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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 7:27:39
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on March 2, 2002, at 1:51:47
Kiddo'
There was a person that parroted the communist dictator, Joseph Stalin, in saying that "Freedom of speech belongs only to those that own the printing press" Was that you?
Stalin also allowed his people to beat and plunder and kill jews openly without admonition. (Pogrims). Just because you accept that Dr. Bob is the judge , jury and executioner, doesn't mean that others have to. Just because you are not hurt by the things that I am hurt by doesn;t mean that I should allow it.
Dr. Bob has a doctor's degree in his field and he knows what hurts people. He knew that I was a champion of free speech for I defened "3 beers". He knew that I would be greatly hurt by his email to me saying that "You will not have freedom of speech here, Lou Pilder" That hurt me and he knew it would hurt me. He knew that I came from the time of the Nazi holocost and that being treated in an arbitrary, or descriminatory or caprecious manner would hurt me. He knew that I had posted that "All men are created equal" and that treating me unequally would hurt me. He knew that anyone that is scolded would be hurt. He knew that by allowing people to ridicule me, that that would hurt me. He allowed a person to tell the group "not to listen to him" He called me a chateten and accused me of trying to bring people into a cult. That person went unadmonished by Dr. Bob. We are adults with severe afflictions that we didn't get on our own. We do not and can not be held to an arbitray, capricious or descrimintory standaed.Dr. Bob knows that and cannot be held innocent. No one has to guess at what another will think of what they say and then be subjected to the forced blocking for what they said. I was not allowed to defend. My joy of posting was taken from me. I was entrapped.
I will be permantly blocked as soon as Dr. Bob reads this. I will have the sorrow and pain that he has inflicted upon me for a while but I will overcome. For I have overcom greater abuses. I will overcome this horrible unAmerican experiance that I have been subjected to on this board.
Shabott Shalom;
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 8:34:23
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by Lou Pilder on March 1, 2002, at 23:23:33
Hi Lou,
I hope you remember that I told you that I hoped I always had the courage to stand up for what I thought was right.
Well, I don't think Dr. Bob is sadistic, and it troubles me to hear him called sadistic. It's clear from my posts that I thought your banning was precipitous and based on a misunderstanding, but I never thought he was sadistic. In fact I have found him to be extraordinarily kind on many occasions. Please read the thread on What to do while you are banned, where Dr. Bob makes clear that no insult is intended.
Dr. Bob did allow you to post again after a week, and I hope you make the best possible use of that privilege, because the ability to post here is a privilege, not a right guaranteed under any constitution.
I admire the Lou Pilder who stuck calmly to his message while firmly remaining civil to those around him. I had wondered if your conduct had something to do with one of the gates you had yet to share with us. You had shared with us gates 1 and 2, forgiveness and love of mankind. While, again, I have no desire to join you on your path, since my own brings me great peace and joy, I do find that the ideas of forgiveness and caritas to be wonderful ideas. They bring to the person forgiving and loving more peace than they bring to the person loved and forgiven.Why don't you come to the Social board and share the rest of your journey. This board is read by many more than those who post, and your message may reach many, even if they don't choose to reply.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 10:34:26
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 8:34:23
Dinah;
Look at the post above this thread from Canine Eater. In that thread, Krazy Kat pours salt into this poor impaired persons wounds. The person is being used by Krazy Kat for KK says to "take a grammer course" The person is obviously impaired( or he wouldn't have come to this board) and KK is allowed to beat up on him. Dr. Bob even blocked Canine eater for another week but let KK demean and degrade this poor fellow. No one has any compassion for Canine eater and others are allowed by Dr. Bob to humiliate him. I was humiliated by Dr. Bob. I was publically scolded by Dr. Bob. I was treated like an animal that should be kicked out. That hurts. It hurts me the same as anyone else. I am inpaired just like all of us here. Why are people like KK allowed to go unscathed and I am scolded arbitrerily? Dr. Bob emailed me and said,"You are not going to have free speech here, Lou Pilder" I was trying to give help to a person on that post that Dr. Bob blocked me from. Is it unlawfull to help? KK is not helping Canaineater and KK's post is unadmonished by Dr. Bob. Could you possibly feel the pain that I am feeling ?
Lou
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 10:50:24
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 10:34:26
>Could you possibly feel the pain that I am feeling ?
> LouOf course I can, Lou. That's why I referred you to the first two gates on your road. Forgiveness and charity are the only things that can ease your pain. Carrying anger can only be hurtful to you. I know it's hard, but I hope you can find the strength to open those two doors.
