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Posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 12:27:18
Just enquiring as to whether anyone on the board has used (or knows anyone who has used) botox for depression? How effectively and quickly does it work?
From what i read and saw on video, one of the people involved in the study says it ridded her of the treatment resistant depression she'd had for many years but also suggested she never felt really low during this period, therefore perhaps the people in this study were only mildly depressed and as such the treatment is not as effective for people with depression that is more severe...i hope to be proved wrong here!
On the other hand, studies show that many people with depression and anxiety have inbalances in the cholinergic system. Perhaps individuals with increased acetylcholine/cholinergic sensitivity could be more prone to frowning and the increase in frowning feeds back to the brain worsening depression? Botox blocks the effects of acteylcholine at the synapse...reducing frowning if injected into the brow area, perhaps preventing this negative feedback?
Finally, has anyone suffering from anxiety benefited from botox as the case study proposes that patients reported decreases in anxiety and irribality as well as depression?
rover
Posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 13:08:36
In reply to Botox for depression?, posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 12:27:18
Oh wow that is super interesting to me. I do know I have that horrible mean line across the bridge of my nose. No botox. But I do know that fixing my eyes plastic surgery lifted my mood as my eyes drooped. So it sure sounds like it could work? You have a link? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 13:35:13
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » rovers95, posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 13:08:36
> Oh wow that is super interesting to me. I do know I have that horrible mean line across the bridge of my nose. No botox. But I do know that fixing my eyes plastic surgery lifted my mood as my eyes drooped. So it sure sounds like it could work? You have a link? Thanks Phillipa
A lot of what i have said is just me hypothesing from the research that i have done through google etc. The link is an article from a popular english broadsheet explaining the study, i can't find any direct links
There has been another more widely reported study in the states, but this one, unlike the above didn't have a non-botox group.
http://bipolar.about.com/b/2009/06/24/botox-as-a-treatment-for-depression.htm
There's a few video's as i think it featured on abc news over there...its on youtube. In this study the Dr theorises that its facial feedback causing this improvement. I am seriously considering it as an option and enquired about it today, you can get one area for around £100 in the UK...but as a young male, i will keeping it in on the quiet, ha!
rover
Posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 13:55:14
In reply to Re: Botox for depression?, posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 13:35:13
Rovers thanks why keep it quiet here it's common. Graduation presents for females are breast implants. Botox is just an injection I'd brag about it if it works. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 13:59:05
In reply to Re: Botox for depression?, posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 13:35:13
Can it be used with autoimmune thyroiditis or would the body reject it? Thanks Phillipa ps a dermatologist here wouldn't give it to me a few years ago cause of that but is thyroid true autoimmune disease?
Posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 17:02:24
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » rovers95, posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 13:55:14
> Rovers thanks why keep it quiet here it's common. Graduation presents for females are breast implants. Botox is just an injection I'd brag about it if it works. Love Phillipa
Ha, i just say it in jest as its not very "macho" - not that i would ever let that stand on my way! As for the thyroid issue, im not entirely sure either way although i haven't seen anything to suggest that you would have a problem...especially seen as botox doesn't spread from the injection area? Probably worth a go if you find it cost effective enough for you!
rover
Posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 20:40:17
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » Phillipa, posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 17:02:24
Rovers did you click on the advertisement next to link on mini lift said the botox only lasts for a few months. Uggg. Love Phillipa
Posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 4:28:20
In reply to Botox for depression?, posted by rovers95 on November 23, 2009, at 12:27:18
My neurologist wants me to try botox for tension headaches. Obviously, tension, anxiety, and depression are related. He will not inject cosmetic points though, meaning "Phillipa's" frow. I will pay out of pocket for it though. I am not suddenly looking younger elsewhere but there.
Posted by rovers95 on November 24, 2009, at 7:49:42
In reply to Re: Botox for depression?, posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 4:28:20
> My neurologist wants me to try botox for tension headaches. Obviously, tension, anxiety, and depression are related. He will not inject cosmetic points though, meaning "Phillipa's" frow. I will pay out of pocket for it though. I am not suddenly looking younger elsewhere but there.
