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Posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 9:00:23
Hi all:
I have detested exercise my whole life. Even when I did it regularly. I find since adding testosterone to Nardil, when I climb steep hills or need to walk somewhere not close very fast, I get the "runner's high" I have been hearing about all my life, but never have had, until now.
Isn't that weird? I was in a funky mood yesterday, and ever since my first depressive episode, I've heard to, you know, exercise, go for a walk... never did crap. Now I'll be doing it regularly - something seems to have been missing in sufficient quantities in my body my whole life which is now present.
I might get a gym membership again, the first time I've had one since 1999. I've never been able to lift weights (or even do a pull up, honestly), just cardio, but now that I have more testosterone it might be worth giving a try. Anything that helps me to feel good & healthy, plus of course the superficial benefits. :-)
Exercise DOES work, but you have to be beyond severe-major-depression for it to work. And it's so frustrating to hear that suggestion over and over when it does nothing but make you frustrated.... I know. Trust me.
-z
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2011, at 10:24:04
In reply to Some notes on TRT/response-remission and exercise, posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 9:00:23
Zonked I felt wonderful when could job and teach aerobic dance. I do now wonder if hormones play a factor as find now that post menopausal that excercise is harder and harder but blame age on that and having to ride a bike now as can't run any longer. But I do know the high I miss it so much nothing was ever hard, no problem couldn't be solved when excercising at that time. I do miss it so much. I'm glad you have experienced the high it used to hit me about half an hour after the run the answer to a problem? Whatever and then was able to relax. I wonder if hormones and excercise has been studied? Love Phillipa
Posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 11:16:37
In reply to Re: Some notes on TRT/response-remission and exercise » zonked, posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2011, at 10:24:04
> I wonder if hormones and excercise has been studied? Love Phillipa
I'm sure they have... testosterone is only controlled (CIII) in the US because bodybuilders abuse it; it does not otherwise meet the legal definition of a controlled substance but was scheduled anyway because of the abuse in the athletic/bodybuilding world.
I just was never capable of gaining much from exercise except exhaustion and frustration until recently. Hopefully, the benefits will continue. I should know my lab numbers by November.
As a completely unrelated note, I am going to watch SLS and others' long term response to Viibryd. If it shows consistent effect in TRD, I may eventually switch from Nardil, as it has put the pounds on me big time. A very exciting development, this Viibryd.
Stay well :-)
-z
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2011, at 19:48:29
In reply to Re: Some notes on TRT/response-remission and exercise » Phillipa, posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 11:16:37
Zonked also watching. Wouldn't it be something great if this new category of med really worked for many others as well? Phillipa
Posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 20:17:08
In reply to Re: Some notes on TRT/response-remission and exercise » zonked, posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2011, at 19:48:29
> Zonked also watching. Wouldn't it be something great if this new category of med really worked for many others as well? Phillipa
There should be more research. Unfortunately, I think the manufacturers can only dance around the depression thing (see www.isitlowt.com for the marketing). I don't think we'll ever see a CIII substance marketed for even TRD, especially a hormone.
I think more research should be done on men with T levels in the lowest 25-30% of what is now considered "normal" though. Nobody, especially the medical profession, would want men with high or high-normal T levels going into doctors' offices asking for testosterone. (The potential for faking depressive symptoms to obtain it for illicit [bodybuilding] use is probably far too high. Or to sell it on the street to a female-to-male transexual or something.)
Hormones need a closer look, yep. Adding thyroid is considered "classic" even in cases where TSH is normal. I almost tried Cytomel; I forgot the reason why I didn't!
Another gun in the arsenal I guess, if God forbid, I ever have another full-blown relapse.
-z
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2011, at 23:38:35
In reply to Re: Some notes on TRT/response-remission and exercise » Phillipa, posted by zonked on October 5, 2011, at 20:17:08
I don't know there is a hormone connection as no ad til menopause nor thyroid problems? Antiaging is the new horizon I hope. Phillipa
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