Incidentally, Krazy Kat is a dear friend of mine. She was angry with an attack on Dr. Bob. I was as well. I am quite fond of Dr. Bob and appreciate his work here.
I don't want to do anything to increase your pain, Lou. But it hurts me when my friends are mentioned in a negative way in a post to me. And it makes me feel somehow responsible.
So I hope you will be respectful enough of my own difficulties that you won't refer to anyone else in your posts to me. We can talk to each other without bringing anyone else into it, can't we?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:22:50
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 10:50:24
Dinah;
You say that KK can go unadmonished because she is a friend of yours. You also say that you are fond of Dr. Bob so you will allow him to allow
kk to humiliate Canineater.
When I was a teacher, I turned in a student that I apprehended stealing. The assistant principal said to me, "I am not going to punish her because she lives in my neighborhood." ( now the asst. principal would have punished her if the student was bussed from the other side of the tracks). The assistant principal favored the girl like you are favoring KK and Dr. Bob. This is abhorant to me. It is an outrage to every person on this board .
Lou
Posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 11:30:24
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:22:50
Lou, I'm sorry but I just don't feel up to this right now. I never said what you accused me of saying and never intended what you accused me of intending. And if you'll remember, I spoke up on your behalf as well. So you know I try to be fair.
I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. I only intended to help. But my attempts don't seem to be helpful to you, so...
Best wishes,
Dinah
Posted by trouble on March 2, 2002, at 11:36:21
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 6:14:32
Lou,
Thank you for replying so promptly and thoroughly to my inquiries.I will say two things and then let it go:
Your crying wolf is getting a little embarrassing. Your post was not deleted. I just read it, including the huge paragraph predicting its annihilation. That could be taken as showing disrespect to your fellows on this board, we have other fish to fry besides your apocalyptic hysteria. Which I take seriously, it's apparent that you are in agony over something, put please try to sit w/ your feelings today, maybe something new will become apparent. I will think about you all day, Lou, and send you my friendship.
2. Here's where I play Hardball, pal. No one made you give your real name to this community. You chose your handle just like the rest of us. Any public humiliation that results from your involvement is your responsiblity pardner.
trouble
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:39:14
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on March 2, 2002, at 11:30:24
Dinah;
Good luck to you also. You have given me inspiration to remain on this board when you came to my defense 2 weeks ago. Without your post, I would have not come back.
I am going to go back to the first Gate . We all have to return to the first Gate for all of , like sheep, have gone astray.
But there is another Gate that I have not talked about yet. It is a Gate that you dig a hole and bury the rotting corpses in our lives. It is where you cover the rotting corpse with dirt and don't dig it back up again. I am going to bury all of this and cover it over and it will not be seen again. For love covers, for love covers a multitude, for love covers a multitude of sins.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:54:32
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by trouble on March 2, 2002, at 11:36:21
Trouble;
If I used a fake name, nothing would be changed. I really do not understand your point here but don't answer me and take away from your day on this for it is not important to me.
I was expecting to be blocked from this board permanatly and I am suprised that it has not happenend yet.
Lou
Posted by kiddo on March 2, 2002, at 11:56:20
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 7:27:39
> Kiddo'
> There was a person that parroted the communist dictator, Joseph Stalin, in saying that "Freedom of speech belongs only to those that own the printing press" Was that you?Nope not me, I 'parrot' no one, I speak my own mind, besides, I think Stalin was wrong with that too, he didn't mention anything about consequences.
> Stalin also allowed his people to beat and plunder and kill jews openly without admonition. (Pogrims). Just because you accept that Dr. Bob is the judge , jury and executioner, doesn't mean that others have to. Just because you are not hurt by the things that I am hurt by doesn;t mean that I should allow it.
No, others don't have to accept anything, but it IS his board. Did I say I wasn't hurt? Because I don't mention it, doesn't mean that never happens. You should know me a little more before you speak my feelings. Thank you.
