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Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
I fell jogging last night and broke my arm. It's in a cast so I can't type. The ER gave me vicodin for pain and I'm afraid tp fill it or take it. my pdod gave me a form to fill out on drug use. cocaine,heroine,meth, alchohol, etc. Why I don't abuse meds and never have.pdoc says 35yrs is too long to be on a benzo. I cut down on my own on valium his own prescription and he upped it.What shoud I do? Fill it out all the blanks would be empty. Not even 1 drink in oover 10 years.sorry aboubt the spelling hard to type. Thanks Love Phillipa ps ad's do nothing for anxiety
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 14, 2006, at 19:22:33
In reply to Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
> I fell jogging last night and broke my arm. It's in a cast so I can't type. The ER gave me vicodin for pain and I'm afraid tp fill it or take it. my pdod gave me a form to fill out on drug use. cocaine,heroine,meth, alchohol, etc. Why I don't abuse meds and never have.pdoc says 35yrs is too long to be on a benzo. I cut down on my own on valium his own prescription and he upped it.What shoud I do? Fill it out all the blanks would be empty. Not even 1 drink in oover 10 years.sorry aboubt the spelling hard to type. Thanks Love Phillipa ps ad's do nothing for anxiety
Wow, that is strange. I'd just fill it out if i were you. You have nothing to hide. One more thing dear, MAOI's do help with anxiety. Since being on Parnate my severe at times anxiety is gone! Maybe the patch would do the same for you. So sorry about your arm.Love, Tyler
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 19:35:48
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Phillipa, posted by Crazy Horse on April 14, 2006, at 19:22:33
Tyler two neighbors I asked one said no don't fill it out it's ridiculous. The other one wears a fentanyl patch and takes vicodin daily for arthritis and fill it out and show them you are cooperative and have nothing to hide. My Son ttinks it's funny and said to say how does this apply to me? And tomorrow will fill the vicodin I can't drive with my right arm in the cast. Love Phillipa
Posted by tizza on April 15, 2006, at 0:04:58
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Crazy Horse, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 19:35:48
OMG I hope you're OK. E-mail me if you can and tell me how you are doing. Sorry to hear about the arm hon. Paul
Posted by pseudoname on April 15, 2006, at 11:37:24
In reply to Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
Phillipa, I'm really sorry to hear about your broken arm. You didn't need that!
I hope it heals quickly & you get back out jogging soon.
Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 12:00:58
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Crazy Horse, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 19:35:48
But about fact of them wanting to stop benozos what do I do? Love Phillipa
Posted by pseudoname on April 15, 2006, at 12:42:56
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 12:00:58
> But about fact of them wanting to stop benozos what do I do?
Your pdoc wanted to reduce your benzo even before you got the Vicodin Rx? (Which I hope you filled today, if you need it.)
You could ask him exactly what harm he thinks will come to you now, after all these years, for continuing on such a small dose. Tell him he has to spell it out: what is he worried about? Just saying, “It's too long” is irrational, not scientific.
On the other hand, if you & he ever *do* decide to eliminate the benzo, he needs to give you specific support and have a complete, mutual plan in place, not just cut you off.
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 15, 2006, at 13:07:15
In reply to benzo Rx? » Phillipa, posted by pseudoname on April 15, 2006, at 12:42:56
Dear Jan,
I don't understand this, you've been on a Benzo for thirty five years and now he wants to take you off of it? Why? What the hell's the point? I just don't get this. Hmmm...what to do?
Be honest with him, tell him you've tried reducing it or going off of it before and you were MISERABLE! See how he reacts to this, if he's unsympathetic, i'd start looking around for a dif pdoc.Love, Tyler
Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 13:53:37
In reply to Re: benzo Rx?, posted by Crazy Horse on April 15, 2006, at 13:07:15
I know your're all trying to be helpful and I truly dont understand the philsophy here. But none of the docs use benzos they say they are addictive and so are all the rest. And I think his plan is that they have a detox program and if he puts me in it more money in his pocket. It is for hard core addicts all the questions indictate this meth, cocaine, crack, how many drinks do you have when you wake up I don't drink at all. Heroine oh I learned a new name for it horse. And I cut back myself on the valium his prescription and he upped it himself. I was doing so much better til I started seeing this practice. Called the other big practice and they are taking no new patients til June and they wouldn't even tell me over the phone if they use benzos.And the LSW is trying to break my marriage up saying things like oh you got sice when you married your husband. And stuff like that. Just enough to make me not trust. A friend from the boards lives near me and told me the name of a doc who will prescribe whatever you want. But what would I tell a GP the reason I wanted a visit since I've seen an internist. neurologist, surgical neuologist. Oh by the way if you have neuro surgery here they don't give you pain meds only for a short period of time. then pt. I am so confused. Love Jan ps I had my husband trim the cast so I can type.
