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Posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:55:34
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 15:03:54
> >I hope I'm not speaking too brash--I've only >been on the forum for 1 week. After 4 years of a >depressive and painful college experience, I'm >hoping to get some ideas on new avenues of >action.
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> This is it. I would argue that those with TRD are *more* likely to remain iscolated and not give their impressions of a medication.
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> Those who respond are the ones that want to tell everbody how grrrrreat lexapro is!!!!!
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> Linkadge
>Really stop being so angry. You have to deal with the crap that life dishes out. You just sound so pissed off all the time. I'm not pro med nor anti med. But being mad all the time about what the pharm companies did is not going to make me feel better.
Well goodbye to babble. Of course I will be banned. There actually was a time where there was intelligent discourse about meds. The fact that new drugs were overhyped doesn't mean that has to stop. If anything there is a greater need to search for what works. I guess you just want to wallow in your self pity. Being angry will keep your mind and body sick no matter what herbs or foods you eat.
Be well to all who wish to be well.
Posted by twinleaf on October 2, 2010, at 18:46:18
In reply to Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2010, at 14:01:58
Are you saying that you no longer need luvox or lexapro but cannot get off them because of withdrawal symptoms? I guess we all know that most people have some withdrawal symptoms, ranging from mild to severe, when withdrawing from SSRIs and SNRIs. Because you are on low doses, it shouldn't be too bad or prolonged. I would think the important factor in deciding wether to stay on them or discontinue would be whether or not you and your doctors feel that you NEED them. Perhaps I missed something in your message,
Posted by Phillipa on October 2, 2010, at 19:33:11
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's Philippa, posted by twinleaf on October 2, 2010, at 18:46:18
Twinleaf you got it right. I've already started cutting the lexapro down in half. First day some withdrawal today better. Pdoc has wanted me off luvox for years and thought lexapro might help but am finding that it dosen't help with the getting off luvox just adds another med that just kind of dulls feelings and I do not want dead feeling. Hence remember when on a mere 25mg of luvox felt so much better and just valium 15mg and it's a weak benzo. Thanks for getting what I was trying to say. I've never been depressed just super anxious and kind of OCD. And benzos alone allowed me to live productively for many many years. Phillipa.
Posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 20:51:56
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:47:58
>Blatantly wrong! You based you statement on what >one new person said. That is not the scientific >method.
How about responding to more than one of my points.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:04:10
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:47:58
>There is large volume of people that rate some >drugs. I think that will give a better feeling >about a drug.
Large volume doesn't mean anything. The key here is that for any degree of accuracy, patients must be sampled randomly. If you do go to ask patient, you will notice a few things. For one, there is a relative absense of reports from 3-6 month range. This indicates that a large majority of patients don't make it past the first few weeks on the drug.
In other words, although the sample is large, its not really representitive due to the fact that there is a relative absense of the very group of people who would give a negative report (i.e. the people who stop taking it!!)
>Not scientific and not accurate.
Nothing is scientific and accurate! As I was saying above, the only scientific and accurate way to tell whether the medication actually works (better than placebo) is with a double blind placebo controlled study. We do have those, but they don't really support your viewpoint too well. Other than double blind, placebo controlled studies, its really just speculation.
Self reports are not scientific. For example, sure people might give lexapro a rating of 3.4 out of 4, but what if a population (the same size) was given a placebo? What if the rating of the placebo was 3.3? All of a sudden lexapro doesn't look so great. Perhaps the only reason lexapro is rated higher than other SSRIs is because its the "drug du jour" and the fact that it generally is more tollerable than other SSRIs.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:05:57
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:47:58
>Being angry and venting over and over is not >productive.
Tell me this. Which is less productive: being angry and venting, or being angry and venting about somebody who is being angry and venting?
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:07:44
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:55:34
>There actually was a time where there was >intelligent discourse about meds.
Yeah, I know. That was before you stepped into the argument.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on October 2, 2010, at 21:17:36
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:07:44
Can we call this a discussion please? That's what it was meant to be. Each of our experiences like the good old days. Thanks guys. Phillipa
Posted by weatherfreak on October 2, 2010, at 22:35:45
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on October 2, 2010, at 21:17:36
I have found SSRI/SNRI's to be totally horrid for me personally, I don't ever have problems with tapering benzo's, stims or opiates BUT SSRI/SNRI's leave me a total basket case when I have to adjust the dose or come off them.
That's why I haven't put one in my mouth since 2007 and never ever will again. They don't work for me and never will. The withdrawal is just hell for me. Cold turkey or tapering doesn't make a single difference to me either with these drugs.
Posted by 49er on October 3, 2010, at 4:50:06
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on October 2, 2010, at 21:17:36
> Can we call this a discussion please? That's what it was meant to be. Each of our experiences like the good old days. Thanks guys. Phillipa
Thanks Phillipa, I don't want to see anybody get banned as I appreciate everyone's posts including the folks I disagree with.
49er
Posted by bulldog2 on October 3, 2010, at 10:20:31
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:07:44
> >There actually was a time where there was >intelligent discourse about meds.