> Dr. Bob has a doctor's degree in his field and he knows what hurts people. He knew that I was a champion of free speech for I defened "3 beers". He knew that I would be greatly hurt by his email to me saying that "You will not have freedom of speech here, Lou Pilder" That hurt me and he knew it would hurt me. He knew that I came from the time of the Nazi holocost and that being treated in an arbitrary, or descriminatory or caprecious manner would hurt me. He knew that I had posted that "All men are created equal" and that treating me unequally would hurt me. He knew that anyone that is scolded would be hurt. He knew that by allowing people to ridicule me, that that would hurt me. He allowed a person to tell the group "not to listen to him" He called me a chateten and accused me of trying to bring people into a cult. That person went unadmonished by Dr. Bob. We are adults with severe afflictions that we didn't get on our own. We do not and can not be held to an arbitray, capricious or descrimintory standaed.Dr. Bob knows that and cannot be held innocent. No one has to guess at what another will think of what they say and then be subjected to the forced blocking for what they said. I was not allowed to defend. My joy of posting was taken from me. I was entrapped.He doesn't necessarily know what hurts people. Just as you don't know what hurts me and what doesn't. Something that may hurt one, may not hurt another. Perhaps that's why one person will be banned for something and not another.
> I will be permantly blocked as soon as Dr. Bob reads this. I will have the sorrow and pain that he has inflicted upon me for a while but I will overcome. For I have overcom greater abuses. I will overcome this horrible unAmerican experiance that I have been subjected to on this board.
> Shabott Shalom;
> Lou PilderBut you also said in one of the posts I replied to was that you were going to try and get yourself banned today and be proud to be American when that happened. If you 'know' you'll be banned why did you post it? I can't speak for anything that was said in private email, because it wasn't mine. I didn't see the 'conversation' that took place.
May I ask what 'Shabot Shalom' means?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 12:06:08
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on March 2, 2002, at 11:56:20
Kiddo;
I did not say that I was going to try to get myself banned today.
Shabott Shalom means:
Shalom means peace (Hebrew)
Shabott is the Sabath
Have peace on this Sabbath
The City of Peace is Jeru Sholom (Jerusalem)
But evry day can be the Sabbath.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 13:41:48
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:54:32
Dr. Bob and Group members;
I apologise and retract any negative commments that I made that were directed to Dr. Bob and the others on this board. I spoke rashly and I am sorry for doing so. I am asking Dr. Bob and the others to forgive me for what I said. I came to this board for I thought that it was the best place for people that wanted to discuss their afflictions and desparations. I still feel that way and have met some wonderfull people on this board who also share that purpose. I hope that we can all make ,at least, one step forward from all of our postings.
Forgive me,
Lou Pilder
Posted by christophrejmc on March 2, 2002, at 16:06:56
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 11:54:32
These are two rules of civility from another board, but I think they may apply in your situation:
RIGHTEOUS RELIGIOUS APPEALS
"The only way you're going to get over this is to accept Jesus into your heart."
"Pray to Ra and He will deliver."
"Tithe your income and you'll be rewarded richly."You may indeed be in unique possession of THE TRUTH but please give the rest of us Christians, Buddhists, Agnostics, Scientologists, Atheists, and other heathens a chance to catch up at our own speed. It's fine to refer to your faith. It's not okay to proselytise or condemn.
DOGMATIC ASSERTIONS
"Medication is for the weak."
"Herbal therapy is a bunch of superstitious garbage."
"Anxiety is proven to be biochemical in nature."If you're so sure of your ideas, please write a book, otherwise, hedge your pronouncements with niceties like "in my humble opinion," "from what I know," "I believe," "This is what I think." Beware of abusing appeals to authority to bolster your position. Just because "Dr. Soandso said" it, doesn't make it incontrovertible. (If you do quote an expert, please be scrupulous in your documentation). Don't patronise by boasting of your intellectual pedigree.
You continue to post your opinions/beliefs as truths and are upset when others give dissenting viewpoints. I think that some of your posts can be harmful -- that is my opinion; and because of that concern, I will continue to counter other opinions that I find untruthful (not just yours, but anyones). I hope you will do the same.-Chris
P.S. - If you find Dr. Bob's practices "unAmerican," I suggest you take a closer look at USAmerican history (as well as the history of the term "unAmerican").
Posted by kiddo on March 2, 2002, at 17:58:37
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 12:06:08
> Kiddo;
> I did not say that I was going to try to get myself banned today.
> Shabott Shalom means:
> Shalom means peace (Hebrew)
> Shabott is the Sabath
> Have peace on this Sabbath
> The City of Peace is Jeru Sholom (Jerusalem)
> But evry day can be the Sabbath.
> Lou
http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20011216/msgs/3209.htmlFrom the way this post was written it looks like that's what you said. If it isn't, I apologize. Can you see how easy it is to misunderstand what someone says?
