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Posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 13:58:19
In reply to feel finished, posted by g_g_g_unit on December 26, 2012, at 7:48:12
g,
i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
-b
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 14:01:50
In reply to Re: feel finished » g_g_g_unit, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 13:58:19
> g,
>
> i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
>
> hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
You'll be okay.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 14:16:04
In reply to Re: feel finished » brynb, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 14:01:50
> > g,
> >
> > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> >
> > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
>
>
> You'll be okay.
>
>
> - ScottS,
You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
Lou
Posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 14:22:59
In reply to Lou's request-ohkey? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 14:16:04
> > > g,
> > >
> > > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> > >
> > > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
> >
> >
> > You'll be okay.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> S,
> You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
> By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
> Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
> Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
> LouSeriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING.
It's nice to hear a simple sentiment that reassures things will work out from someone who understands how you feel. It helped me. So just stop posting junk and find a new hobby because it seems your posts are no longer aimed at being helpful.
-b
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 14:47:05
In reply to Re: Lou's request-ohkey? » Lou Pilder, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 14:22:59
> > > > g,
> > > >
> > > > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> > > >
> > > > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > You'll be okay.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > S,
> > You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
> > By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
> > Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
> > Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
> > Lou
>
> Seriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING.
>
> It's nice to hear a simple sentiment that reassures things will work out from someone who understands how you feel. It helped me. So just stop posting junk and find a new hobby because it seems your posts are no longer aimed at being helpful.
>
> -b,
You wrote,[...clearly you don't...DON"T WRITE xxx....]..[...reasures that things will work out...stop posting xxx...your posts are no longer aimed at being xxx...].
Please do not wtrite what could be thought to be distrespectful to me in my attempts to save lives here and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and prevent innocent people from being murdered by those taking mind-altering drugs given by a psychiatrist/doctor. Your statements here about me are lies.
The aspect of assuring someone in a crisis that takes mind-altering drugs or is withdrawaling from them could lead to a false idea that taking the drugs will lead them out of their dispair and depresssion while the drugs could sink them into a deeper depression into the pit of suicide/murder.
And to you parents that are trying to make a decision as to drug your child or not in collabortation with a psychiatrist/doctor, I say to you to find out the truth so that your child is not killed by the drugs or that your child does not kill others. There is a continual unfolding of knowledge that debunks the "chemical imbalance" theory and shows that the imbalance is caused by the drugs. Will this member be Ok? Do you want your child to suffer what you see in the poster's writings here?
There is a way for people to come out of the darkness of depression and addiction and have a new life, and be healed. I am prevented not only by Mr Hsiung from posting that here, but also look at the attack by members toward me here in trying to stop me from saving lives. And Mr Hsiung is allowing it, allowing the defamation toward me. And this forum is for support. Support of what?
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 15:26:00
In reply to Lou's request-ohkey? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 14:16:04
> > > g,
> > >
> > > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> > >
> > > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
> >
> >
> > You'll be okay.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> S,
> You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
> By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
> Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
> Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
> Lou
I worry about you, Lou. I'm not sure that you will be okay.
- Scott
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 16:02:28
In reply to Re: Lou's request-ohkey? » Lou Pilder, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 14:22:59
"Seriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING."
Lou, your concerns about a life based upon "future treatments" are justified.
At 54, I finally realize that happiness and wholeness comes from serving others.
If we put that within a Christian framework then it becomes obvious.Meds can help but they should not become a lifestyle.
BTW, shouldn't the original post be in Psycho-Babble Psychology?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 16:21:14
In reply to Re: Lou's request-ohkey? » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 15:26:00
> > > > g,
> > > >
> > > > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> > > >
> > > > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > You'll be okay.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > S,
> > You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
> > By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
> > Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
> > Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
> > Lou
>
>
> I worry about you, Lou. I'm not sure that you will be okay.
>
>
> - Scott
> You wrote the above.
Is that a threat?
Lou
>
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 16:51:43
In reply to Lou's reply- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 16:21:14
> I worry about you, Lou. I'm not sure that you will be okay.
>
>
> - Scott
> You wrote the above.
"Is that a threat?
Lou"Lou-
I doubt Scott is threatening you.
I can see how you would feel that way considering
the intolerance some people have for divergent, or
even emerging viewpoints. Also, when we stop
medications we may feel especially vulnerable.I am struggling with a tardive diagnosis myself.
