info I have that may help. Rach is a great example of someone who is doing so well, but she still pops back here to check on how we are all doing.
God I love this place - I am glad it is expanding as to me it is a natural progression - deepening of friendship should result. I kind of like the idea of not thinking about meds and side effects and having somewhere to go to just for a chat and catchup.
What do you think about what I have written Phil? Do hope it makes sense, I tend to ramble on a bit I think. My excuse for todays ramblings is that I have had a few champagnes.....woohhooo now thats a yummo drink!
Bye for now,
Love,
Deb.
Posted by Deb R on April 26, 2002, at 8:26:30
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
Whoa, Admin sure is jumping.....I came across to see if my post came here and boy the board is full of debate.
Deb.
Posted by Krazy Kat on April 26, 2002, at 9:58:44
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
Posted by judy1 on April 26, 2002, at 11:49:25
In reply to Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may, posted by Phil on April 25, 2002, at 18:43:58
Agree 100% Greg, I always make the rounds (except for psycho-babble :-), but I do tend to land up here. Comfort level maybe- Take care, Judy
Posted by Zo on April 26, 2002, at 19:21:57
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers.....if I may » Phil, posted by judy1 on April 26, 2002, at 11:49:25
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020420/msgs/4488.html
. . .he didn't seem to agree.
Posted by jay on April 26, 2002, at 19:31:35
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers....crikey!, posted by Deb R on April 26, 2002, at 8:26:30
Well, I have to agree with Greg, and I notice it now, as it seems there is less support from people who have the most to offer. That is, folks who have been around awhile and have the experience with psychiatry and meds and such. I *always* thought a key component of this board was to offer help as well as get it. As Doc Bob say's, it's "Good to give and receive..". I see much less of support esp. on PB, and newer people with med issues who are crying for help many who have been around could relate to. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
Jay
Posted by allisonm on April 26, 2002, at 21:54:40
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers..pls read, posted by jay on April 26, 2002, at 19:31:35
Hi Jay,
I agree with your observations that less OTs are contributing on the PB board. It IS good to give and receive. I do give, but not as often.
I have taken Remeron, Wellbutrin, Lithium, Zoloft, Effexor XR, Celexa, Serzone, and Neurontin. I am/was on Remeron, Wellbutrin and Serzone for the longest time, so am most inclined to comment on those drugs because I feel I have a fair amount of experience with them. For the others, my experiences were short-lived. I basically couldn't tolerate them and eventually got off 'em.
If I see a thread on Rem, WB, or Serzone, I usually read it. If someone already has said what I was going to say, I don't bother. If I have a different opinion, I share it. But when I see a thread that says something to the effect of "Any side-effects on ----," I do read them, but I also feel a little frustrated.
When I came to PB, Remeron was so new that only 1 or 2 people had had experience. They helped as much as they could. Now there are what feels like thousands of threads.
I usually do a fair amount of research on new drugs that my pdoc gives me. When I do that, I search the web and PB archives first to see whether my questions have been answered before. I get the feeling that no one does that anymore, or else they don't know to look, or they don't want to spend the time.
A couple of summers ago, I spent many hours compiling a page devoted Remeron and a page for Wellbutrin. There are links for them at the top of the PB page. They are fairly chock-full of information. I even did my own searches through the archives and added all of the threads I could find on the 2 drugs. Heck, I even categorized them in subjects such as "side-effects" or "use with other drugs" then listed each drug reference in a separate folder.
I did a spot check a few minutes ago, and find that most of the links still are good. There are some threads that come up 404, tho. I don't know why that is. I had planned to keep adding new threads on Rem and WB as they appeared. For some reason, I thought they would be added (my mistake). However, the threads that I did have were updated with new posts as they came in.
I don't have time anymore to go through and add the new threads to the pages, but I believe the basic information that most folks want is there.
I also feel frustrated because I don't think anyone visits those pages. They just ask the same questions over and over and over again.
