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Posted by manic666 on March 31, 2009, at 13:26:15
ok , im nuts we all no that but my crap med range in england it limited, now when i came off the ven, i used 5htp an it seemed ok , i was even thinking of aborting the new med the shrink had me lined up for,you no i took valerian , a little to much at the start an had baboon bum,but it seemed carming , i tried lemon barm , an sleeped on a 275mg tab all be two 1mg loz, but they are the norm, like you guys use a varierty of meds to help you, you no i carnt acess them , has there been an experiment were they have bunched a few herb meds an found the coctail to work , the lemon barm say,s on the jar 2 three times a day that to me seem,s a lot , but if one helped all but a bit to heed sleep what would 6 275mg do could it act as a benzo type med without the addiction to late for me im afraid but then again?
Posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 13:39:38
In reply to hippy meds ,there must be something in it, posted by manic666 on March 31, 2009, at 13:26:15
Hi manic,
Not sure about the lemon balm but....you are looking for safe natural ways to get a benzo effect? if you are there any many options available in britian for you that are natural and considered pretty safe:
These you can buy in britain for cheap and work like benzos (also no dr needed):
a) Scullcap extract (I like it - works like clonazepam but weaker)
-scullcap has actually been used to help people withdraw from valium to some successb) niacinamide (part of vitamin B3 - good benzo-like relaxer)
c) magnesium citrate (benzo-like feel)
d) hops (yep - just like in ale)
sleep aid with benzo-like feel
These natural options are much weaker than real prescription benzos of course but they help relax you to sleep or go about your day with less anxiety. All are available in herb shops, wont have to spend much quid for them eithermyco
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> ok , im nuts we all no that but my crap med range in england it limited, now when i came off the ven, i used 5htp an it seemed ok , i was even thinking of aborting the new med the shrink had me lined up for,you no i took valerian , a little to much at the start an had baboon bum,but it seemed carming , i tried lemon barm , an sleeped on a 275mg tab all be two 1mg loz, but they are the norm, like you guys use a varierty of meds to help you, you no i carnt acess them , has there been an experiment were they have bunched a few herb meds an found the coctail to work , the lemon barm say,s on the jar 2 three times a day that to me seem,s a lot , but if one helped all but a bit to heed sleep what would 6 275mg do could it act as a benzo type med without the addiction to late for me im afraid but then again?
Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 13:49:16
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » manic666, posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 13:39:38
Myco I take 500mg of magnesium citrate a night it doesn't relax me any idea why? Love Phillipa
Posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 14:31:02
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » myco, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 13:49:16
Yep I have a good Jan
Since magnesium citrate works on benzo receptors to some extent and youve been on benzos for years...basically it's tolerance. The magnesium is to weak for you to feel...your valium and xanax overpower or "negate" the benzo-like effect of magnesium.
These natural benzo-like herbs are really only effective if the patient is not taking a benzo regularly already. They arent strong enough to feel over the rx strength benzo. For me they are good since i'm only allowed a tiny wee bit of temazepam once in awhile. So they are/were life savers to some extent when I started nardil. they were all I had for sleep for almost 3 months.
> Myco I take 500mg of magnesium citrate a night it doesn't relax me any idea why? Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 20:31:32
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » Phillipa, posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 14:31:02
Same with buspar. Love Phillipa
Posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 21:16:03
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » myco, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 20:31:32
Jan ive read studies and talked to people who have taken buspar....the evidence that it works at any decent extent is slim. Nothing convinced me it was work the effort really...seems like a failed med to me...perhaps similar in reputation to moclobemide (that reversable maoi that has a crap reputation)....for some they are good but for most people with severe issues they dont cut it.
> Same with buspar. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 21:26:36
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » Phillipa, posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 21:16:03
Myco did squat for me in other words nothing. Love Jan
Posted by manic666 on April 1, 2009, at 3:21:12
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » myco, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2009, at 21:26:36
dont forget im on 4mg of loz a day , an i say the lemon balm must over ride the loz to some extent .i stopped the valerian as it sedatates an zoloft aready more than dose that,so ye if you came of benzos real slow would usein one of the herbs be better,than a withdrawl med.i mean if i have a reaction on one lemon barm tab an the dose is 6 a day , in therory that would speed up the withdrawl an we all could be hippies. have a read on the lemon balm see what you think.