Posted by ed_uk on April 15, 2006, at 13:55:34
In reply to Re: benzo Rx?, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2006, at 13:53:37
Oh PJ I'm so sorry about your arm. Is the pain bad?
Lots of love
Ed
PS. Hope it heals quickly :)
Posted by yxibow on April 16, 2006, at 4:35:43
In reply to Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
> I fell jogging last night and broke my arm. It's in a cast so I can't type. The ER gave me vicodin for pain and I'm afraid tp fill it or take it. my pdod gave me a form to fill out on drug use. cocaine,heroine,meth, alchohol, etc.
Well -- I can't tell you what to do but I wouldn't fill out such a form since you said you've never abused medications. Its really to cover his *ss and his DEA license more than anything to do with you.
I cut down on my own on valium his own prescription and he upped it.That's idiosyncratic ??
Thanks Love Phillipa ps ad's do nothing for anxietyFor some they do, but I have found that you either treat the anxiety or the depression, not both -- and I have both. Unless you combine SSRIs with benzodiazepines, for example.
I don't think that 35 years is particularly long to be on a specific benzodiazepine (Valium) that hasn't been out all that much longer than that. And the dose you're taking is miniscule compared to my own, my lord, and the average doses of others that people have taken on here. As I've noted before, and you're nearly one of the cases, there have been people on Librium since it came out without sequelae, and that sounds like you.
Be more affirmative with your doctor about this and point the rationality of this all. Its natural and humane to treat pain when necessary. There's nothing wrong with the Vicodin, its hardly going to cause any respiratory depression with 10mg of Valium.
Cheers and to a good recovery-- Jay
Posted by fairywings on April 16, 2006, at 6:34:01
In reply to Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
Hi Phillipa,
I'd say fill it, you might need it.....it's not an unlimited supply - so the liklihood of getting addicted is slim. Did they give you 30? No refills? I take it for migraines.
If you have the kind w/tylenol in it, the dose of hydrocodone is 5mg, which won't do too much, but don't drive. if they gave you the kind with ibuprophen, the amount of hydrocodone is 7.5mg - which to some people might be a very light buzz. I had a migraine the other day and took 10 mg, too much pain to appreciate any buzz I might otherwise have had.
Who's the form for = pdoc? If so just tell him no illegal drug use. Maybe it's a formality. Mine has a form that asks for my drug use, and family history. I'm like you - don't even drink. He didn't care - form was just std. If I'd had a history I suppose he would have cared, but I don't so he just filed it.
If you've been on benzos 35 years, and they help, and the dose doesn't keep going up, then what's the problem......and why's he telling you? You're not the one writing the Rx's, so it's not of your doing. If he's upped the dose, I'd guess maybe he was just thinking out loud - maybe he's concerned about withdrawl if it ever has to be discontinued. If he's questioning you, maybe tell him same dose and it still helps.
Sorry about your arm - Ouch! - get the vicodin, don't be afraid of it.
fw
Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2006, at 14:08:33
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Phillipa, posted by fairywings on April 16, 2006, at 6:34:01
Fairy Wings I'm not afraid of the vicodin just that they can now track what meds you take and he could use it to say I am drug seeking. And they have their own detox program so more money in his pocket. And he upped the valium since my anxiety is so high. When I went down that's when he upped it. And the social worker gave me the form. And she said oh the pdoc says you've been on benzos too long. I was doing better on the lower dose. And was up all night with pain in the arm from the typing I guess but i have to do something. Oh and I can't drive with one arm. Thanks for caring . I hate not being independant. Love Phillipa ps I even took a percocet but it didn't help. And I am continuing to type. What am I supposed to do with my time?
Posted by tizza on April 17, 2006, at 2:49:49
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » fairywings, posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2006, at 14:08:33
chemists here in Australia have been tracking prescriptions for years. They get logged into a national data base and if you happen to go to different chemists (drug store) like I do because I shift work, they can see your entire prescription history, so basically it's literally impossible to go doctor shopping here. Not that I'm implying that you are but every time I go to a different chemist they always pull me aside and tell me that the think benzo's are really bad and maybe you shouldn't take so many. I actually don't take to many, just what I'm RX'ed and I don't up the dose either. I just have to find the nearest chemist that is going to be open sometimes and that's not always easy due to working sh*tty hours. I'm so sick of getting lectured evertime I go to a chemist that is open and I haven't been there before. But they see that it's always the same pdoc and the same time inbetween scripts but they can help themselves about saying something and I find this really annoying. Paul
Posted by ed_uk on April 17, 2006, at 8:23:32
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » fairywings, posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2006, at 14:08:33
Dear PJ
Your pdoc won't think you were drug seeking. You were prescribed the Vicodin because you broke your arm.
