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Posted by rett on February 9, 2007, at 22:58:36
really dont know what to do. drug history:
15yrs prozac -gd
stopped cold turkey- bad, after 7 months tried to go back on, flipped out more (strted asking really dumb questions, repeating myself, looked dazed and confused, couldnt make decisions, stopped looking after myself etc), tried 2 more times 1 month apart, flipped out more. overdosed on valium, trazodone and lunesta. no one found me, flipped out more. later celexa 3 weeks, stopped, cold turkey. did this a few more times.
please note that when i take celexa my heart rate goes up to 130 just standing. so doc gave something to slow down my heart. which puts me to sleep.
withdrawal vs. starting up etc. im a MESS now. no thoughts no emotions. FEAR. feel like people are diffeent than i am- they have "linear thoughts" i dont. cant make a decision. yes no yes no yes no.
not sure if i am paranoid due to prozac or due to me (second time around)!
the whole world seems somewhat surreal, am i convincing myself i am crazy or is it my brain chem? basically i just lie in bed, eat and smoke. i am in a real bad way.
my doc offered me antipsychotics. i dunno whether to take them or not. i ried them in hospital and i was just a zombie- couldnt see, nothing. but someone said those side effects might go away??
at this point i hate leaving the house, i dont tend to myself at all.MORE DRUGS or what?? i feel like im on drugs already. doc doesnt know i start and stop the celexa so many times- he thinks im on it. i have another condition that resembles flu (candida- which also made me react to things really oddly- eating was like taking a sleeping pill) so i really cant tell ,my physical symptoms of withdrawal since i barely get out of bed anyway.
WHAT DO I DO?? ANTIPSYCHOTICS?? GEEZ i only had an eating disorder when i was put on the prozac years ago!!my doc left the choice to me. he does not believe in prozac withdrawal though it happened to me before- exact timing and everything, though last time i could go on prozac again to stop the slide- this time it didnt work. hes the one that says "your mind cant be blank you are talking". my life has spiralled out of control. beyond anyones imagination. i wouldnt believe it if it werent true.
MORE DRUGS?? antipsychotics? or do i just hope my drug induced haze will pass??
doc says he has 30yrs experience bah blah i am no diff than anyone else. well, he is wrong and i think he's up his own butt. though i cant change docs cuz i have no insurance. its been so long since i have felt normal i truly do not know if i ever will be again. i simply dont function. since i have the candida problem as well and reacted with flu like symptoms to food (which i know, had it for years, made worse by my bingeing). i feel like i am at a total loss, i dont know if the flu like symptoms are drug induced, or food candida induced.help!!!!!!!!!!!
antipsychotics?? try again??
note: i was given them in hospital but they didnt help and i could barely see never mind think straight.
oh yeah, and im also afraid to leave the house. if it werent true what a mess i am it would be funny. i dont even feel human anymore.doc thinks candida wouldnt affect my mind, but it affects how my gut absorbs things drugs etc and te side effects- i mean before i couldnt even have a vitamin without being nauseaus. now my body is in total shock from all the meds!! forget brain.
if i leave my brain alone (no drugs) will it heal?? or has the withdrawals etc sent it into a tail spin?? do i need antipsychotics to balace it? do i try to go on celexa again??? and stay on it??
the doc doesnt believe about candida either. :(
thoughts most welcome though this is beyond anyones wildest dreams- definitely mine. actually in my dreams i am normal. and when i wake up, its hell.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on February 10, 2007, at 4:12:27
In reply to help!! AGAIN, posted by rett on February 9, 2007, at 22:58:36
Hello
I just answered a post of yours below and asked if you could explain your background which you just did ! Oh well.
Anyway, well I think there really is such a thing as prozac withdrawal of course there is, if your brain is used to getting a certain chemical for 15 years, then its going to go into shock when it stops. That said, prozac is one of the better ones in terms of withdrawal effects because it has such a long half life.
I really think you need to just get into a routine with the celexa, ie take it everyday as prescribed for at least 4 weeks to see if its helping you. Then if not, taper off it. Stopping and starting it isn't a good idea.
