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Posted by IsoM on February 15, 2002, at 20:08:29
I do agree with many of the blockings you've done, Bob. Specially when they've gotten rude, or vulgar, or pushy. But blocking Lou on PB was perhaps a little too quick. I know what the comment was (Dinah got the comments confused) - it was his stating "I don't care about yuo and your quest to advocate the use of psychotropic drugs."
Maybe just telling him to watch his tone may have been better. We know where he's leading with all his postings at least, & no one can say they're being misled by him if they listen to him.
Reminds me of the times my sons were small & I'd have to monitor them sometimes. Rather than sending them to their room each time they slipped, I'd just tell them to be careful of what they said. A gentle reminder was often enough. I found if I was patient & gentle with them, it inspired them to try to be more patient & gentle too. Yes, I know none of us are children anymore, but being adults doesn't mean wed have perfect control of ourselves either.
I know running & moderating these forums must be very time- consuming for you & you can't spend all your time devising carefully worded statements to remind people. I really think Lou has been trying to be good. I actually feel sorry for him. I personally think he's off in left field, but his sincerity is real.
Posted by Dinah on February 15, 2002, at 20:17:39
In reply to Blocking Users For A Week, posted by IsoM on February 15, 2002, at 20:08:29
Thanks IsoM, I did miss that part of the post. But I agree completely with what you say. I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. I've been in Lou's shoes a few times in my life and I admired his determined civility. He was certainly trying to follow the rules. There's a big difference between what he did and deliberate incivility.
> I do agree with many of the blockings you've done, Bob. Specially when they've gotten rude, or vulgar, or pushy. But blocking Lou on PB was perhaps a little too quick. I know what the comment was (Dinah got the comments confused) - it was his stating "I don't care about yuo and your quest to advocate the use of psychotropic drugs."
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> Maybe just telling him to watch his tone may have been better. We know where he's leading with all his postings at least, & no one can say they're being misled by him if they listen to him.
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> Reminds me of the times my sons were small & I'd have to monitor them sometimes. Rather than sending them to their room each time they slipped, I'd just tell them to be careful of what they said. A gentle reminder was often enough. I found if I was patient & gentle with them, it inspired them to try to be more patient & gentle too. Yes, I know none of us are children anymore, but being adults doesn't mean wed have perfect control of ourselves either.
>
> I know running & moderating these forums must be very time- consuming for you & you can't spend all your time devising carefully worded statements to remind people. I really think Lou has been trying to be good. I actually feel sorry for him. I personally think he's off in left field, but his sincerity is real.
Posted by Dinah on February 15, 2002, at 20:38:56
In reply to Blocking Users For A Week, posted by IsoM on February 15, 2002, at 20:08:29
Dr. Bob,
I don't know if this belongs here or on PSB.Boy, I am sorry if I have come across as rather emotional over the recent civility topics, but it really touches on my childhood issues. I am shaking and close to tears (and I don't cry easily) as I wrote my last few posts. From bullying and taunts to the lack of acceptance of those who are "different", a lot of hot buttons have been pressed for me.
My mother taught me from before I can even remember that not only should you be civil to others, but you also step between those who are being uncivil and the people they are being uncivil to, and you protect those who aren't accepted by society. Perhaps the worst thing is the condemnation of Dr. Bob for enforcing the civility rules and the tolerance of and admiration for those who are being uncivil.
I took a couple of days off from the board, and perhaps I should take a few more until I feel less emotional about the whole thing.
Posted by ST on February 19, 2002, at 3:23:25
In reply to Blocking Users For A Week, posted by IsoM on February 15, 2002, at 20:08:29
Dr. Bob,
I'm guessing that you have the same opinion of Lou Pilder as do most of the people on this board. He's pushy, a bit narrow minded and preachy. His thread was becoming way too long and repetitive. But I feel blocking him was perhaps a decision made out of those feelings rather than the desire to enforce civility rules.
I actually was surprised that Lou kept his cool while almost everyone heckled him and argued with him. After your initial scolding many posts back, I feel he was extremely polite and definitely civil. I was shocked that you blocked him.
Although I don't subscribe to Lou's vision of the "City of Peace", etc., I do feel he was unjustly squelched; possibly out of your annoyance more than anything. (?) Am I too far off the mark here?
