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Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:08:19
In reply to Re: Welcome back =) » brynb, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:26:07
Kat got some writing to do. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:09:22
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 4, 2013, at 18:27:36
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » jono_in_adelaide, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:23:38
I'm doing pretty well kat, all things considered :)
I'm taking more pills than elvis, but I'm feeling good, and have got the Xanax back down to 1mg twice a day
Posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 20:05:47
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
> > Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation.
> It is written here that trileptal lacks the risk of agranulocytosis. This is a lie
For a statement to be a lie, there must be intent to deceive. Are you intimating that I am lying?
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on January 4, 2013, at 20:16:10
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Shame, shame, shame on you, Lou.
I am disapppointed.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 20:33:39
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:09:22
> Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
Friends,
It is written above that I am to leave Kat alone.
This forum is for support and education. Support is not the same as reinforcement. Suppose someone posted here that the earth was flat and they were going in a cruise and were worried that they would fall off the earth. Now do you see that support is not the same as reinforcement?
Now education is important here in a great way. And to suppress any facts is what kills education and could lead one down a false path. To repress one member's voice leads to the loss of education to other paths. And education that is prohibited is not education at all, but only an indoctrination to one person's thinking. And when one person's thinking here is all that you can have, then you get a deception, a deception that becomes an indoctrination, an indoctrination that could lead to death. I have come to lead you to what could give you life, and life more abundantly. What good will it do you to know all the lies of the world, and loose your own life?
My friends, be not deceived. As the sun comes from the East and sets in the West, so shall the light of truth expose the lies of the world. And in that Day, many will say that they did not see the light of truth, but is that not the same as saying that they loved the darkness more than the light?
Lou
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 20:35:15
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
Hey Kat, it's good to see you're still alive. We were all very worried about you, even Lou, in his own incomprehensible way. I hope your family understood the severity of what you were going through. Any idea if this was a freak occurrence of Parnate use, or the result of some drug interaction? Also, don't forget that nortriptyline has some sort of severe contraindications with Wellbutrin.
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 20:40:55
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
> First, my reactions to what you have just gone through:
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> :-(
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> >:-(
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> :-(
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> I'm sorry about the Parnate reaction. It must have been hellish.
>
> You are very resilient. Very. It was not at all fair that you should have suffered such ignorance. Perhaps something good will come of it. The psychiatrist may have come close to getting it right for you. It might be in your best interests to try to build a treatment regime around Wellbutrin. Adding an atypical antipsychotic and a mood stabilizer or two might do the trick. I prefer Trileptal to Tegretol, although Tegretol has been studied more. With Tegretol, you must take frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis. Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation. It is possible that Tegretol was chosen precisely for its sedative effects. Then again, it might be the only choice appearing in their official "playbook".
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> Wellbutrin + Trileptal + Latuda?
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> Please keep posting.
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> You sure are resilient!
>
>
> - Scott
>SLS, I was wondering what you could tell me about Latuda. This one slipped under the radar for me until about a week ago. I've heard some anecdotal reports that it has a mild side-effect profile for an AA. Would it be useful for depression or anxiety (keeping in mind that I wasn't successful with risperidone.) Any reason why this drug wouldn't have been suggested to me by my Pdoc?
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:40:53
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
This isn't the time or place Lou. F uck right off.
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:42:48
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Lou Pilder, posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:40:53
Sorry for my temper but it can get worse.
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 22:50:17
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Yeah Lou, PFHKUVF!
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 23:39:58
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
When someone has nearly died and then been put through a living nightmare would you consider putting the politics of medications aside and say to that person that you are sorry they have endured so much and that you will say a prayer for them?
Isn't that what faith and belief in God tells you to do?
