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Posted by kiddo on February 18, 2002, at 11:10:33
1.) I think it's much better. IMHO it looks 'neater' (as in, not cluttered).
2.) I don't think I'd ever use the 'include above post' feature if I could see the message when I'm responding. Is that a possibility? Perhaps a script or something that could be included in the reply so that it's next to the message box or whatever, but isn't there when you submit the post?
3.) Thanks for taking the time to do so much in making improvements and just 'little' things (that take alot of time) to make it easier for us 'Babblers".
Kiddo
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 18, 2002, at 12:41:43
In reply to Form Comments Suggestions, posted by kiddo on February 18, 2002, at 11:10:33
> 1.) I think it's much better. IMHO it looks 'neater' (as in, not cluttered).
Thanks!
> 2.) I don't think I'd ever use the 'include above post' feature if I could see the message when I'm responding.
Hmm, interesting idea... What if the editing page just came up in a new window? So the original message just stayed where it was?
Bob
Posted by kiddo on February 18, 2002, at 14:18:35
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 18, 2002, at 12:41:43
I do that now, and it's not only a pain, but really easy to get 'lost' if there are several things I'm replying too. I guess I'm being trivial, but it would make things a lot better...
I'm talking about just a small section (not like the usual post) to refer back to...know what I'm talking about?
Kiddo
Posted by IsoM on February 18, 2002, at 21:08:39
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 18, 2002, at 12:41:43
Rather than an editing page coming up in a new window or including the original message in our answering post, I've got an idea. Don't know if it's good but I'd like to mention it.
I absolutely *love* frames on web pages. Everything's still on the same screen, & one doesn't have to keep going back to see what the previous page was. How about having the original post in a left frame & the answering post box in the right frame? Everything's nicely accessible that way.
I'd also love to see an optional "review your post" button along with the "submit your post" button. Reviewing a post would do what the submitting a post does now, BUT the "submit your post" button would directly post it to the forum.
*OR* we could have a button that posts the message directly along with a small edit button underneath if we did wish to change it. I always read my posts over before I submit them anyway. If I make a mistake & miss catching it before posting, I'll miss it even with editing.
This is all very clear in my head, Dr. Bob, but I'm not sure if I actually have explained it well enough for you, or anyone else, to understand, or whether I've left out information.
Posted by christophrejmc on February 18, 2002, at 23:20:01
In reply to Re: see the message » Dr. Bob, posted by IsoM on February 18, 2002, at 21:08:39
I hope frames would be optional... I'm not sure how "lynx-friendly" the site is now, but navigating frames in a text-based browser can be quite a chore (also, many old browsers don't support frames).
P.S. - Dr. Bob: did you see my post about the civility section of the FAQ? I don't really care if you respond to it (or even read the whole thing), I'm just driving myself nuts wondering if I should repost it as a new thread or let it go...
> I absolutely *love* frames on web pages. Everything's still on the same screen, & one doesn't have to keep going back to see what the previous page was. How about having the original post in a left frame & the answering post box in the right frame? Everything's nicely accessible that way.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:37:38
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by kiddo on February 18, 2002, at 14:18:35
> I do that now, and it's not only a pain, but really easy to get 'lost' if there are several things I'm replying too.
It would be a pain to have the editing page come up in a new window? I actually liked that idea...
> I'm talking about just a small section (not like the usual post) to refer back to...know what I'm talking about?
Uh, not really. :-) A small section? Hmm, like in a window that scrolled? That might not be so hard...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:49:28
In reply to Re: see the message » Dr. Bob, posted by IsoM on February 18, 2002, at 21:08:39
> I absolutely *love* frames on web pages. How about having the original post in a left frame & the answering post box in the right frame?
Are you aware that frames are already an option? :-)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#frames
But that puts the main page on the left and the posts on the right. *Three* frames? Hmm, I suppose the one on the right could be split into a top and a bottom...
> I'd also love to see an optional "review your post" button along with the "submit your post" button. Reviewing a post would do what the submitting a post does now, BUT the "submit your post" button would directly post it to the forum.
>
> IsoMSo you'd skip the confirmation step? That might not be hard to do... Are you trying to make it easier for you or for the server?
> I hope frames would be optional... I'm not sure how "lynx-friendly" the site is now, but navigating frames in a text-based browser can be quite a chore (also, many old browsers don't support frames).