Thanks for the translation,
Kiddo
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 19:09:28
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by christophrejmc on March 2, 2002, at 16:06:56
Christophrjmc;
What you have said to me is very appreciative. I apologise to you and any others. I was wrong for wanting to tell evryone my experiance on The Road to the Crown of Life on this board. It did not belong in this forum. I did make a gentelman's agreement with Dr Bob at the beginning that I would fully explain my experiance, so I thought that he was giving me permission to tell what I experianced. But at the beginnning, he did not know what was ahead. As it developed, there were "hecklers " and scoffers and no one was really interested in what I had experianced. I would still fnish the Road if someone wanted me to do so, but the only response is from someone who is only curious and has their own road. I forgive all , for I believe that I will not be forgiven unless I forgive all others. And it is more than just a commmandment to follow blindly. It is what Dinah pointed out. We all must forgive because that baggage of unforgivness will bring us down. It will destroy us. It is not a religious thing to forgive. It is for our own health. My experiance was what it was because I am jewish and that is how it was revealed to me. I believe that anyone can go to the city of peace regardless of what you are. If you are Christian, then the Road would have been revealed to you in Christian terms. If you are Hindu, then the road would have been revealed to you in Hindu terms. If you are an Athiest, then the raod would be revealed to you in Athiest terms and so on. I was not trying to prosilatise and I apologise if you thought that. I thought that someone might be delivered out of an addiction by hearing what I experianced. I was wrong. When the Rider told me that I would know the truth and I would be set free, he ment that I would know the truth for me. Others would know the truth for them. I apologise if I made you believr that you had to be jewish . If I finished the road, then that would have been brought out. Unfotianatly, that didnot hppen. My apologies again to you , Christophejme.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 5:44:22
In reply to Lou 's apology to Christophrejmc, posted by Lou Pilder on March 2, 2002, at 19:09:28
> Of course, context might be part of what you weigh as you exercise discretion.
It might, indeed. :-)
> But my theory is that people do not always understand your perspective of which ... statements are acceptable and which are not.
They may not. Do you have any suggestions? At some point I think I have to fall back on what Potter Stewart said...
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> I have been humiliated and demeaned by Dr. Bob.
I'm sorry if you've felt humiliated and demeaned, but I meant only to explain what I was doing and why.
> I was blocked for 1 week for the title of my post. It was, "We need to hear from Donna." Now the context was that our discussion could no go any further without more clarification from Donn.
That would've been fine. "Our discussion cannot go any further without more clarification from Donna." IMO, "need" created pressure.
> this extreme legalism is very harmfull to all of us for no one can talk without the fear of banishment and a scolding by Dr. Bob.
But my theory is that if there's no "fear" of consequences, then the talk will be less supportive and educational.
> Dr. Bob again scolds me publically when I told my advasary that "I did not care about his quest to get people to take psychotropic drugs. Dr. Bob says that I have to care about his quest.I do?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020215/msgs/94315.html
If you don't care about something someone else cares about, that's up to you. Just don't say so here. That's not civil.
> My adversary was telling the poor women...
When you start thinking of someone as your adversary, that's another time to consider not responding. At least not right away.
> the arbitrary, caprecious, and desciminatory practices of Dr. Bob on this board relevant to disparging people for what they postNot civil.
> He said, "Your not going to have freedom of speach here Lou Pilder".
> Lou PilderIn an email or in the post I referred to above?
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> I emailed Dr. Bob two or three times to remove portions of 1 post . He neither removed that portion, nor did he reply to my email.
> KiddoReally, did I not even reply? Sorry about that. Could you email me again?
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> He allowed a person to tell the group "not to listen to him" He called me a chateten and accused me of trying to bring people into a cult. That person went unadmonished by Dr. Bob.
Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have let that go. Can you give me the URL?
> No one has to guess at what another will think of what they say and then be subjected to the forced blocking for what they said.
You don't have to try to guess at how others might react, but if you do, you're probably less likely to be blocked...
> The assistant principal favored the girl like you are favoring KK and Dr. Bob. This is abhorant to me. It is an outrage to every person on this board .
> Lou PilderNot civil.
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> Your crying wolf is getting a little embarrassing... we have other fish to fry besides your apocalyptic hysteria.
> troubleNot civil, either.
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> I apologise and retract any negative commments that I made that were directed to Dr. Bob and the others on this board. I spoke rashly and I am sorry for doing so. I am asking Dr. Bob and the others to forgive me for what I said. I came to this board for I thought that it was the best place for people that wanted to discuss their afflictions and desparations. I still feel that way and have met some wonderfull people on this board who also share that purpose. I hope that we can all make ,at least, one step forward from all of our postings.