My anger was directed at your actions, not at you. Compared to being right or wrong about a medication, it means nothing compared to empathy and compassion. Isn't that what you say that you yourself are lacking here?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 4, 2013, at 23:41:34
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Lou, you have to stop posting this stuff....rerember that comment you told me...I don't know much of diet pills....you actually responded to a post in a normal manner....don't post about jews, scapegoat, death, and the terrible mr. hssuing, just let it go....converse with people on babble, say it in a natural manner, don't write these grandiose words of false encouragement on something that is not the topic, death from medications is rare rare rare...its the same thing of taking asprin.
Yes there are some cases, but they are rare, if this was happening everyday to where the news would broadcast it....then maybe post these grandiose messages of warning.....im scared of the big hsssuing too....i always see this big eye in magnifying glass looking at posts here....maybe you can write something amusing about the adventures of Hsiung....make us laugh
Please read this message over and absorb it....get this kinda of writing out of here....new stuff, relatable....
r
Posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 1:07:59
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
> I feel destroyed.
I hope that you feel supported here. People do like you, and want only the best for you.
:-)
I'm sorry about your kitty.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 2:15:39
In reply to Lou's warning-lytoftrth, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 20:33:39
> > Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
>
> Friends,
> It is written above that I am to leave Kat alone.
> This forum is for support and education.But you are wrong so often, that it is difficult to call what you do as being "education". I call it de-education. You attempt to accomplish this through the use of misinformation and propaganda.
> Support is not the same as reinforcement.
I guess support is in the mind of the beholder. In my mind, what you do is not supportive.
> Now education is important here in a great way. And to suppress any facts is what kills education and could lead one down a false path.
What you purport to be facts are usually falsehoods. I demonstrate this to you all of the time, yet you make no adjustments in your presentations. I don't expect you to, though. It is not my goal to change your mind about anything. My debating you is for the support and education of others. Otherwise, I really don't care what you believe. If your belief system works for you, then you are probably best left alone.
> To repress one member's voice leads to the loss of education to other paths.
No one is repressing your voice, otherwise, you would be blocked from posting here. However, free speech is not absolute. Nor is it to go unchallenged. I would prefer that you don't post here at all, but those are decisions to be made by you and Dr. Hsiung.
> And education that is prohibited is not education at all,
You won't sneak that by me. Education is in the mind of the beholder, just as it is with support. That you portray falehoods as facts prevents me from characterizing what you do as promoting education.
> but only an indoctrination to one person's thinking.
That's what propaganda is. I am greatly relieved to see that very few people are indoctrinated to your way of thinking.
> And when one person's thinking here is all that you can have, then you get a deception,
First of all, I do not believe that anyone has heretofore stated that there should be but one voice on Psycho-Babble. In reality there is more than one, otherwise we wouldn't be having this exchange. Sometimes, all that is needed to attain a noble goal is a single voice. However, it need not be exclusive to carry its message.
> a deception that becomes an indoctrination, an indoctrination that could lead to death.
I believe that your words can lead to death.
> My friends, be not deceived.
Who do you claim is doing the deceiving?
Lou Pilder, I am convinced that there is nothing I can say that would prompt you to desist from posting misinformed propaganda. Quite frankly, I am not interested in your motives, only in your behaviors. I care about how your posts are to be received by others, many of whom are in a state of desperation and vulnerable to the disinfomation you would use to de-educate them.
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Posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 2:27:34
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
I'm sorry that I felt compelled to add to the litter.
Please don't feel responsible in any way for the litter. I am sad when people regret having started a thread just because a few people find themselves in conflict. Besides, conflict is not always a bad thing. It is just that some people are extremely uncomfortable or sensitive to seeing it. I am not very comfortable seeing it, either.
Out of respect, I wanted to return your subject line to you.
- Scott
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 10:03:38
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 20:35:15
> Hey Kat, it's good to see you're still alive. We were all very worried about you, even Lou, in his own incomprehensible way. I hope your family understood the severity of what you were going through. Any idea if this was a freak occurrence of Parnate use, or the result of some drug interaction? Also, don't forget that nortriptyline has some sort of severe contraindications with Wellbutrin.