Thanks,
Sarah
> I do agree with many of the blockings you've done, Bob. Specially when they've gotten rude, or vulgar, or pushy. But blocking Lou on PB was perhaps a little too quick. I know what the comment was (Dinah got the comments confused) - it was his stating "I don't care about yuo and your quest to advocate the use of psychotropic drugs."
>
> Maybe just telling him to watch his tone may have been better. We know where he's leading with all his postings at least, & no one can say they're being misled by him if they listen to him.
>
> Reminds me of the times my sons were small & I'd have to monitor them sometimes. Rather than sending them to their room each time they slipped, I'd just tell them to be careful of what they said. A gentle reminder was often enough. I found if I was patient & gentle with them, it inspired them to try to be more patient & gentle too. Yes, I know none of us are children anymore, but being adults doesn't mean wed have perfect control of ourselves either.
>
> I know running & moderating these forums must be very time- consuming for you & you can't spend all your time devising carefully worded statements to remind people. I really think Lou has been trying to be good. I actually feel sorry for him. I personally think he's off in left field, but his sincerity is real.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 9:07:49
In reply to Blocking Lou Pilder For A WeekDr. Bob, posted by ST on February 19, 2002, at 3:23:25
> I actually was surprised that Lou kept his cool while almost everyone heckled him and argued with him. After your initial scolding many posts back, I feel he was extremely polite and definitely civil.
I got the idea he's used to being heckled. :-) But I agree, he was doing a good job of keeping his cool -- mostly. Partly also things in general have been a little more heated than usual here...
> I do feel he was unjustly squelched; possibly out of your annoyance more than anything. (?) Am I too far off the mark here?
Maybe not. But also I wonder to what extent (a) he feels supported or educated by others here and (b) others here feel supported or educated by him...
Bob
Posted by kid_A on February 19, 2002, at 9:28:58
In reply to Re: Blocking Lou Pilder For A Week, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 9:07:49
I don't think I'll miss him. At least the signal to noise ratio will be a little be better attenuated...I still believe that freedom of speach belongs to those who own the printing press, and I don't think this block was out of line.
I don't feel threatened by someone getting up on a soapbox and refusing to discuss an issue in favour of preaching it, but overall I don't think he was being a positive contributor to the board and in fact began to create a negative atmosphere...
thats just the way I see it...
Posted by Dinah on February 19, 2002, at 10:05:39
In reply to Re: Blocking Lou Pilder For A Week, posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 9:07:49
Really Dr. Bob. I am disappointed in you! I should have my mother give you a good talking to. She was a teacher and she always said that it was the attitude from the top that decided how the pupils would act towards someone who was different.
I saw it myself with a little mute girl who was in my first grade class and was bullied and teased by most of the students while the teacher said nothing, leaving it up to me to protect her as best as a first grader could. She repeated the year and had my mother as teacher. The other kids in the class treated her with gentleness and respect and by the end of the year she was talking.
Might I remind everyone that whatever Lou posts (and none of it was uncivil) it is everyone's choice as to how to reply.
Now I'll flounce off in a huff (as best a rather large woman can flounce).
A teeny bit less respectfully,
Dinah> > I actually was surprised that Lou kept his cool while almost everyone heckled him and argued with him. After your initial scolding many posts back, I feel he was extremely polite and definitely civil.
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> I got the idea he's used to being heckled. :-) But I agree, he was doing a good job of keeping his cool -- mostly. Partly also things in general have been a little more heated than usual here...
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> > I do feel he was unjustly squelched; possibly out of your annoyance more than anything. (?) Am I too far off the mark here?
>
> Maybe not. But also I wonder to what extent (a) he feels supported or educated by others here and (b) others here feel supported or educated by him...
>
> Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2002, at 10:42:17
In reply to Re: Hmmph! » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on February 19, 2002, at 10:05:39
> Really Dr. Bob. I am disappointed in you! I should have my mother give you a good talking to.
Sure, have her post something! :-)
> She was a teacher and she always said that it was the attitude from the top that decided how the pupils would act towards someone who was different.
> I saw it myself with a little mute girl who was in my first grade class and was bullied and teased...I know what you're saying, and that's why I think civility is so important, but I'm not sure they're perfectly analogous situations...
Bob
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