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Posted by EERRIICC on February 1, 2006, at 23:06:48
Let's discuss positive things about opiate use for psychiatric disorders!
I know they are addictive and tolerence builds and so on but these problems will and can be circumvented.
Who has had good experiences with opiates for
depression (Kratom is very interesting too)?What doses?
I personally found no relief from Tramadol, Buprenorphine, Codeine and MSContin. My depression completely evaporates however when I take 10mg of oxycodone. Any idea why this might be?
Posted by fenix on February 2, 2006, at 5:31:00
In reply to Opium, posted by EERRIICC on February 1, 2006, at 23:06:48
Yeah, it would be pretty obvious that opium would help feelings of sadness, it is the "hul gil" after all.
There is just one..or actually two big problems with opium. The first one is, it sedates you... so if you are trying to find a way to lead a normal life again away from depression, you may be too sedated to do it! Secondly, opiates.... they can kind of make depression worse. I know it sounds strange to hear that but, opiates depress the CNS I believe, and after using opiates for a while many people tend to get this feeling of sadness when the opiation wears off, maybe because they come to realize that opium is creating an illusion and now they have to come back into reality.
Oh, and another problem is that it is illegal... I am not sure if a doctor can prescribe you opium but it may be possible.
Kratom is useful. I have tried it before and it is still legal here in the USA. The only problem I had with that is that the Kratoms's effects don't last long enough for my problems. I need benzodiazepines instead for my issues...
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2006, at 12:58:14
In reply to Opium, posted by EERRIICC on February 1, 2006, at 23:06:48
>I personally found no relief from Tramadol, Buprenorphine, Codeine and MSContin. My depression completely evaporates however when I take 10mg of oxycodone. Any idea why this might be?
Have you tried MS Contin at high doses? Morphine's oral bioavailability is often rather low.
Morphine acts as an agonist at mu opioid receptors. Oxycodone is believed to act at mu receptors and kappa receptors. Perhaps oxycodone's activity at kappa receptors is important.
Ed
Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2006, at 20:57:17
In reply to Re: Opium » EERRIICC, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2006, at 12:58:14
Is it vicodin or percocet? I was on percocet after surgery last year and experienced feeling of less depression. Just one at night worked well. If it's that med. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on February 3, 2006, at 13:41:42
In reply to Re: Opium » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2006, at 20:57:17
Hi PJ
Vicodin contains hydrocodone and acetaminophen (paracetamol). Percocet contains oxycodone and acetaminophen.
Ed xx
Posted by Paulbwell on February 4, 2006, at 20:56:15
In reply to Opium, posted by EERRIICC on February 1, 2006, at 23:06:48
> Let's discuss positive things about opiate use for psychiatric disorders!
>
> I know they are addictive and tolerence builds and so on but these problems will and can be circumvented.
>
> Who has had good experiences with opiates for
> depression (Kratom is very interesting too)?
>
> What doses?
>
> I personally found no relief from Tramadol, Buprenorphine, Codeine and MSContin. My depression completely evaporates however when I take 10mg of oxycodone. Any idea why this might be?Hi Ya!
There is a cough syrupt down under called GEES LINCTUS which contains camphorated Opium tincture 33% v/v. I tried this (at higher doses) when stopping Ritalin, and found it allivated the withdrawal, and gave somewhat of a lift causing some feeling of well being, but also constipation. The effect was not great, perhaps the dose was to low, however before the 1950's these compounds were scripted for all sorts of ails so....
Good luck and let us know how it goes?
Cheers
Posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2006, at 16:58:36
In reply to Re: Opium » EERRIICC, posted by Paulbwell on February 4, 2006, at 20:56:15
We have Gee's linctus in England too. You can buy it without a prescription.
Ed
Posted by the kindling effect on February 8, 2006, at 12:34:49
In reply to Opium, posted by EERRIICC on February 1, 2006, at 23:06:48
Hey ERIC.
It's DAve. How are you doing with your treatments re: above etc.Did you ever try the tea?
D.
Posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 2:38:43
In reply to Re: Opium » Paulbwell, posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2006, at 16:58:36
> We have Gee's linctus in England too. You can buy it without a prescription.
>
> EdEd,
What is Camphorated Opium tincture? is it Opium or not? it also contains 20% alcohol content.
Cheers
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2006, at 15:18:48
In reply to Re: Opium » ed_uk, posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 2:38:43
Camphorated opium tincture is an alcohol-containing extract of opium to which camphor had been added.
>is it Opium or not?
Yes, it's an opium extract.
Ed
Posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 16:34:39
In reply to Re: Opium » paulbwell, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2006, at 15:18:48
> Camphorated opium tincture is an alcohol-containing extract of opium to which camphor had been added.
>
> >is it Opium or not?
>
> Yes, it's an opium extract.
>
> EdThanks-i appreciate yr feedback,
So Gees linctus contains 33% V/V Camphorated Opium tincture, and 0.0125? Anhydrous Morphine.
Is this significant?
Cheers dude.
Posted by alisseus on March 10, 2006, at 0:20:13
In reply to Re: Opium » ed_uk, posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 16:34:39
Steer clear of Gees linctus. I have tried this in my drug abuse days and it made me very sick. It's full of nastys to try and make it undrinkable, with fair success. Bad for you...there are better options
alisseus
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