Thank you Schlep for caring so much. I honestly don't know for sure if it was just the Parnate or a result of a drug interaction. I do know that once I had stabilized and they transferred me to a regular floor, they started me on exactly the same meds I had been on before the nightmare, apart from the Parnate and I had/have had no problem. I have read that Rhabdo is a very rare side effect of MAO Inhibitors. And my pdoc and I joke that I am Rare Side Effect Girl. But I don't feel like laughing about that this time. I feel utterly destroyed, but I am trying to be strong b/c I have to take care of our sick kitty. I was so looking forward to seeing my therapist today (I really REALLY need to see her) but now I've got stomach flu and can't go. I feel like I'm cursed! lol
And no worries, I am no longer on nortryptiline, but you have me worried; I am on elavil for sleep, is there an interaction with it and wellbutrin? Thanks again Schlep and I hope you are well.
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 10:10:32
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 1:07:59
Hi Scott, yes, I absolutely do feel supported here, and I can't thank you and everyone else enough for being so kind and understanding. I feel blessed that I found this site with such wonderful people on it, and I have missed you all so much while I was in hospital.
Thanks for your kind words about Jack, my kitty. My husband and I could not have kids, and we love our kitties as much as if they were our children. I feel I could really have turned a corner with my mood after all the hell I've been through - it really put things in perspective for me - but now that I know Jack is so sick, my determination to focus more on the positive and try to use more positive coping skills has gone out the window.:(
Kat
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 5, 2013, at 10:14:10
In reply to Propaganda » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 2:15:39
> > > Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written above that I am to leave Kat alone.
> > This forum is for support and education.
>
> But you are wrong so often, that it is difficult to call what you do as being "education". I call it de-education. You attempt to accomplish this through the use of misinformation and propaganda.
>
> > Support is not the same as reinforcement.
>
> I guess support is in the mind of the beholder. In my mind, what you do is not supportive.
>
> > Now education is important here in a great way. And to suppress any facts is what kills education and could lead one down a false path.
>
> What you purport to be facts are usually falsehoods. I demonstrate this to you all of the time, yet you make no adjustments in your presentations. I don't expect you to, though. It is not my goal to change your mind about anything. My debating you is for the support and education of others. Otherwise, I really don't care what you believe. If your belief system works for you, then you are probably best left alone.
>
> > To repress one member's voice leads to the loss of education to other paths.
>
> No one is repressing your voice, otherwise, you would be blocked from posting here. However, free speech is not absolute. Nor is it to go unchallenged. I would prefer that you don't post here at all, but those are decisions to be made by you and Dr. Hsiung.
>
> > And education that is prohibited is not education at all,
>
> You won't sneak that by me. Education is in the mind of the beholder, just as it is with support. That you portray falehoods as facts prevents me from characterizing what you do as promoting education.
>
> > but only an indoctrination to one person's thinking.
>
> That's what propaganda is. I am greatly relieved to see that very few people are indoctrinated to your way of thinking.
>
> > And when one person's thinking here is all that you can have, then you get a deception,
>
> First of all, I do not believe that anyone has heretofore stated that there should be but one voice on Psycho-Babble. In reality there is more than one, otherwise we wouldn't be having this exchange. Sometimes, all that is needed to attain a noble goal is a single voice. However, it need not be exclusive to carry its message.
>
> > a deception that becomes an indoctrination, an indoctrination that could lead to death.
>
> I believe that your words can lead to death.
>
> > My friends, be not deceived.
>
> Who do you claim is doing the deceiving?
>
> Lou Pilder, I am convinced that there is nothing I can say that would prompt you to desist from posting misinformed propaganda. Quite frankly, I am not interested in your motives, only in your behaviors. I care about how your posts are to be received by others, many of whom are in a state of desperation and vulnerable to the disinfomation you would use to de-educate them.