Posted by manic666 on April 1, 2009, at 3:27:46
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » manic666, posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 13:39:38
myco, niacin is one yes but you should remember the none flush type unless you fancy a babbon *rs* face red.
Posted by myco on April 1, 2009, at 9:35:34
In reply to hy myco, posted by manic666 on April 1, 2009, at 3:21:12
Sounds like lemon balm is worth a go.
I'll have a wee look at that one...i've never tried it.Thnx for the advice
How are you feeling these days manic? You post occasionally but not enough to get an idea if youre well or not. I'm already a hippy lol got the long hair and everything lolmyco
-----------> dont forget im on 4mg of loz a day , an i say the lemon balm must over ride the loz to some extent .i stopped the valerian as it sedatates an zoloft aready more than dose that,so ye if you came of benzos real slow would usein one of the herbs be better,than a withdrawl med.i mean if i have a reaction on one lemon barm tab an the dose is 6 a day , in therory that would speed up the withdrawl an we all could be hippies. have a read on the lemon balm see what you think.
Posted by myco on April 1, 2009, at 9:38:55
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it, posted by manic666 on April 1, 2009, at 3:27:46
I've never tried the 'niacin' but i like 'niacinamide'. Vitamin B3 has two components (at least that I know of):
1) niacin
2) niacinamideNiacinamide is the benzo-like one. The one worth a go in my opinion. It helped me get some sleep on many nights when my insomnia was horrible.
I think a red *rs* comes from a good bollocking to though lol i've had a few of those already on babble lol. Hey manic....I want another ace joke of yours when you have time.
myco
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> myco, niacin is one yes but you should remember the none flush type unless you fancy a babbon *rs* face red.
Posted by manic666 on April 1, 2009, at 12:42:11
In reply to Re: hy myco » manic666, posted by myco on April 1, 2009, at 9:35:34
myco . im ok not great but ok, the med trials have left me weak an drained ,an the hospital stuff over a year an a half ago damaged me the bastards, but this is a life time illness an i have lead one hell of a life,2 daughters to two different ladies before 20.partied day an night been front man in a couple of bands ,fought this illness all the *ucking way, dyslexic , why do i always put g for c .did you see the who vid i put on babble pete townsend off his head that was me,sleeping we have a cold remerdy in england called night nurse, that knocks you spark out , but only aloud can buy 1 bottle at a time ,as it is a smack head favorit
Posted by yxibow on April 5, 2009, at 5:04:31
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it » manic666, posted by myco on March 31, 2009, at 13:39:38
I almost read that as 'happy meds'. :)
Hops -- well, hey they are distantly related to marijuana, so who knows whether they add more than just flavour to beer.
Niacin -- either I took an esoteric version that wasn't right (it was supposedly non-flushing), or I had a reaction to it -- it definitely wasn't anxiolytic, it made me very nervous and flushing occurred anyhow.
Now Kava extracts, there's a different thing -- sparingly using liquid gels that have specific kavalactone amounts listed -- well it can be quite heavenly for those who suffer from back spasms and stiffness and basically it acts on GABA-a as well as probably unknown things.
It is known to cause drowsiness, it can rarely also cause psychosis, it supposedly can be hard on the liver although the full extent of that is not completely known.
I find if I use it very rarely so I dont get 'used' to it (even though it has claims otherwise -- although ceremonial use consistently can lead to kavism, yellow skin problems, etc)
... it actually makes me, well happy, high, yes, probably, but what of it for a moment from depression.
-- Jay
Posted by manic666 on April 9, 2009, at 13:45:14
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it, posted by yxibow on April 5, 2009, at 5:04:31
jay my buddy that sounds cool , where do you buy it
Posted by yxibow on April 11, 2009, at 23:50:08
In reply to Re: hippy meds ,there must be something in it, posted by manic666 on April 9, 2009, at 13:45:14
> jay my buddy that sounds cool , where do you buy it
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PSTD0A
(not an ad, just a suggestion, I think this is allright with the rules, kava is not restricted here)
Among other places, or a place like Whole Foods or the like.
Much better than the twigs and whatnot that is in bulk and makes a messy tea. At least in my opinion.
-- Jay
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