So yes, I understand and agree with you. I do contribute when I can and when it might help...it's just hard sometimes when it's the 20th time and I know there is a lot of information already there that no one is bothering to look at.
Posted by Anyuser on April 26, 2002, at 22:24:18
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers..pls read » jay, posted by allisonm on April 26, 2002, at 21:54:40
"Psycho-Babble certainly has a relatively small core of "very important posters." These may be mental health professionals or "merely" knowledgeable and caring lay people. A critical mass is vital because of positive feedback: the more posts that there are, the more readers that are attracted; the more readers that are attracted, the more posters-and the more very important posters-that are attracted; and the more posters that are attracted, the more posts there will be. The very important posters are very important not only because they drive this feedback, but also because each is responsible for a significant amount of the total support and education provided."
Posted by Shar on April 27, 2002, at 0:56:15
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers..pls read » jay, posted by allisonm on April 26, 2002, at 21:54:40
I was thinking, when I read Jay's post, finally something I can't be accused of! If there is less support on PB now, it's not because I'm suddenly absent. I quit going there months ago, doing only the occasional spot check now and then. I think my last time there, there were about 6 threads on the very same topic (starting to take xyz, or weaning off of xyz, etc.).
Like you, Ali, I always did a lot of research on the internet and had my favorite places to go (where I could understand what they were talking about), so by the time I got to PB I had a basic understanding of my meds and potential side-effects, etc. Now, *IT SEEMS* that people come to PB without doing much research, or reading the documentation that comes with their meds, nor do they seem to use the information sources here at this site, nor do they seem to search the archives for info. It's sometimes like "I'm starting xyz, what should I know about it?"
I'm not saying anybody SHOULD do searches, etc., people can and will do what they want. I'm saying that I might be a more frequent visitor to PB if people seemed to research/go as far as they could, and THEN asked questions. In fact, when I was very newbie here, most of my questions were answered by semi-newbies, and the most knowledgeable people, it seemed, took on the more complicated questions. A sensible way to operate.
So, I wonder if this 'drastic' drop in support on PB is a direct result of the 2000 board (which doesn't make much sense to me, as we aren't all that numerous or active over there...) or if it is the normal ebb and flow of members, combined with the energy that's been stirred up by the everlasting debate over the 2000 board....that undoubtedly has an effect on posters, especially newbies, I would think, even if they are not involved in the discussion.
Shar
> Hi Jay,
>
> I agree with your observations that less OTs are contributing on the PB board. It IS good to give and receive. I do give, but not as often.
>
> I have taken Remeron, Wellbutrin, Lithium, Zoloft, Effexor XR, Celexa, Serzone, and Neurontin. I am/was on Remeron, Wellbutrin and Serzone for the longest time, so am most inclined to comment on those drugs because I feel I have a fair amount of experience with them. For the others, my experiences were short-lived. I basically couldn't tolerate them and eventually got off 'em.
>
> If I see a thread on Rem, WB, or Serzone, I usually read it. If someone already has said what I was going to say, I don't bother. If I have a different opinion, I share it. But when I see a thread that says something to the effect of "Any side-effects on ----," I do read them, but I also feel a little frustrated.
>
> When I came to PB, Remeron was so new that only 1 or 2 people had had experience. They helped as much as they could. Now there are what feels like thousands of threads.
>
> I usually do a fair amount of research on new drugs that my pdoc gives me. When I do that, I search the web and PB archives first to see whether my questions have been answered before. I get the feeling that no one does that anymore, or else they don't know to look, or they don't want to spend the time.
>
> A couple of summers ago, I spent many hours compiling a page devoted Remeron and a page for Wellbutrin. There are links for them at the top of the PB page. They are fairly chock-full of information. I even did my own searches through the archives and added all of the threads I could find on the 2 drugs. Heck, I even categorized them in subjects such as "side-effects" or "use with other drugs" then listed each drug reference in a separate folder.
