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Posted by Squiggles on November 12, 2006, at 18:45:02
Some days ago, I had a glass of *red* wine
and about an hr. later my nightly dose
of 0.50mg clonazepam. I slept on that after
a stressful day, and woke up with a very bad
headache that lasted 3 days and still comes
and goes in waves. (top of head, sometimes
moving to side);I think the cause (besides stress) was the
cheap red wine -- i read that some of these
wines have sulfades[?]. Also my breasts became
tender and hurt.Strange, but i won't drink red wine again
(even if i only drink a glass or less). Has
anyone had these effects with red wine?Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on November 12, 2006, at 23:19:15
In reply to Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam, posted by Squiggles on November 12, 2006, at 18:45:02
I used to get three day headaches when peri-menopausal about that time when due. Always three days and no meds helped. They would just disappear. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on November 13, 2006, at 4:53:02
In reply to Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam, posted by Squiggles on November 12, 2006, at 18:45:02
> Some days ago, I had a glass of *red* wine
> and about an hr. later my nightly dose
> of 0.50mg clonazepam. I slept on that after
> a stressful day, and woke up with a very bad
> headache that lasted 3 days and still comes
> and goes in waves. (top of head, sometimes
> moving to side);
>
> I think the cause (besides stress) was the
> cheap red wine -- i read that some of these
> wines have sulfades[?]. Also my breasts became
> tender and hurt.
>
> Strange, but i won't drink red wine again
> (even if i only drink a glass or less). Has
> anyone had these effects with red wine?
>
> SquigglesI believe its probably the sulfites. And wine doesn't have to have added sulfites -- some grape varietals and the making of wine causes sulfite buildup naturally. You can get sulfite-free wine at places like Whole Foods, but they may have natural sulfites anyhow (sometimes the bottle says so). Some people are very sensititive to sulfur compounds.
Posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 7:46:37
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by yxibow on November 13, 2006, at 4:53:02
> I believe its probably the sulfites. And wine doesn't have to have added sulfites -- some grape varietals and the making of wine causes sulfite buildup naturally. You can get sulfite-free wine at places like Whole Foods, but they may have natural sulfites anyhow (sometimes the bottle says so). Some people are very sensititive to sulfur compounds.
>I think it must be something like that. This happened once before with a strange wine. The timely connection between the headache and the wine is just too close to ignore. The lithium may be particularly interactive with it. It's a killer headache and my *its hurt.
Thanks for your input Phillipa but i have not had a menopausal symptom now for 4 years -- i had a really easy time of it except for hot flushes for a year.
Squiggles
Posted by corafree on November 13, 2006, at 12:55:37
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » yxibow, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 7:46:37
I never have figured out whether to call a headache a migraine or a cluster, but this is interesting about wine.
So sulfites are alike or same as sulfa containing drugs, I take it. Some peeps allergic.
I've always gravitated towards white wines. Maybe this is why. I always know that if there is something I've quit taking or stopped drinking, etc., it was for 'a reason', but usually can't remember the reason.
I am not allergic to sulfa. Wonder does white wine contain sulfites? Guess look @ bottle.
cf
Posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:39:38
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam, posted by corafree on November 13, 2006, at 12:55:37
> So sulfites are alike or same as sulfa containing drugs, I take it. Some peeps allergic.Sulfides are found in wine (used for aromatic,
or preservative purposes), dry fruits, many foods that need preservation apparently. The FDA is trying to put a label on all. I found an interesting article on Wikipedia - take a look at The Straight Dope too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfite
>
> I've always gravitated towards white wines.Me too. But this was a wine for an occasion which was missed, so we drank it - Made in Canada, hmm. I also drank some that a friend introduced as "made in Canada" without the usual processing -- whatever that meant, but it did have a strange, sweet aroma and went down easy, but gave me a head bash and landed me in the ER.
>
> I am not allergic to sulfa. Wonder does white wine contain sulfites? Guess look @ bottle.
I don't think so.I just read that SYNTHROID does (i take that)
-- yikes! but the amount of Sulfites probably varies and the allergic reaction ranges from what i had to death from anaphylactic shock.As for interactions -- i have been too lazy to look at lithium and sulfites - i will later -- still have the remnants of that headache surprisingly. I am not allergic to many things: shrimp -- but i just found out that they spray shrimp and seafood with sulfites so maybe people are actually allergic to the sulfites and not the seafood.