Ed xx
Posted by ed_uk on April 17, 2006, at 8:31:05
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by tizza on April 17, 2006, at 2:49:49
Hi P :)
>chemists
That's what people call pharmacies here too. I noticed Australia seems kind of like England when it comes to medical things!
>can see your entire prescription history, so basically it's literally impossible to go doctor shopping here
It's not like that here. Each pharmacy has their own records apart from certain large chains which share records. Where I work, we can only see what meds patients have got from us, not from anywhere else. Things are changing though. Electronic transmission of prescriptions (ETP) from the doctor to the pharmacy is being phased in. There will be a national database for all NHS prescriptions. Doctors will send the prescription to the database and we will retreive it. We don't do this yet where I work but we will be doing soon.
>every time I go to a different chemist they always pull me aside and tell me that the think benzo's are really bad
They just don't understand - so they judge. They have been taught that benzos are 'bad'. They don't know what severe anxiety is like. Pharmacists can be a pain in the *rse!
Ed x
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2006, at 14:48:38
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on April 17, 2006, at 8:23:32
Ed I had Greg call the pdoc's this morning and tell them how upset I was about the drug thing. The nurse called me back and said take the pain med if your arm is broken and he doesn't have a problem with that. But the valium is another issue. She also said that a therapist doen't have any right to discuss meds with a patient that that is between the doc and the patient. And she understands why my anxiety is so high. And that the LSW hit me out of the blue with that form. My understanding and wanting a therapist was to discuss what was bothering me. She also said to bring that form with me when I see the pdoc on Wednesday. I also told her that after 30 yrs and trying even in the hospital to find an AD to relieve my anxiety that 10 years ago I just accepted i would always need a benzo. But after I am in cast today I probably will not be able to type again. Love PJ O
Posted by Maxime on April 17, 2006, at 18:30:03
In reply to Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 16:33:03
hi phillipa. i fell inline skating today and also
have a cast. i am in so pain. all i got was tylenol with codeine in it. what color is your cast?maxime
> I fell jogging last night and broke my arm. It's in a cast so I can't type. The ER gave me vicodin for pain and I'm afraid tp fill it or take it. my pdod gave me a form to fill out on drug use. cocaine,heroine,meth, alchohol, etc. Why I don't abuse meds and never have.pdoc says 35yrs is too long to be on a benzo. I cut down on my own on valium his own prescription and he upped it.What shoud I do? Fill it out all the blanks would be empty. Not even 1 drink in oover 10 years.sorry aboubt the spelling hard to type. Thanks Love Phillipa ps ad's do nothing for anxiety
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2006, at 20:53:50
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances, posted by Maxime on April 17, 2006, at 18:30:03
Maxie oh no!!!! I'm so sorry. But I saw the Orthopedic guy today and he said I didn't need one. Elbow is a clean break and it should heal on it's own. What color is yours I'll bet it's Green? Love Phillipa
Posted by maxime on April 18, 2006, at 12:24:10
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2006, at 20:53:50
> Maxie oh no!!!! I'm so sorry. But I saw the Orthopedic guy today and he said I didn't need one. Elbow is a clean break and it should heal on it's own. What color is yours I'll bet it's Green? Love Phillipa
this canada ... free health care. no choice for color of cast .... basic white.
how can you have such a large break and not have some sort of support. what if you injure it again?
maxie
Posted by Phillipa on April 18, 2006, at 22:04:41
In reply to Re: Cast On arm not on illigal substances » Phillipa, posted by maxime on April 18, 2006, at 12:24:10
They re x-rayed it at the Ortho pedic guys and it's my elbow and he wants me to begin to use it they just don't believe in losing muscle tone. And all the pain was from what he referred to as pressure sores from the temporary cast. It was so tight on my wrist that when it was taken off it was red, swollen, and I couldn't stand to even touch it the pain was intense. I see him again in two weeks. I knew something was wrong as I've broken bones and never had pain before. Was never even given a pain med when I broke my leg at age 20. It just didn't hurt. And I had already made up my mind that if I needed a cast it would be white as it matches everything. But how are you bathing etc. with no arm motion? Love Phillipa ps my husband took pictures with his cell phone camera of the red and ugly wrist that wasn't even the broken bones in case of any permanent damage we have a record. My malpractice taught me a few things at least.
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