Yeah, the dr suggests inbetween the brow for depression, just as a point of note the cardiff uni study suggests that its not just the botox but the other botinulum toxin brand names where others had improvement, as i believe in europe it is common for Dysport to be used. I have booked myself in for next tuesday....wish me luck!
rover
Posted by rovers95 on November 24, 2009, at 7:58:00
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » rovers95, posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2009, at 20:40:17
> Rovers did you click on the advertisement next to link on mini lift said the botox only lasts for a few months. Uggg. Love Phillipa
Yeah, i have read this elsewhere, in the US study one patient's mood went back to previous levels after 2 months, and on the second injection she was once again relieved of her depression. As such, the doc suggests that people's milage on this may vary and that you may need to go back every 3 months or so, before the botox wears off.
rover
Posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 8:24:26
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » Phillipa, posted by rovers95 on November 24, 2009, at 7:58:00
> > Rovers did you click on the advertisement next to link on mini lift said the botox only lasts for a few months. Uggg. Love Phillipa
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> Yeah, i have read this elsewhere, in the US study one patient's mood went back to previous levels after 2 months, and on the second injection she was once again relieved of her depression. As such, the doc suggests that people's milage on this may vary and that you may need to go back every 3 months or so, before the botox wears off.
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> roverBotox injections should last 3 months. I have a sister who does it for cosmetic reasons. It lasts 3 to 4 months.
I can see how it might help my tension headaches, perrrrhaps my anxiety, but, honestly guys, depression?
Posted by rovers95 on November 24, 2009, at 10:53:03
In reply to Re: Botox for depression?, posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 8:24:26
> > > Rovers did you click on the advertisement next to link on mini lift said the botox only lasts for a few months. Uggg. Love Phillipa
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> > Yeah, i have read this elsewhere, in the US study one patient's mood went back to previous levels after 2 months, and on the second injection she was once again relieved of her depression. As such, the doc suggests that people's milage on this may vary and that you may need to go back every 3 months or so, before the botox wears off.
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> > rover
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> Botox injections should last 3 months. I have a sister who does it for cosmetic reasons. It lasts 3 to 4 months.
> I can see how it might help my tension headaches, perrrrhaps my anxiety, but, honestly guys, depression?There are a couple of links on of my above posts outlining the studies, cholinergic hyperactivity has been hypothesised in a number of disorders e.g. depression, anxiety, parkinsons.
rover
Posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2009, at 20:17:29
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » fattoush, posted by rovers95 on November 24, 2009, at 10:53:03
I just remember how great I felt when the weight of the extra skin on eyelids removed felt like I woke up. So will it remove the crease across my nose? I hate it. Anxiety is my main issue. Love Phillipa
Posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 23:06:23
In reply to Re: Botox for depression?, posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2009, at 20:17:29
> I just remember how great I felt when the weight of the extra skin on eyelids removed felt like I woke up. So will it remove the crease across my nose? I hate it. Anxiety is my main issue. Love Phillipa
I know he's not touching my eyelids. He said only tension headache points. How did you get to do your eyelids? Paid out of pocket? He thinks botox is useless for migraines, by the way.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by crease. If there's a deep ridge, botox is not so good anymore, they use Restylane, more expensive, lasts much longer.
Posted by Phillipa on November 25, 2009, at 20:10:02
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? » Phillipa, posted by fattoush on November 24, 2009, at 23:06:23
I was lucky with eyelids as this plastic surgeon had moved down to where we were at the time living little hick town and used me as an experiment to see if the tiny hospital there could make money with cosmetic proceedures so a bleps? Upper and lower removed the fat pockets below and tightened the upper lids. Only 2500 and the hospital same but since I was the first didn't have to pay hospital. He did a fabulous job worked at the very best hospitals in NYC. As for the crease it's very deep. Had restylane and didn't take. So guess that's out. Thanks Love Phillipa
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