A really good p-doc will assist with withdrawl
and its symptoms.You are on to something. Just stay positive.
:-)
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 17:06:31
In reply to Lou's reply- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 16:21:14
> > > > > g,
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm not sure i can add anything more to what other posters so precisely and eloquently already posted, except that I get it. And I'm in the same(ish) position as you right now, except I'm a young/old 38-year old.
> > > > >
> > > > > hang in there. that's what i'm trying to do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You'll be okay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > >
> > > S,
> > > You wrote,[...You'll be okay...].
> > > By what authority do you use, if any, to write that the poster {will} be okay? There are people here that have died, so they are not okay unless desth is okay, which I do not consider to be okay.
> > > Your statement could cause the suicide of the poster, or lead to a life-ruining condition or addiction or for the poster to commit mass-murder by the nature that the poster could think that by you saying the *will* be okay that they could continue taking mind-altering addicting drugs that even in withdrawal a mind-altered state could happen for them to kill themselves or others.
> > > Freinds, the state of mind that the poster writes about here is a state of mind in a crisis that if not addressed could lead to death and/or the deaths of others. The records shows where the road of psychiatric drugs leads to. Unless a detour is taken, what aasurance could this poster have that they will be okay?
> > > Lou
> >
> >
> > I worry about you, Lou. I'm not sure that you will be okay.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> > You wrote the above.
> Is that a threat?
No. It is not a threat. Don't worry.I am genuinely concerned about you. That's all.
- Scott
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 26, 2012, at 17:18:48
In reply to feel finished, posted by g_g_g_unit on December 26, 2012, at 7:48:12
GGG
have you tried
*a high dose SSRI (say, Sertaline 200mg-300mg)
per day plus nortriptyline or Edronax*Parnate plus nortriptyline
*High dose Effexor (300mg/day) plus mirtazapine
*Nardil plus nortriptyline
*Low dose atypical antipsychotics combined with various antidepressants
Dont give up, there are plenty of end of the line approaches
A period as an inpatient at a private facility would also give you some time-out.... please dont give up mate, there are still things you probaboy havent tried, and new discoveries are being made all the time.
One thing - you seem fairly intolorant of side effedcts - given that you have a life threatening condition, i think yiou may beed to accept that you'll have to put up with some side effects in order to effectively treat your disorder, done be afraid of high dose SSRI's, they arnt goingt to make you a zombie, especialy if you add an activating antidepressant like Edronax to the mix
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 17:58:29
In reply to Brynb - Please be civil., posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 16:02:28
> "Seriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING."
>
> Lou, your concerns about a life based upon "future treatments" are justified.I must have missed something in Lou's writings. What are "future treatments", and what would a life based upon them look like?
> At 54, I finally realize that happiness and wholeness comes from serving others.
> If we put that within a Christian framework then it becomes obvious.That's great that you have found a spiritual construct that works for *you*. I can't say that I feel a part of your "we", though. As for me, I tend to lean towards Buddhism. I like Judaism, too. Fortunately, my spirituality has helped save my life and provides me with a way to see the obvious - that which makes *me* happy and whole. This certainly includes helping others, although not necessarily serving them. I serve me when I help others.
> Meds can help but they should not become a lifestyle.
In what ways can meds become a lifestyle? I don't understand. What would such a lifestyle look like?
> BTW, shouldn't the original post be in Psycho-Babble Psychology?
Probably not. I don't think the issue is one of psychodynamics. To me, it looks more like a person in the throes of desperation reaching out as they struggle to live with a painful and refractory illness. Would psychotherapy help? My guess is that it could help influence in a positive manner the content and of one's thoughts and impart a more positive outlook. It is a matter of helping someone survive their illness. The most pressing issue is one of outlook and morale. This is not so different from someone facing any other critical medical condition who has failed to respond to numerous treatments. Since no one forum on Psycho-Babble is devoted to providing this kind of support, I guess this one is as good as any.
- Scott
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 17:59:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 16:51:43
I have really admired your "voice"
over the years. Thank you.
Posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 18:35:56
In reply to Brynb - Please be civil., posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 16:02:28
> "Seriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING."
>
> Lou, your concerns about a life based upon "future treatments" are justified.