Squiggles
take care
Posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:57:38
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:39:38
Yes, i found many hits with sulfites raising
the lithium level - never mind the coffee --
this is serious. Maybe i should report sulfites
and lithium interaction to Health Canada.When my headache is over :-)
Squiggles
Posted by tallclaire1982 on November 13, 2006, at 16:50:36
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » yxibow, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 7:46:37
i drank a glass of wine and half pint of beer after 5mg of valim i felt fine, still not relaxed though LOL
Posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 17:01:35
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam, posted by tallclaire1982 on November 13, 2006, at 16:50:36
> i drank a glass of wine and half pint of beer after 5mg of valim i felt fine, still not relaxed though LOL
I drink wine and beer (small amounts) all the time claire, and i take K too; it's this stuff from
Chibougamou grapes that got to me -- it's a PQ
plot; they deliver the stuff where they know the
Anglos live; the bottle said St. Sulfite on it, lol. I should have known better.Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2006, at 18:45:33
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » tallclaire1982, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 17:01:35
Am I the only idiot here that did what my pdoc said and quit drinking entirely when on benzos as I was fine when I drank. Love Phillipa
Posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 18:55:25
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2006, at 18:45:33
> Am I the only idiot here that did what my pdoc said and quit drinking entirely when on benzos as I was fine when I drank. Love Phillipa
I am not sure what you mean Phillipa.
I think that one small glass of wine
every two months or a beer once a month
is OK? This time, the wine really was
different, and the same as the other crap
with the sulfites. Though, that avenue
of refreshment is in the bin of the small
pleasures of life -- drugs do that, sigh.
Take me to a Nunnery. I'm ready.Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2006, at 20:26:51
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 18:55:25
Sure feels that way. Love Phillipa
Posted by Squiggles on November 14, 2006, at 10:33:22
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2006, at 20:26:51
OK - my headache is going away but only
after, i personally cut the lithium caps
by about 15%, drank lots of water and OJ, as
well as put some salt in the OJ to decrease
the lithium ions; the headache is familiar to
other incidents in my med history where the
lithium went too high;Soooooo, the reaction to a wine with sulfites
in it, may not be so much an allergy but rather
an indirect effect, i.e. an increase in lithium
levels and the allergy effect too.Squiggles
Posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 14:07:28
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:39:38
Oh dear .. digging 2 deep. In Synthroid, unreal.
I'll still drink a lil' white vino once in a while. Tylenol at h.s.
I prob' consume lots of sulfites ... and my digestive system is all whacked out, lactose intolerant, IBS, let's see ... don't wanna' remember all!
cf
Posted by Squiggles on November 16, 2006, at 14:20:39
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 14:07:28
> Oh dear .. digging 2 deep. In Synthroid, unreal.
>
> I'll still drink a lil' white vino once in a while. Tylenol at h.s.
>
> I prob' consume lots of sulfites ... and my digestive system is all whacked out, lactose intolerant, IBS, let's see ... don't wanna' remember all!
>
> cf??
I don't undertand the message above.
Squiggles
Posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 16:51:03
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:39:38
>
> > So sulfites are alike or same as sulfa containing drugs, I take it. Some peeps allergic.
>
> Sulfides are found in wine (used for aromatic,
> or preservative purposes), dry fruits, many foods that need preservation apparently. The FDA is trying to put a label on all. I found an interesting article on Wikipedia - take a look at The Straight Dope too.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfite
> >
> > I've always gravitated towards white wines.
>
> Me too. But this was a wine for an occasion which was missed, so we drank it - Made in Canada, hmm. I also drank some that a friend introduced as "made in Canada" without the usual processing -- whatever that meant, but it did have a strange, sweet aroma and went down easy, but gave me a head bash and landed me in the ER.
>
> >
> > I am not allergic to sulfa. Wonder does white wine contain sulfites? Guess look @ bottle.
> I don't think so.
>
> I just read that SYNTHROID does (i take that)
> -- yikes! but the amount of Sulfites probably varies and the allergic reaction ranges from what i had to death from anaphylactic shock.
>
> As for interactions -- i have been too lazy to look at lithium and sulfites - i will later -- still have the remnants of that headache surprisingly. I am not allergic to many things: shrimp -- but i just found out that they spray shrimp and seafood with sulfites so maybe people are actually allergic to the sulfites and not the seafood.
>
> Squiggles
>
> take care
>Thought were saying Synthroid had sulfites in it, and were going to check lithium.
I think a lot of peeps are allergic to sulfites and don't realize it.
RU trying to eliminate sulfites as the cause of your HA?
cf
ps:
I'm really sick w/ bronchitis and quite depressed re: some life circumstances & Eff-XR letting me down AGAIN; began feel its ineffectiveness more than a week ago; but thought would get better; Nope. Never should have begun it again, but a life event caused me to feel 'useless' and thought I needed something!
Sorry confused u. Pay no attn 2me.
cf
Posted by Squiggles on November 16, 2006, at 17:00:05
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 16:51:03
....
> Thought were saying Synthroid had sulfites in it, and were going to check lithium.
It's probably a filler - it has never really
bothered me, like these wine incidents-- isolated.
>
> I think a lot of peeps are allergic to sulfites and don't realize it.What are 'peeps'?
>
> RU trying to eliminate sulfites as the cause of your HA?What is 'HA'?