>
>
> - Scott
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1034274.html
>
> Friends,
What you read about me here that are lies about me and lies about Jews has historical parallel that I am prevented from postinh here due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. Yet today, the research continually exposes the risks of death and life-ruining conditions/addictions caused by psychiatric drugs prescribed legally by a psychiatrist/doctor and that what I am posting here is the truth here, truth that could save your life and prevent the lives of innocent children and others being taken away by those that take these drugs promoted here.
The issues of saying that trileptal does not have the risk of agranulocytosis is not true, for even the fda admits to the fact that trileptal can cause agranulocytosis.
For me to post this warning that coul save your lif, or the life of a child given this drug, is supportive in any forum, unless that forum wants their members to think that trileptal can not cause agranulocytosis, which can be fatal.
My friens, uncovering false statements is supportive an any forum, and more so as this forum goes on and on witrh allowing defamtion t be heaoped upon me here, all allowed by Mr Hsiung that states that support takes precedence. Yet today, people could b led to believe that Trileptal does not carry the risk of aganulocytosis by the nature that members here can post what you see here about me which could give you hostil, disagreeable feelings about me for Mr Hsiung is allowing those hateful statements toward me to stand. But I say to you, take no thought for the hateful statements toward me here that could arouse ill-will toward me, but seek the truth that could lead to life. For many are here that use hate that could be a tool that could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in me as a person and what I am posting here that could save your life.
Here is a link t what the fda states in relation to Trileptal having the risk of agranulocytosis. Are they posting a lie? Am I posting a lie? Is this "misinformation"?
Lou
http;//fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/ucm250545.htm
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 10:16:58
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 2:27:34
Once again, thanks so much Scott. You have been so kind and understanding it almost makes me want to cry (in a good way). I cannot thank you enough :)
I understand how things can go off on a tangent, but it was very nice of you to restore my original subject line. I appreciate it very much. :)
Kat
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 5, 2013, at 10:18:22
In reply to Lou's response-misinfo?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 5, 2013, at 10:14:10
> > > > Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > It is written above that I am to leave Kat alone.
> > > This forum is for support and education.
> >
> > But you are wrong so often, that it is difficult to call what you do as being "education". I call it de-education. You attempt to accomplish this through the use of misinformation and propaganda.
> >
> > > Support is not the same as reinforcement.
> >
> > I guess support is in the mind of the beholder. In my mind, what you do is not supportive.
> >
> > > Now education is important here in a great way. And to suppress any facts is what kills education and could lead one down a false path.
> >
> > What you purport to be facts are usually falsehoods. I demonstrate this to you all of the time, yet you make no adjustments in your presentations. I don't expect you to, though. It is not my goal to change your mind about anything. My debating you is for the support and education of others. Otherwise, I really don't care what you believe. If your belief system works for you, then you are probably best left alone.
> >
> > > To repress one member's voice leads to the loss of education to other paths.
> >
> > No one is repressing your voice, otherwise, you would be blocked from posting here. However, free speech is not absolute. Nor is it to go unchallenged. I would prefer that you don't post here at all, but those are decisions to be made by you and Dr. Hsiung.
> >
> > > And education that is prohibited is not education at all,
> >
> > You won't sneak that by me. Education is in the mind of the beholder, just as it is with support. That you portray falehoods as facts prevents me from characterizing what you do as promoting education.
> >
> > > but only an indoctrination to one person's thinking.
> >
> > That's what propaganda is. I am greatly relieved to see that very few people are indoctrinated to your way of thinking.
> >
> > > And when one person's thinking here is all that you can have, then you get a deception,
> >
> > First of all, I do not believe that anyone has heretofore stated that there should be but one voice on Psycho-Babble. In reality there is more than one, otherwise we wouldn't be having this exchange. Sometimes, all that is needed to attain a noble goal is a single voice. However, it need not be exclusive to carry its message.
> >
> > > a deception that becomes an indoctrination, an indoctrination that could lead to death.