Then if you feel its not doing anything you could try something else. I would try and stay away from antipsychotics -- they have some nasty side effects (including weight gain) and things.
Do you do therapy? It sounds as if it could help more than any drug could.
I don't know anything about candida, but perhaps you could see a nutritionist? I think they know about these sorts of things.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by Alone on February 10, 2007, at 23:03:09
In reply to help!! AGAIN, posted by rett on February 9, 2007, at 22:58:36
I experienced flu like symptoms when I came off 10 years of Prozac.
I had read "The Yeast Connection" and had also bought into the whole Candida thing before.
My GP gave me Nystatin and Duflucan for months and then tested me for yeast. The swab of my mouth had absolutely not ONE yeast found in it. He did this for me to show me that the candida thing was hysteria.
I had no yeast but still had so many of the symptoms in the book.
I soon realized that there is alot of "junk science" out there. Be careful of what you read especially on the internet and check sources to make sure they have validity.
A good wesite that my GP aproves of is aafp.org.
You can do a search for whatever medical thing you want to read about.
My advice to you is to try not to be your own doctor and get a doctor you trust and put your trust in them.
I know how scary it is when they start throwing meds at you, but this is the reality when you enter the Psychological world of medicine.
Peoples body chemistries are so individual that sometimes pdocs have to try many different meds and or combos of meds until they find the one that works with your body chemistry.
It is a rude awakening when you come to realize that you are probably going to have to be on meds the rest of your life. I struggle with that every day of my life.
Give your doc a chance. If he or she is willing to listen to you and work with you as an allie in the war against your illness you can feel it in your gut, but you have to give up control a little to let them do their job.
If you really feel like they don't know what they are doing or don't care, by all means you should change docs.
The patient-doctor relationship is extremely important because you are intrusting them with your body, and your quality of life.
Best wishes to you.
Posted by rett on February 11, 2007, at 1:01:24
In reply to Re: help!! AGAIN, posted by Alone on February 10, 2007, at 23:03:09
thanks for your message. i was actually diagnosed through a medical doctor about the yeast (through tests). i also had it before, how do i know? because the first time i had it i responded to treatment with the antifungals (and i was on 25 pills of antibiotics per day for 3 WEEKS. (i was on prozac at the time). the second major time it happened i had withdrawn from prozac so it made it an impossible situation. it was digestive problems. same as the first time but made it worse by getting food intolerances (also tested). i couldnt eat anything without reacting to it. taking the prozac again was stupid i guess as it didnt react the same. i would personally not believe me either except i lived thru it, though the whole situation is indeed ridiculous. i guess i was doomed the day i gave up the prozac. yes, i was actually thinking i had more chance of winning the lottery than this happening to me (and i do not even play lol).
thank you for your insight and sharing your story.
Posted by rett on February 11, 2007, at 1:05:17
In reply to alone, posted by rett on February 11, 2007, at 1:01:24
i had also in the past experienced flu like symptoms when trying to give up prozac prior to this and ended up going back on it (before the antibiotic saga). and yes, they are very similar. except the explosive stomavh pains i had with the yeast.
Posted by Sebastian on February 11, 2007, at 15:04:36
In reply to help!! AGAIN, posted by rett on February 9, 2007, at 22:58:36
which AP's did you take? Any ECT?
Posted by rett on February 11, 2007, at 21:05:30
In reply to Re: help!! AGAIN » rett, posted by Sebastian on February 11, 2007, at 15:04:36
no APs yet, well, actually tried abilify (couldnt even see), and when i was "well" i had tried zyprexa and risperidone (just made me feel stoned), ECT, bloody hell, my brain is dead enough as it is, and i have no memory anyway. the ironic thing is i am not even depressed- i am a drug induced or withdrawaling nightmare.
Posted by munificentexegete on February 14, 2007, at 3:35:27
In reply to Re: help!! AGAIN, posted by rett on February 11, 2007, at 21:05:30
if i leave my brain alone (no drugs) will it heal?? as best it can
or has the withdrawals etc sent it into a tail spin?? even recovery has its price
do i need antipsychotics to balace it? no
do i try to go on celexa again??? no
and stay on it?? no
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