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> Yeah, I know. That was before you stepped into the argument.
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> LinkadgeEvery conversation with you is riddled with your agenda. You bend the facts to fit the outcome.
It is obvious in your posts you are a very angry person filled with self loathing.I do feel sorry for you. You are correct on one thing there is no pill for your condition.
Get down on your knees and ask Jesus for help as I believe that is the best course for you to follow.
I will prey for your soul as i believe you are in great peril of crossing over to the dark side.
Posted by bulldog2 on October 3, 2010, at 10:25:58
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:07:44
> >There actually was a time where there was >intelligent discourse about meds.
>
> Yeah, I know. That was before you stepped into the argument.
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> LinkadgeYou claim to be scientific. Yet you come to the discussion with a pre determined outcome. You cherry pick the facts for your conclusions. You throw all kinds of facts around to confuse people. You also change your mind every day and flip flop all over the place like a fish out of water.
The bottom line is had you never taken a drug in your life you would probably be the angry sullen person you are today.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 3, 2010, at 15:37:12
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by sailboat77 on October 2, 2010, at 13:35:07
> On a positive note, I am truly grateful for this forum because I've never had anyone to relate to with my Treatment-Resistant Depression. Having depression alone is sad and lonely, but having TRD is that much more isolating. It's comforting to have someone to relate to. Also, it's tremendously helpful to hear stories about alternative medicines that seem to break the TRD barrier.
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> I hope I'm not speaking too brash--I've only been on the forum for 1 week. After 4 years of a depressive and painful college experience, I'm hoping to get some ideas on new avenues of action.
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> Thanks again to everyone.Sailboat, I find help, info, and support here, too. Other forums are not as helpful with my trd or whatever it is.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 3, 2010, at 16:34:01
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » Phillipa, posted by 49er on October 3, 2010, at 4:50:06
> > Can we call this a discussion please? That's what it was meant to be. Each of our experiences like the good old days. Thanks guys. Phillipa
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> Thanks Phillipa, I don't want to see anybody get banned as I appreciate everyone's posts including the folks I disagree with.
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> 49er
>I appreciate my fellow babblers, too. Link & BD2, stick around, please. I'd like
it. You bring valuable opinions & info to Babble.
>
Posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2010, at 18:59:16
In reply to ditto 49er + Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on October 3, 2010, at 16:34:01
FB what you say is true. And 49er thanks also. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 4, 2010, at 4:39:50
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 3, 2010, at 10:25:58
> Every conversation with you is riddled with your agenda. You bend the facts to fit the outcome.
> It is obvious in your posts you are a very angry person filled with self loathing.I do feel sorry for you.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you. I don't want anything bad to happen to you. In a crisis, please also get help in person. You may also wish to check out a listing compiled by a poster of helpful web pages on coping with crisis at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psycho-babble-tips/links/Coping_with_crisis_001012507973
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Phillipa, 49er, and floatingbridge, thanks for trying to help this time.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 9 weeks
period of time since previous block: 2 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 25.52 rounded = 26 weeks
Posted by floatingbridge on October 4, 2010, at 14:27:33
In reply to Re: blocked for 26 weeks » bulldog2, posted by Dr. Bob on October 4, 2010, at 4:39:50
Jeez, you come back for a brief time, and you've got yourself banned? Arrgh. Don't you know some people like you here?
Posted by sigismund on October 4, 2010, at 17:15:38
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 2, 2010, at 16:47:58
>It is known and often said this forum is largely composed of trd people.
It is often said but I don't believe it is known (one way or the other).
Posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2010, at 19:31:16
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's, posted by sigismund on October 4, 2010, at 17:15:38
Sigi your're right name of board is meds not TRD. So from that I'd say any med question is okay. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 5, 2010, at 14:43:50
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » linkadge, posted by bulldog2 on October 3, 2010, at 10:25:58
Posted by SLS on October 5, 2010, at 14:53:59
In reply to Re: Experiment of own on SSRI's » bulldog2, posted by linkadge on October 2, 2010, at 21:05:57
Posted by floatingbridge on October 5, 2010, at 15:02:49
In reply to I am glad that you are still here, too, Linkadge. (nm) » linkadge, posted by SLS on October 5, 2010, at 14:53:59
Yes, Link, I am :)
See a great idea on admin: on amnesty....
Did BD really get blocked?
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2010, at 20:01:32
In reply to Ditto: I am glad you are still here, too, Linkadge, posted by floatingbridge on October 5, 2010, at 15:02:49
Yes think was 22 weeks? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2010, at 17:58:21
In reply to Re: blocked for 26 weeks » bulldog2, posted by Dr. Bob on October 4, 2010, at 4:39:50
> block length = 25.52 rounded = 26 weeks
doubled = 52 weeks
If someone tries to get around being blocked by posting as someone else, I block the other posting name and extend the duration of the original block:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 4, 2010, at 15:55:41
In reply to Re: blocked for 52 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2010, at 17:58:21
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101014/msgs/968430.html
Thanks,
Bob
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