> >
> > I believe that your words can lead to death.
> >
> > > My friends, be not deceived.
> >
> > Who do you claim is doing the deceiving?
> >
> > Lou Pilder, I am convinced that there is nothing I can say that would prompt you to desist from posting misinformed propaganda. Quite frankly, I am not interested in your motives, only in your behaviors. I care about how your posts are to be received by others, many of whom are in a state of desperation and vulnerable to the disinfomation you would use to de-educate them.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1034274.html
> >
> > Friends,
> What you read about me here that are lies about me and lies about Jews has historical parallel that I am prevented from postinh here due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. Yet today, the research continually exposes the risks of death and life-ruining conditions/addictions caused by psychiatric drugs prescribed legally by a psychiatrist/doctor and that what I am posting here is the truth here, truth that could save your life and prevent the lives of innocent children and others being taken away by those that take these drugs promoted here.
> The issues of saying that trileptal does not have the risk of agranulocytosis is not true, for even the fda admits to the fact that trileptal can cause agranulocytosis.
> For me to post this warning that coul save your lif, or the life of a child given this drug, is supportive in any forum, unless that forum wants their members to think that trileptal can not cause agranulocytosis, which can be fatal.
> My friens, uncovering false statements is supportive an any forum, and more so as this forum goes on and on witrh allowing defamtion t be heaoped upon me here, all allowed by Mr Hsiung that states that support takes precedence. Yet today, people could b led to believe that Trileptal does not carry the risk of aganulocytosis by the nature that members here can post what you see here about me which could give you hostil, disagreeable feelings about me for Mr Hsiung is allowing those hateful statements toward me to stand. But I say to you, take no thought for the hateful statements toward me here that could arouse ill-will toward me, but seek the truth that could lead to life. For many are here that use hate that could be a tool that could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in me as a person and what I am posting here that could save your life.
> Here is a link t what the fda states in relation to Trileptal having the risk of agranulocytosis. Are they posting a lie? Am I posting a lie? Is this "misinformation"?
> Lou
> http;//fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/ucm250545.htm
>
> correction to link:
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/ucm250545.htm
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 10:30:57
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:09:22
> Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
Thanks for the defense Phillipa!! It's nice to have such great friends who watch out for me. But don't worry; I have learned not to even read Lou's posts. I think that is a positive coping skill, what do you think? :)
Kat
Posted by Phil on January 5, 2013, at 11:00:10
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Phillipa, posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 10:30:57
Kat, Happy that you got through one of the most challenging situations I've ever heard related to meds.
Doctors are right, always right but they are wrong. Sad state of affairs.
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 5, 2013, at 11:25:56
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » ChicagoKat, posted by Phil on January 5, 2013, at 11:00:10
> Kat, Happy that you got through one of the most challenging situations I've ever heard related to meds.
> Doctors are right, always right but they are wrong. Sad state of affairs.Thank you so very much Phil, and I completely agree with you.
Kat
Posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 12:07:52
In reply to correction: Lou's response-misinfo?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 5, 2013, at 10:18:22
It is unfortunate that you insinuate that I tell lies.
This is a disgusting attempt at disinformation (not misinformation).
If even so much as one case of agranulocytosis can be attributed to Trileptal (oxcarbazepine) as cause and effect, I would like you to present it. You won't find a single report of this on Medline/Pubmed. Anticonvulsants are very often combined, and it would be difficult to determine if Trileptal were the drug responsible for the reaction. That your citation has determined that the occurrence of agranulocytosis in association with Trileptal is rare leads me to believe that the risk is virtually zero. On Medline, there is a total of one report of neutropenia and no reports of agranulocytosis.
Try again. See if you can find any lies.
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By the way, what motivates you to change the subject line of each post that you submit such that it includes your name and neglects the issue being discussed? Whenever you do this to me, I feel that you have no respect for me or my needs, and that you are not at all supportive of me.
- Scott
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