>
> I did a spot check a few minutes ago, and find that most of the links still are good. There are some threads that come up 404, tho. I don't know why that is. I had planned to keep adding new threads on Rem and WB as they appeared. For some reason, I thought they would be added (my mistake). However, the threads that I did have were updated with new posts as they came in.
>
> I don't have time anymore to go through and add the new threads to the pages, but I believe the basic information that most folks want is there.
>
> I also feel frustrated because I don't think anyone visits those pages. They just ask the same questions over and over and over again.
>
> So yes, I understand and agree with you. I do contribute when I can and when it might help...it's just hard sometimes when it's the 20th time and I know there is a lot of information already there that no one is bothering to look at.
Posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:21:34
In reply to From Dr. Bob's article, posted by Anyuser on April 26, 2002, at 22:24:18
> "Psycho-Babble certainly has a relatively small core of "very important posters." These may be mental health professionals or "merely" knowledgeable and caring lay people. A critical mass is vital because of positive feedback: the more posts that there are, the more readers that are attracted; the more readers that are attracted, the more posters-and the more very important posters-that are attracted; and the more posters that are attracted, the more posts there will be. The very important posters are very important not only because they drive this feedback, but also because each is responsible for a significant amount of the total support and education provided."
Anyuser, I just *had* to post this again and draw attention to it, thanks! This is why I feel there should be one, and only, PB. Will SOMEONE please listen! This is getting unfair.
Jay
Posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:27:01
In reply to You hit the nail on the head, Ali, posted by Shar on April 27, 2002, at 0:56:15
It is not just a matter of getting some 'knowledge' from here, because any search-engine can provide the basics. It is the 1-to-1 support that is vital, from folks with many, many questions on a 'personal' level, not from a textbook, and we have *all* benefited from this. We have an obligation to continue so, if the importance of PB is to continue.Jay
Posted by Janelle on April 27, 2002, at 3:18:51
In reply to Re: Pls read above post re: Dr. Bobs research » Shar, posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:27:01
Posted by Zo on April 27, 2002, at 3:24:53
In reply to Re: Pls read above post re: Dr. Bobs research » Shar, posted by jay on April 27, 2002, at 1:27:01
Still, something is different this year--and I don't know what it is. When I first came on PB last summer, I was amazed at the level of knowledge here, truly amazed. In late September, I dropped off the board, and when I came back, in January, feeling so much better and wanting to return the favor. .. it really did and still does seem that the level of the dialogue dropped. Now it *is* a steady stream of WOE posts, with a few places one can be of use, in between.
You're not going to be able to pin this on 2000! It's just not the case. Someone here longer than I might know, is this a cycle, is PB more popular, are newbies less well-informed about doing their own searches? I suspect there is a certain web-entropy going on, an unavoidable list phenomenon. Things change---often, it seems to those who like them the way they are, for the worse.
And sometimes, if you practice a certain kind of letting go, things do readjust themselves, things work out.
Zo
Posted by Krazy Kat on April 27, 2002, at 8:20:30
In reply to Re: Suggestion for old-timers..pls read, posted by jay on April 26, 2002, at 19:31:35
jay, this bothered me as well, though i definitely need to try to help out more there, too.
i think during my sabatical, or whatever the correct word is, i will try to check in on the med board.
come to chat sometimes!!
- kk
Posted by Anyuser on April 27, 2002, at 8:58:56
In reply to WHERE CAN DR. BOB's ARTICLE BE FOUND? (nm), posted by Janelle on April 27, 2002, at 3:18:51
Posted by Janelle on April 28, 2002, at 2:23:40
In reply to Re: WHERE CAN DR. BOB's ARTICLE BE FOUND? » Janelle, posted by Anyuser on April 27, 2002, at 8:58:56
Thanks for the link to Dr. Bob's article. I downloaded it with the Adobe Acrobat, but my condition and the tiny print there made it extremely difficult for me to focus on it.
Would you be so kind as to tell me what page the excerpt you found is on?
Also, how did you copy/paste it from Adobe to here?
Thanks ever so much.
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