>
> cf
>
> ps:
>
> I'm really sick w/ bronchitis and quite depressed re: some life circumstances & Eff-XR letting me down AGAIN; began feel its ineffectiveness more than a week ago; but thought would get better; Nope. Never should have begun it again, but a life event caused me to feel 'useless' and thought I needed something!Sorry you are taking SSRIs - i have read that
they can be troublesome. I have a friend who
says he will not take any psychiatric drugs that are not older than 40 years, lol.
>
> Sorry confused u. Pay no attn 2me.
>
If Effexor is too stimulating, you might ask
your dr. for a benzo to go with it.Squiggles
> cf
>
Posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 17:42:12
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:57:38
> Yes, i found many hits with sulfites raising
> the lithium level - never mind the coffee --
> this is serious. Maybe i should report sulfites
> and lithium interaction to Health Canada.
>
> When my headache is over :-)
>
> SquigglesBoy, my bod' & head are all messed up. I actually thought there were 'sulfites' IN lithium. ;{
cf
Posted by Squiggles on November 16, 2006, at 17:44:52
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by corafree on November 16, 2006, at 17:42:12
> Boy, my bod' & head are all messed up. I actually thought there were 'sulfites' IN lithium. ;{
>
> cf
>
>No, this was an interaction, presumably; that's
ok -- this is not your case. If you're having
problems with your meds, it's hard to think
clearly. You haven't tried alternative meds
have you? Like St. John's Wort, or something like that?Squiggles
Posted by yxibow on November 17, 2006, at 3:09:30
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 13, 2006, at 13:39:38
>
> > So sulfites are alike or same as sulfa containing drugs, I take it. Some peeps allergic.
>
> Sulfides are found in wine (used for aromatic,
> or preservative purposes), dry fruits, many foods that need preservation apparently. The FDA is trying to put a label on all. I found an interesting article on Wikipedia - take a look at The Straight Dope too.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfite
> >
> > I've always gravitated towards white wines.
>
> Me too. But this was a wine for an occasion which was missed, so we drank it - Made in Canada, hmm. I also drank some that a friend introduced as "made in Canada" without the usual processing -- whatever that meant, but it did have a strange, sweet aroma and went down easy, but gave me a head bash and landed me in the ER.
>
> >
> > I am not allergic to sulfa. Wonder does white wine contain sulfites? Guess look @ bottle.
> I don't think so.
>
> I just read that SYNTHROID does (i take that)
> -- yikes! but the amount of Sulfites probably varies and the allergic reaction ranges from what i had to death from anaphylactic shock.
>It's surprising the number of medications out there that have preservatives in them. I mean, I know they need to be stable, but for example eye and nose care products for people who are sensitive in those areas to begin with often have preservatives so they can have longer shelf lives and they don't have to go through as many procedures to keep them safe. They do sell "preservative-free" saline and other things but they're more expensive.
And then there's the tartrazine (FD&C Yellow #6) allergy -- not totally common, but some people have it, and not only does it appear in candy but it also unnecessarily appears in certain doses of medication to vary the color so people know what size pill it is. Tartrazine is very yellow, agreed, but they could use something else.
Posted by Squiggles on November 17, 2006, at 8:08:20
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine.... allergic components » Squiggles, posted by yxibow on November 17, 2006, at 3:09:30
And just in case any of you take lithium
and get a piercing headache.... i know that
everyone i have spoken to, and stuff i've
read on reputable sources on the net, say
"oh yeah NSAIDs are bad, but aspirin is ok":I found this:
http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/3/281
I do find that Xanax help though - pity my supply
is about 3 years old now.Squiggles
Posted by corafree on November 17, 2006, at 15:11:58
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 16, 2006, at 17:00:05
peeps - people
HA - headachecf
Posted by corafree on November 17, 2006, at 15:18:11
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by Squiggles on November 16, 2006, at 17:44:52
Tks, but tried SJW & just got sleepy.
But, I have a wart, on one of my fingers, and am pretty sad about it :(
I could use 'a good dose of serotonin'!
cf
Posted by yxibow on November 18, 2006, at 3:36:33
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » Squiggles, posted by corafree on November 17, 2006, at 15:18:11
> Tks, but tried SJW & just got sleepy.
>
> But, I have a wart, on one of my fingers, and am pretty sad about it :(
>
> I could use 'a good dose of serotonin'!
>
> cfIf its a real one, salicyclic preparations have been used for ages against them....
Posted by Squiggles on November 18, 2006, at 9:28:05
In reply to Re: Cluster or migraine with wine and clonazepam » corafree, posted by yxibow on November 18, 2006, at 3:36:33
I'm exhausted. But i've finally reached
the plateau. I really thought i had
a brain tumour for a while.I would guess (no knowledge
of psychopharmacology here) that the lithium
had to go UP not down to reach this state.
The clonazepam is important for that too.
Is it possible that the feeling of "brain on
fire, axe/cluster headache" is a result of the manic state of bipolar depression? Or is it the decrease of the drug levels? Has anyone felt this
when there is an interruption in their med
routine?I've been so lucky so far.
Squiggles
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