>
> christophrejmcFrames would be optional, just like they are now. Hey, how about doing me a favor and checking it out now in lynx? :-)
Bob
Posted by Dinah on February 19, 2002, at 1:04:01
In reply to Re: frames and buttons, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:49:28
Posted by IsoM on February 19, 2002, at 1:16:13
In reply to Re: frames and buttons, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:49:28
Silly me! No, I wasn't aware frames were optional. I appreciate having you point that out.
Skipping the confirmation step would be quicker for both me & the server. But as Dinah asks, not everyone would want to miss it perhaps.
Posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 2:09:25
In reply to Re: a small section, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:37:38
> It would be a pain to have the editing page come up in a new window? I actually liked that idea...
>Perhaps we're talking about two different things here...I open two browsers, one to respond in, the other to view what I'm responding too..you lost me however...
> Uh, not really. :-) A small section? Hmm, like in a window that scrolled? That might not be so hard...
>
> BobI don't know, I'm thinking about the 'white space' like to the right of the message box like I'm typing in right now.
I know what I mean, it's just hard to say it
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 19, 2002, at 7:05:09
In reply to Re: see the message » Dr. Bob, posted by IsoM on February 18, 2002, at 21:08:39
> I absolutely *love* frames on web pages. Everything's still on the same screen, & one doesn't have to keep going back to see what the previous page was. How about having the original post in a left frame & the answering post box in the right frame? Everything's nicely accessible that way.
The way I view PB etc its in frames already.. any mroe and it would be too confusing
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 10:36:48
In reply to Re: a small section, posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 2:09:25
> I don't know, I'm thinking about the 'white space' like to the right of the message box like I'm typing in right now.
Oh, I see what you mean. I'm not sure that would work, though, because how much space is there will vary from person to person. So I think the 3 options would be:
1. Keeping the editing page the way it is now, but having it come up in a new window, so the original post would still be accessible in the original window.
2. Keeping it in the same window, but having it go in a bottom-half frame and keeping the original post in a top-half frame.
3. Keeping it right where it is, but adding another scrolling message box with the original post in it.
Maybe #3?
Bob
Posted by IsoM on February 19, 2002, at 12:03:31
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 10:36:48
Posted by Jonathan on February 19, 2002, at 14:03:12
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 10:36:48
> 1. Keeping the editing page the way it is now, but having it come up in a new window, so the original post would still be accessible in the original window.
>
> 2. Keeping it in the same window, but having it go in a bottom-half frame and keeping the original post in a top-half frame.
>
> 3. Keeping it right where it is, but adding another scrolling message box with the original post in it.#1 is most flexible, IMHO.
It makes it easy to look at messages other than the post you're answering without overwriting the composition window on the new page.
For example, if we already had option #1, then anyone who, while replying to this message, needed to check what options #1, #2 and #3 mean could simply click on the server-generated "In reply to" link in the original window, instead of relying on my repetition above of the relevant info: option #1 could save valuable space on the server.
You could combine the `benefits' of option #2 (aarrgghh! three frames instead of the present two, for those who like frames) with #1 ; link the choice between them to the choice we already make between separate windows and frames, as described in
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20011216/msgs/3011.html
and the link from that message to the faq. Just try to follow those links to the faq without messing up the window in which you're composing a reply to this post, using either the present system or option #3; I'm not going to help you this time by re-posting all the relevant text!
Jonathan.
Posted by Jonathan on February 19, 2002, at 14:14:50
In reply to I prefer #1 - #3 is acceptable - NOT #2 please ... » Dr. Bob, posted by Jonathan on February 19, 2002, at 14:03:12
> Just try to follow those links to the faq without messing up the window in which you're composing a reply to this post, using either the present system or option #3.
What I thought would be difficult turns out to be ridiculously simple, because the link in my previous message opens a new window, instead of overwriting the existing window as I expected.
However, you'll still find it hard to follow the links from *this* message to the relevant section of the faq, because the "In reply to" link above opens my previous post in the same window (demonic grin).
Jonathan.
Posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 14:28:40
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 10:36:48
I know what I want to say now!!!
How about #4-
Show the original post in THIS window. As it stands now, you have it in the reply...what I'm talking about is having it somewhere on this page..
1.) At the top of the page...2.) At the bottom of the page below 'submit your post' and above the 'register' area...
