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Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 9:15:05
Tardive Dyskinesia
I have been having a rough time dealing with a mouthful of ulcerationsi have approached my pdoc many many times about the state of my mouth but it seems that it gets shrugged off
now working with my md onthis but he can't quite grasp that the "severe trauma"(his language) that triggered my ulcerations is self-induced and the result of my extreme compulsion to work my mouth during some times of the day
At last I have the name for it: tardive dyskinesia
now i need a plan
here is a link for anyone who is interested
http://www.prozactruth.com/tics.htm#chart
Posted by Phillipa on January 12, 2008, at 12:13:33
In reply to Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics), posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 9:15:05
Eleanor are you going to try lecithin and choline? Phillipa.
Posted by yxibow on January 12, 2008, at 14:14:39
In reply to Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics), posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 9:15:05
> Tardive Dyskinesia
> I have been having a rough time dealing with a mouthful of ulcerations
>
> i have approached my pdoc many many times about the state of my mouth but it seems that it gets shrugged off
>
> now working with my md onthis but he can't quite grasp that the "severe trauma"(his language) that triggered my ulcerations is self-induced and the result of my extreme compulsion to work my mouth during some times of the day
>
> At last I have the name for it: tardive dyskinesia
>
> now i need a plan
> here is a link for anyone who is interested
> http://www.prozactruth.com/tics.htm#chart
I'd hate to say it because I'll get slapped for generalizations, but lets just leave it that I will leave "prozactruth" for alternative.
The chance of TD from prozac is extroardinary minimal and the benefits way outweigh the risks. Only Zoloft has a extremely miniscule chance because of dopamine regulation and I emphasize that.Yes -- subconsciously generated ulcerations are real. They're not TD. They're not close to TD. And they're also not factitious. One doesn't intend to do them but stress can induce them. If anything I could surmise you don't have enough covering things.
But you will have to make your own viewpoint. I've taken the neuroleptic atypical route and I can tell you what feels (but still isnt) closer to TD than that.
I hope you feel better.
Posted by Jamal Spelling on January 12, 2008, at 14:29:24
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics) » elanor roosevelt, posted by yxibow on January 12, 2008, at 14:14:39
> I'd hate to say it because I'll get slapped for generalizations, but lets just leave it that I will leave "prozactruth" for alternative.
You make it sound like "alternative" is a bad thing, lol :) There is a lot of pseudoscience and quackery on alternative, but much of it is also legitimate.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 16:11:54
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics) » elanor roosevelt, posted by Phillipa on January 12, 2008, at 12:13:33
> Eleanor are you going to try lecithin and choline? Phillipa.
yes Phillipa, i am going to give it a try
hope you are doing well Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 16:22:21
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics) » elanor roosevelt, posted by yxibow on January 12, 2008, at 14:14:39
>
> The chance of TD from prozac is extroardinary minimal and the benefits way outweigh the risks. Only Zoloft has a extremely miniscule chance because of dopamine regulation and I emphasize that.
>
> Yes -- subconsciously generated ulcerations are real. They're not TD. They're not close to TD. And they're also not factitious. One doesn't intend to do them but stress can induce them.I am happy to hear your opinion.
i know that zoloft and lexapro both aggravate a pre-existing inclination.
i am just looking for some language for this so i can find some help.
it's a chronic problem, it's painful and the pain is beating me up.
what do i call this and how do i find out which meds or psycho-chemical states are most likely to trigger the behavior?
Posted by cumulative on January 12, 2008, at 17:16:20
In reply to Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics), posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 9:15:05
It sounds (based on this post and some of your other comments) much more likely that this is OCD.
How's Trivastal going for you?
Posted by iforgotmypassword on January 12, 2008, at 19:48:11
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics) » elanor roosevelt, posted by yxibow on January 12, 2008, at 14:14:39
they started my diurnal bruxism and akathisia. (which have been permanent for years now.)
they are definitely capable of doing something to the nerves.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 23:13:38
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics), posted by cumulative on January 12, 2008, at 17:16:20
>
> How's Trivastal going for you?I am going to up the trivastal dosage tonight
Thanks for asking
Posted by yxibow on January 13, 2008, at 1:18:15
In reply to SSRIs definitely do something, posted by iforgotmypassword on January 12, 2008, at 19:48:11
> they started my diurnal bruxism and akathisia. (which have been permanent for years now.)
>
> they are definitely capable of doing something to the nerves.
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so what is it called xyibow?
-----------------------Bruxism is what I was going to add. Its quite common and can be generated by anxiety and a side effect of medications. But permanent bruxism due to medication is a fairly rare event. Underlying untreated anxiety that causes bruxism is more likely and a mouth guard would be suggested.
If your teeth aren't exactly aligned I can fully imagine that any amount of chewing could occur.
Yes, I don't regard "prozactruth" as a clinically reliable source because it doesn't subscribe to HON or other medical verification societies but that's my opinion and since we're allowed to have opinions I will leave it there.I don't wish to get into a argument about alternative views because I don't personally subscribe to them and choose to follow evidence based psychiatry for the most part.
Posted by star008 on January 13, 2008, at 7:24:15
In reply to Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics), posted by elanor roosevelt on January 12, 2008, at 9:15:05
I chew lots of gum so I can keep from doing other things. It might help during those times..simple idea.. you might have already tried it..
Posted by Sigismund on January 17, 2008, at 1:55:14
In reply to Re: Med Side Effects: Tardive Dyskinesia (Tics) » elanor roosevelt, posted by star008 on January 13, 2008, at 7:24:15
is quite common, but what you have Elanor is not....the way I remember you describing it anyway.
I would need some persuading that there was not a pharmacological cause.
Didn't you say you had smashed up 4 teeth?
That's a lot different to grinding them down.
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