>
> At 54, I finally realize that happiness and wholeness comes from serving others.
> If we put that within a Christian framework then it becomes obvious.
>
> Meds can help but they should not become a lifestyle.
> BTW, shouldn't the original post be in Psycho-Babble Psychology?
>
>
Did I miss something here? How, in any way, am I being uncivil in what I wrote? Is it less civil than being called (in other posts) an anti-semite (when I'm Jewish, to boot), or a list of other ridiculous sounding accusations?I'd like to think that I contribute positivity to this forum, and I've had only positive experiences and positive connections here until now.
I'm currently in a very depressed state and feel quite similar to g unit. And I'm feeling very sensitive. Perhaps overly sensitive, but your comment really hurt me.
What's uncivil about telling a poster who continuously hijacks threads to promote his thoughts on psychopharmacology to not do so when he's not adding something positive? Did I use profanity? Was I terribly rude? I don't think so, and I doubt many others here who have taken offense to Lou would agree.
I believe an apology is in order.
-bryn
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 18:36:36
In reply to BTW- Scott, posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 17:59:41
> I have really admired your "voice"
> over the years. Thank you.
I know that I can be a pain in the butt sometimes.
- Scott
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 18:51:45
In reply to Re: Brynb - Please be civil. » DavidSmith, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 17:58:29
When I started this journey with psychiatry
(twenty years ago!), I often looked for the
new or better medication which would help me.
I should have been looking at how I was living my life instead.I was not exercising regularly. My diet consisted mostly of processed foods.
I had dental amalgams in my mouth which
should have been attended to.I relied on the medications to make me happy.
Even though I found solace and stability in pills,
I still kept myself removed from the world
and perhaps that was my biggest mistake.Now my expectations are more realistic.
After twelve therapists, I found someone I would
listen to (THANKS DALE!).Meds do have their place. But it is not appropriate for us to make
detailed suggestions and combinations to people
we meet online. I will admit though, that some
of PB's posters seem to know more than some Pdocs
I have met!Christ, Buddah, whatever your preference.
It is Christmastime and I thought it relevant.I am impressed with the introspection g_g_g_unit
has made. They have all the tools to make the
right choices for themselves.
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 19:13:28
In reply to Re: Brynb - Please be civil. » DavidSmith, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 18:35:56
Dear Bryn,
You have my sincere apology.
I know that there are people
on this site who are hurting other posters
(whether intentionally or not).I also recognize that I do not post often
and that your history with Lou is different (perhaps) than mine.What I am concerned about is maintaining
a positive vibe and I thought the words:
"and clearly you don't" were hurtful.I know personally about racism
and many of the other "isms" out there.
It does not feel good.
I have had strangers say to me:
"You're a little different, aren't you?"I thought that the main point of
Dr. Bob's civility rule is to generate positive
feelings within ourselves, thereby
strengthening the GOOD pathways in our brain.
I hope you feel better starting right now.Again, please accept my apologies for being overly critical.
David
Posted by baseball55 on December 26, 2012, at 19:19:16
In reply to feel finished, posted by g_g_g_unit on December 26, 2012, at 7:48:12
I was in the depths of despair a year and a half ago. I could find no reason to go on. I was desperate and suicidal. I had tried all kinds of drugs, ECT, bilateral ECT, the gamut. My p-doc insisted I try DBT which I had tried before in a group and hadn't really benefited from. I found a DBT therapist, the three of us met together and I made a committment to try for three months, to really work at it and promise to keep myself alive. It worked. I've worked hard at it. You have to work hard at these things. It's no joke to be suicidal and consider leaving your family devastated. I also found that lamictal helps reduce suicidal thoughts. It doesn't do much else, but for me that's enough. There is help. You just have to force yourself to find the resources to look for it and to work on it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 19:21:49
In reply to Re: Brynb - Please be civil. » DavidSmith, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 18:35:56
> > "Seriously, Lou, if you have nothing positive to add, and clearly you don't, then DON'T WRITE ANYTHING."
> >
> > Lou, your concerns about a life based upon "future treatments" are justified.
> >
> > At 54, I finally realize that happiness and wholeness comes from serving others.
> > If we put that within a Christian framework then it becomes obvious.
> >
> > Meds can help but they should not become a lifestyle.