3.) Between the 'not message, just post above subject' and the 'box you type in...
I guess your # 3 would work, but I like mine better :-)
Posted by Jonathan on February 19, 2002, at 17:13:52
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 14:28:40
Posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 19:41:16
In reply to #4 is still less versatile than #1 (a new window) (nm) » kiddo, posted by Jonathan on February 19, 2002, at 17:13:52
I disagree...everywhere you go, popup windows erupt; therefore a lot of people (including me) use a utility to prevent that...when I come here, I have to disable or override it
Kiddo
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 20:04:14
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 14:28:40
> How about #4-
>
> Show the original post in THIS window. As it stands now, you have it in the reply...what I'm talking about is having it somewhere on this page..Sorry, I hate to ask this, but what window and what page?
> I guess your # 3 would work, but I like mine better :-)
I *think* the only difference between #3 and #4 is having it in a scrolling box vs. having it as "plain" text?
The advantage of having the original post in a scrolling box (like your reply) is that you probably wouldn't have to scroll the page as much (or at all). Because hopefully both boxes would fit on the screen at the same time, and you could just scroll within them.
Here, they say a picture's worth a thousand words:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/number3.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/number4.htmlBob
Posted by kiddo on February 19, 2002, at 20:15:11
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 20:04:14
> Sorry, I hate to ask this, but what window and what page?
>The window I'm talking about is the page you get when you click on 'Go to Form'
> I *think* the only difference between #3 and #4 is having it in a scrolling box vs. having it as "plain" text?
>
> The advantage of having the original post in a scrolling box (like your reply) is that you probably wouldn't have to scroll the page as much (or at all). Because hopefully both boxes would fit on the screen at the same time, and you could just scroll within them.
>
> Here, they say a picture's worth a thousand words:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/number3.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/number4.html
>
> BobOK-if that was part of your research-it had a psychotic effect...it took me a minute to realize they were your links and not me hitting the reply button, especially with my name on there.... ;-)
Yes, that is the difference...and it wouldn't be bad if they were side by side, perhaps, where we wouldn't have to scroll up or down twice...once to get to the box, and another to scroll the box with the reply...make sense?
Kiddo
Posted by jane d on February 20, 2002, at 8:06:19
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 20:04:14
I like the second option (of round two) where the text is displayed underneath as text instead of in another scroll box. I find that the scroll boxes just don't show me enough text at once to make sense of a long post.
I also liked the idea of a separate window opening although I can see the problem kiddo refers to with utilities designed to keep that from happening (where can I get one of those, kiddo?). Besides, I can just open another window myself when I want to reply. That's what I've started doing already.
Jane
Posted by kiddo on February 20, 2002, at 10:27:59
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by jane d on February 20, 2002, at 8:06:19
Here's a link for a utility called "Internet Sweeper"..read the info before downloading, it erases cookies, all that stuff, is configurable though :-)
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,93471,00.html
Here's one for only popup ads (the one at the top does too)
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,101165,.html
Both are free-
Kiddo
Posted by Emme on February 20, 2002, at 12:56:46
In reply to Re: see the message, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 20:04:14
Less windows = easier to look at the screen.
Previous message as plain text = much easier to read than having to scroll through it in a separate scrolling box, where you have to scroll side to side as well as up and down.
I assume the option to include previous message in your reply remains where it currently is?
Emme
Posted by christophrejmc on February 20, 2002, at 20:13:25
In reply to Re: frames and buttons, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 0:49:28
Well, due to recent LAN changes and switching ISPs, I'm going to need to do quite a bit of reconfiguring. I did check out a local copy of the root & PB pages -- it looks great! (IMNSHO, better than the graphical version. :) As soon as I can, I'll check to see if I can post a message using lynx-SSL. I'd also like to try viewing the page in w3m (another opensource text-only browser with javascript support). (If you care, your images look just fine in the SVGAlib image viewers, too.)
-Chris
> Hey, how about doing me a favor and checking it out now in lynx? :-)
>
> Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2002, at 0:36:06
In reply to Re: lynx friendliness » Dr. Bob, posted by christophrejmc on February 20, 2002, at 20:13:25
> I did check out a local copy of the root & PB pages -- it looks great! (IMNSHO, better than the graphical version. :)
> (If you care, your images look just fine in the SVGAlib image viewers, too.)
Thanks! :-)
Bob
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