> Lou PilderThanks for your apologies. I'm not going to block you now, but if you're uncivil again (in my subjective opinion), then I will, but it'll be for a month, not forever.
Bob
PS: If you're unsure what I'll think, feel free to run it by me in an email first.
Posted by kiddo on March 3, 2002, at 6:45:27
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc., posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 5:44:22
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> > I emailed Dr. Bob two or three times to remove portions of 1 post . He neither removed that portion, nor did he reply to my email.
> > Kiddo
>
> Really, did I not even reply? Sorry about that. Could you email me again?
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Not even a reply :-)I didn't mean to make that sound as if I was lashing out at you. I was trying to point out that things happen with other members as well. Since it does still bother me, I will email you again. I know your busy....though
Thanks :-)
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on March 3, 2002, at 7:13:13
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc., posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 5:44:22
As one who sees great beauty in Justice, I have to commend you on a post worthy of Solomon. You really have a hard job here at PB and I really appreciate your efforts.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2002, at 7:18:28
In reply to That was beautiful Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on March 3, 2002, at 7:13:13
Dinah;
Amen.
Lou
Posted by Mitchell on March 3, 2002, at 12:20:05
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc., posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 5:44:22
> > But my theory is that people do not always understand your perspective of which ... statements are acceptable and which are not.
>
> They may not. Do you have any suggestions?The civility FAQ is helpful; so is the more recent policy of temporarily blocking rather than permanently banishing those who do not recognize your policies.
This forum tends to limit emotional communication to messages that can be conveyed in written form. A problem throughout academic forums, from kindergarten on, is that they can favor those with a better command of language. And diverse forums have diverse standards. Not everyone understands that things the President can say in a speech are not acceptable in this forum. Rather than develop a treatise on the subject today, I will only suggest that ongoing dialogue may help develop a better understanding of the unique civil standards to which this forum aspires.
Whatever improvements we might conceive are only practicable in as much as they can be applied without overtaxing the administrative capacity of this forum. To answer the subject of this thread, I can suggest that there is not a double standard at play here. There apparently are not two distinct standards. The standard is singular, but, perhaps by necessity, is loosely defined, subjective and sometimes seems to be applied arbitrarily or capriciously. It sort of reminds me of the War on Drugs...
> At some point I think I have to fall back on what Potter Stewart said...
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> > I have been humiliated and demeaned by Dr. Bob.
You blocked Justice Stewart? No wonder he felt humiliated. Why did you block him? Was it his "I know it when I see it" comment? ;-) If so, I would agree with your decision - justice is supposed to be blind, and the scales are used to weigh the facts. No peeking, Justice.
Posted by NikkiT2 on March 3, 2002, at 17:32:50
In reply to Re: Double Standard With Banning Policies » Mitchell, posted by Lou Pilder on March 1, 2002, at 20:19:05
At the end of the day Lou, this is Dr Bobs site... he can really do as he pleases!!! He provides this for us for his own puposes, yes, but he also rpovides it for us.. he has no real need to put the time and money into this that he does.
If someone were to complain about my husbands Star Wars site not showing what they wanted, or complaining it has no chat facilities or what ever, he's not gonna go along with them for no personal gain.
Its uo to Dr Bob how he runs this site - I thinkhe does a damned good job.
Nikki
Posted by ST on March 3, 2002, at 18:11:41
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc., posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 5:44:22
Dr. Bob,
You did a great job of letting Lou "work things out" on the board and get through his anger over being blocked. He came to his own conclusions, apologized and seems to be ready to move on. I applaud you for not taking the bait and blocking him. I really am interested in his theories and sometimes even his rantings - as well as everyone else's on this board. It's insightful to me. I hope this can continue to be a forum for open (within reason) discussion and that you continue to not take things personally.
Sarah
Posted by trouble on March 4, 2002, at 4:34:41
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc. Dr. Bob, posted by ST on March 3, 2002, at 18:11:41
Posted by Zo on March 4, 2002, at 17:29:56
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc. Dr. Bob, posted by ST on March 3, 2002, at 18:11:41
Dr. Bob *never* takes anything personally.
I find it scary.
Zo
Posted by Zo on March 6, 2002, at 1:25:26
In reply to Re: civility, blocking, etc. Dr. Bob, posted by Zo on March 4, 2002, at 17:29:56
This is the end of the thread.
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