> > BTW, shouldn't the original post be in Psycho-Babble Psychology?
> >
> >
> Did I miss something here? How, in any way, am I being uncivil in what I wrote? Is it less civil than being called (in other posts) an anti-semite (when I'm Jewish, to boot), or a list of other ridiculous sounding accusations?
>
> I'd like to think that I contribute positivity to this forum, and I've had only positive experiences and positive connections here until now.
>
> I'm currently in a very depressed state and feel quite similar to g unit. And I'm feeling very sensitive. Perhaps overly sensitive, but your comment really hurt me.
>
> What's uncivil about telling a poster who continuously hijacks threads to promote his thoughts on psychopharmacology to not do so when he's not adding something positive? Did I use profanity? Was I terribly rude? I don't think so, and I doubt many others here who have taken offense to Lou would agree.
>
> I believe an apology is in order.
>
> -bryn
>
>
> bryn,
You wrote,[...called an xxxx...or a list of other..accusations...].
I need to post a response to you here now. I want you to post here now:
A.post the link that has what you say I called you an xxxx
B. post the links to what you say are other accusations.
If you are not going to afford me the opportunity to defend against such defamation toward me here, then I think that could cause the deaths of others by the nature that the defamation toward me could cause others to see me in a false light and ignore my warnings to them that these drugs could cause one to be compeled to commit suicide or murder and then take them, or drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor and their child goes on to a lifetime of suffering and addiction to these drugs.
Lou
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 19:28:07
In reply to Lou's response-wazklwabeht » brynb, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2012, at 19:21:49
And now we see how diverse mental illness can be.
Posted by Emme_V2 on December 26, 2012, at 19:34:53
In reply to feel finished, posted by g_g_g_unit on December 26, 2012, at 7:48:12
> I had no idea that things could reach this point. I've found myself in the pits of depression, agony, despair and so on but always felt some sense of hope or reason to continue.
>
> Now that I've exhausted most pharmacological options and turned quite a pivotal age (27), I've found myself stuck in what I can only describe as an "existential depression". Everything feels utterly pointless. I feel lost, like my dreams are gone, there is nothing to direct myself towards anymore, no vision of a future .. nearly all of my 20s have been consumed by this horrible illness.
>
> I don't know what to do anymore. I know there is only so much professionals can do, but the problem is I don't care about myself enough anymore to want to work with them. My OCD has reached such a terrifying apex that I couldn't even begin to describe how much bizarre phobic avoidance etc. I go through. Trying to piece together some semblance of a life at this point seems impossible. I don't want to live a compromised life, always battling this illness. I *know* that I could have been capable of so much more, and that thought -- what could have been -- eats me up.
>
> I guess this is kind of attention-seeking, but I don't know what to do to help myself. I feel like I'm trying to destroy myself .. I binge on junk food, I've stopped exercising and grooming, I sleep as much as I can, I've started abusing certain prescriptions just so I can socialize occasionally (which is something I never would have done in the past). My therapist gave me suggestions, but I don't even bother enlisting them. I feel like I've just been going round in circles in treatment for the past 6 years, and sitting in a park or listening to calming music isn't going to give me a life back.
>
> I added hospital cover to my health insurance, which means I can qualify for private in-patient treatment at the end of February. But I really struggle to see what a hospital can do that my psychiatrist couldn't. I guess there are certain options I could try, like high-dose SSRI or whatever, but I don't want to end up so numbed/sedated etc. that life just becomes a purgatory.
>
> Sorry for the self-pitying nature of this post. I guess what I'm trying to say in a way is that I really applaud you guys, for continuing to move forward in spite of everything. SLS is really one of the most inspiring people I have come across, and I mean that .. your courage and resilience baffles me.Hi there. Quick note. I'm sorry you're suffering so much. The existential depression you're describing is a terrible state to be in. The horrible things going through your head are a product of the depression. That whole no-vision-of-future thing? Yes, it is the pits. I know it may not feel like it, but 27 is awfully young. I promise you it is. It does sound like a hospital stay might be helpful, but that's a long ways off until late February.
Although I know you're feeling overwhelmed, can I ask a few questions? You may have answered these elsewhere. What do you think of your pdoc? Is he or she up on the research, knowledgeable about the older drugs, etc.? Have you been for a consulting opinion with someone else? Sometimes, no matter how good our doctors are, they need some extra input. What have you been on so far? I'd be surprised if you've truly exhausted all drug options - there's lots of ways to combine things.
