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Posted by okydoky on July 13, 2008, at 23:47:39
Does anyone know if I can mix tramadol with morphine sulphate for my little dog okydoky in PAIN? Vet seems not to want to talk. I plan on calling another vet but I am not sure how far I will get.
His relief would provide a great deal of relief for me.
Thanks all,
oky
Posted by Racer on July 14, 2008, at 0:09:46
In reply to Opiates and 'Man's best friend', posted by okydoky on July 13, 2008, at 23:47:39
You need to speak with a vet about this -- first of all, most medications are dosed largely by weight, so you would need to adjust the dose. Even if you tried to adjust the dose based on what you take, the species difference would have an effect.
The biggest reason, though, is that some -- probably many -- medications humans can take will poison animals. NO ONE here can tell you FOR CERTAIN whether what you're asking is OK. ONLY a vet can do that, and preferably a vet who knows your dog.
If you think about doing it anyway, I hope you'll ask yourself whether you're willing to risk your dog on the advice given by people on an internet forum with no veterinary medical training.
Posted by okydoky on July 14, 2008, at 0:53:39
In reply to NO! » okydoky, posted by Racer on July 14, 2008, at 0:09:46
My dog already takes tramadol prescribed by the vet. Dogs can take morphine and use fentanyl patches. I looked it up and increased the tramadol myself and the vet was not happy. The medicine is fairly new to her so I think she was being very conservative with it. I know dogs can take morphine. At 18 pounds he would take 4-16mg 3 times a day or "more frequent if needed". That would approximate 30-115mg three times a day for me. I am not sure what form of morphine sulphate a dog would be given anyway. I used to give him some of my fentora, about enough to fit on a pin head. I thought it helped him but I was so scared I doubt I ever gave him any amount that would have actually made a difference. My appointment with the dog was supposed to be with her this past week but they made a mistake so I had to ask the techs the questions and she finally came in but did not have time to discuss his pain meds with me but for a minute. She always acts like this , whatever at the time is the last resort and I prepare myself for the worst when his pain increases again and then shell say oh we can give him this or that now. I want to change vets but he has been treated by her for almost 10 years now and she knows him. She referred me to a specialist a few weeks ago for an ultra sound and that vet told me one of his meds is probably causing the other problems he was there for or at the very least making them worse. She got mad when I told her that I wanted to try his old NSAID again because of this. She disagreed with the diagnosis. Well she sent me there and talked the other vet up like mad. Told me how great he was and how he was such a great teacher to her. Ill call there tomorrow but as nice as he was it was at an emergency clinic so he might not talk much more to me.
Sorry I got you so worried. I am worked up about him tonight. He was crying again and this time I did not have any option to increase his medicine as he is already taking the maximum. I was helpless. I think he is in the other room asleep now. I like watching him sleep especially now that I increased his meds, a week or so ago. He stopped shaking all the time and sleeps calmly now. It is peaceful.
Thanks,
Oky
Mom of okydoky
Posted by SLS on July 14, 2008, at 4:58:27
In reply to NO! » okydoky, posted by Racer on July 14, 2008, at 0:09:46
> If you think about doing it anyway, I hope you'll ask yourself whether you're willing to risk your dog on the advice given by people on an internet forum with no veterinary medical training.
...and so few with psychiatric training.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on July 14, 2008, at 10:53:06
In reply to Re: NO!, posted by SLS on July 14, 2008, at 4:58:27
Poor puppy he needs a vet not babble as I agree with above. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on July 14, 2008, at 14:03:37
In reply to Opiates and 'Man's best friend', posted by okydoky on July 13, 2008, at 23:47:39
> Does anyone know if I can mix tramadol with morphine sulphate for my little dog okydoky in PAIN? Vet seems not to want to talk. I plan on calling another vet but I am not sure how far I will get.
>
> His relief would provide a great deal of relief for me.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> oky
>My dog was given tramadol for pain after an operation. The dose is determined by weight. Don't mix the two.
Posted by okydoky on July 14, 2008, at 18:58:57
In reply to Re: Opiates and 'Man's best friend', posted by bulldog2 on July 14, 2008, at 14:03:37
Thanks all. I could not get to my email server all day and was busy with trying to get my doctors office to fax a referral a month late!
The dose is determined by weight but the range seems to be broad. He is 18 pounds and she has him at his highest dose on 12.5mg bid. I put him on 12.5mg tid or just a bit less depending on if I can cut the tablet well. I discontinued his prednisolone too which she was not happy about. The specialist she sent me to concurred with this today. If I can keep him on an NSAID even with increased pain it might give his little immune system a chance to fight what appears on ultrasound to be a very bad deep tissue bladder infection. It is going to be difficult to tell now if he continues to have blood in his urine as it could be cancer. I will cross that bridge next week. I now I sound like dog lady. So stereotype me see if I care:)
I myself am feeling entirely better than in the past few months on Avinza instead of oxycontin for pain. I found the script I had forgotten about and never tried because I was afraid to and decided to try it as my urologist office was supposed to have referred me out to a pain clinic on June 2nd! I am so glad I got my courage up. Perhaps... well I am just feeling possibilities for a change:)
oky
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