Do you feel like your therapist is a good fit?
Have you been tested for thyroid function, B12, vitamin D, etc.? If any of those is off, it'll make things worse. Is there a seasonal component to your suffering?
Then there are alternative remedies (SAM-e, etc.).
What I'm saying is, odds are there are still things to try. It's a real endurance test to survive through all of this. However, you are in good company, so keep fighting!
Posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 20:05:03
In reply to Re: feel finished, posted by baseball55 on December 26, 2012, at 19:19:16
Thanks for the tip on DBT.
Wikipedia has a great article on it.
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 20:38:24
In reply to Re: Brynb - Please be civil. » DavidSmith, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 18:35:56
Bryn I definitely back you with your statement. You said nothing wrong at all. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 23:36:44
In reply to Re: Lifestyle, posted by DavidSmith on December 26, 2012, at 18:51:45
Words are important.
> When I started this journey with psychiatry
> (twenty years ago!), I often looked for the
> new or better medication which would help me.What was wrong with you such that you felt the need to take your first step into the world of psychiatry?
> I should have been looking at how I was living my life instead.
"Instead"? How did psychiatric treatment prevent you from looking at how you were living your life? I can do this while remaining in psychiatric treatment. I don't imagine that I am unique in this regard. Perhaps somatic psychiatric treatment was never appropriate for you.
> I relied on the medications to make me happy.
That was a mistake. Where did you get this idea from?
> Even though I found solace and stability in pills,
How so? From what did you seek this solace? What kind of stability did you find in pills? How did you know that you were more stable?
> I still kept myself removed from the world
> and perhaps that was my biggest mistake.I find that my illness separates me from the world. The depressive state is intrinsically isolating. It is not a matter of choice.
> Now my expectations are more realistic.
Your expectations *are* a matter of choice.
> After twelve therapists, I found someone I would
> listen to (THANKS DALE!).Dale must be a good match for you.
> Meds do have their place.
What is their place?
> But it is not appropriate for us...
"Us"? You and who else?
> ...to make detailed suggestions and combinations to people we meet online.
Why not?
> Christ, Buddah, whatever your preference.
Okay.
You wrote, "At 54, I finally realize that happiness and wholeness comes from serving others. If we put that within a Christian framework then it becomes obvious."
It might be obvious to *you*, but not necessarily to "we" or "us". If I do not choose to put happiness and wholeness within a Christian framework, would it thus never be obvious to me?
Whenever I see someone forcing the word "we" or "us" on others, I tend to wonder from where comes their need to include others in their indoctrinations.
I know, I know. You didn't force anything on anyone...
You and I aren't we. We are you and me. (I'll need to think about that one for awhile).
> I am impressed with the introspection g_g_g_unit has made.
Which one in particular has he made? Why are you so impressed with it?
For what it is worth, I am impressed with his g_g_g_unit's self-awareness and persistence. I am impressed with his determination in the face of many painful disappointments and for remaining receptive to new ideas. For me personally, if he were to find his healing in acupuncture, psychoanalysis, yogurt, or religion, I would be just as happy as if it were to come through one of SLS's treatment suggestions.
> They have all the tools to make the right choices for themselves.
I don't understand what you are saying here. Who is "they", what are the "tools", and what are the "right" choices compared to the wrong choices? I can't figure it out from context.
I need to stop here. I'm getting hoarse.
- Scott
Posted by g_g_g_unit on December 27, 2012, at 0:47:24
In reply to Re: Lifestyle » DavidSmith, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 23:36:44
I just wanted to thank you all for your support and suggestions. I feel a little too overwhelmed to respond individually at this point, but I realize that I have quite a difficult decision ahead of me -- namely to continue with life, treatment and all the attendant hardship it brings -- or to surrender to my own nihilistic impulses. Right now, I feel like I'm in a hole that I'm not going to dig myself out of. I also realize that no one can make that decision for me.
It isn't so much the depression -- if it was depression alone, I could make some changes (maybe work, move out of home) which would help a lot; it's the relentless anxiety and OCD and agoraphobia which rule my life, and which I feel no reprieve from.
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