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Posted by cyndelicious on January 8, 2006, at 17:47:55
I’ve taken ambient on and off for years. It’s the only thing that works for me. I've tried every single other thing from yoga to bashing myself over the head with a mallet and ambien allows me to have a normal life, more or less.
But here's a GREAT question: I'm very word-oriented (am a writer) and I've been told that I go into a wonderful waking-dream state that lasts about 3 minutes before I 'disappear' into sleep, in which I'm very much dream-talking--I actually have very clear but 'removed' (can't think of a better word than that) memories of a few of the conversations, so I know they happen. That’s not so surprising, maybe, but I do this unbelieveably strange thing sometimes when I wake up and I’m talking in my sleep—and even though I’m awake enough to register that I’ve just awakened myself by talking out loud, I can’t stop talking. What I’m saying is actually fairly to completely logical, at least in English syntax instead of dream-babble, but I’m absolutely unable to STOP talking until I reach the end of the sentence—which can be pretty complicated, lots of clauses and so on. And while I’m laying there talking away, I really don’t know what is going to come out of my mouth next. It’s like I’m channeling my dream-self!!! Has anyone else had this experience? I enjoy it greatly, and have experimented, just to see if I can force myself to stop talking since I’m awake, already. The answer is nope, not until I finish saying whatever my Id or alter-ego or whoever-she-is is finished!
I guess that really IS psychobabble!
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2006, at 18:59:38
In reply to ambien babble, posted by cyndelicious on January 8, 2006, at 17:47:55
That's interesting. But I would love to follow your thread and see what others think. Thanks, Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by James K on January 8, 2006, at 21:39:49
In reply to ambien babble, posted by cyndelicious on January 8, 2006, at 17:47:55
My wife takes a small dose of ambien for years, and sometimes I don't know she's already taken it and I will engage her in conversation.
After a minute or two, she will begin to respond to things other than what I said, and I will gently direct her to bed.
I take ambien cr and used to take regular ambien, and when I took it in the daytime, a couple of times, hoping to lose a day, I ended up drinking and black-out and some of the bad things in my head came out. I encourage people to go right to sleep just in case.
I do think the look into your subconscious is interesting concept, it was just a bad time for mine.
James K
Posted by tygereyes on January 8, 2006, at 23:47:02
In reply to Re: ambien babble » cyndelicious, posted by James K on January 8, 2006, at 21:39:49
> My wife takes a small dose of ambien for years, and sometimes I don't know she's already taken it and I will engage her in conversation.
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> After a minute or two, she will begin to respond to things other than what I said, and I will gently direct her to bed.
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> I take ambien cr and used to take regular ambien, and when I took it in the daytime, a couple of times, hoping to lose a day, I ended up drinking and black-out and some of the bad things in my head came out. I encourage people to go right to sleep just in case.
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> I do think the look into your subconscious is interesting concept, it was just a bad time for mine.
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> James K
Out of curiosity, do you find Ambien CR to be less addicting than Ambien? I certainly do.
Posted by James K on January 8, 2006, at 23:56:03
In reply to Re: ambien babble, posted by tygereyes on January 8, 2006, at 23:47:02
> Out of curiosity, do you find Ambien CR to be less addicting than Ambien? I certainly do.
>
---Too soon to tell. It's encouraging to hear you don't. I hope someday to be healthy enough to sleep normally, and it is hard to make the transition in the past.Thanks,
james k
Posted by cyndelicious on January 9, 2006, at 9:13:52
In reply to Re: ambien babble, posted by James K on January 8, 2006, at 23:56:03
> you guys crack me up!! I looked at the times for all the postings that arrived--you really DON'T sleep, do you??? hehehehehehe--we should just trade phone numbers and yack in the middle of the night!
I haven't tried CR--I've gone off Ambien a few times for extended periods and actually didn't have any problems, though I did have Trazadone as a back-=up. Traz was much less satisfactory to me, though.
> > Out of curiosity, do you find Ambien CR to be less addicting than Ambien? I certainly do.
> >
> ---Too soon to tell. It's encouraging to hear you don't. I hope someday to be healthy enough to sleep normally, and it is hard to make the transition in the past.
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> Thanks,
> james k
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Posted by gardenergirl on January 9, 2006, at 17:24:27
In reply to ambien babble, posted by cyndelicious on January 8, 2006, at 17:47:55
I don't think I've talked while in that state, but I do have some very unusual thoughts. I can eventually recognize that what I'm thinking about is not real, but until then, it seems as real as anything else does while dreaming. It's an interesting not-quite dreaming state. Is this what "lucid dreaming" is?
I've also had er, an intimate experience with my husband recently after I had been asleep after taking ambien about an hour or so earlier. It took several minutes for me to figure out what was going on. It was a surreal, dream-like state I was in. Nothing I was thinking or feeling or "seeing" was real, although I'm sure the reality was triggering it. (Gosh this is confusing). Not at all unpleasant, but very different from the usual. And what I was initially experiencing would be physically impossible in reality.
The next morning, it felt like it had been a dream, but I could also remember it. Weird.
I can't believe I just wrote this.
gg
Posted by James K on January 9, 2006, at 23:44:21
In reply to Re: ambien babble, posted by gardenergirl on January 9, 2006, at 17:24:27
Don't worry, I've been on both sides of that situation. I think mutual awareness of when the meds. are taken is important.
james k
Posted by gardenergirl on January 10, 2006, at 0:04:49
In reply to Re: ambien babble » gardenergirl, posted by James K on January 9, 2006, at 23:44:21
Yeah.
There ought to be a sign. ;)
gg
Posted by yxibow on January 10, 2006, at 2:17:45
In reply to ambien babble, posted by cyndelicious on January 8, 2006, at 17:47:55
> I’ve taken ambient on and off for years. It’s the only thing that works for me.
Fantastic
I've tried every single other thing from yoga to bashing myself over the head with a mallet
They say when you stop it feels better.... j/k
and ambien allows me to have a normal life, more or less.
I take 15mg/nite.
That’s not so surprising, maybe, but I do this unbelieveably strange thing sometimes when I wake up and I’m talking in my sleep—and even though I’m awake enough to register that I’ve just awakened myself by talking out loud, I can’t stop talking. What I’m saying is actually fairly to completely logical, at least in English syntax instead of dream-babble, but I’m absolutely unable to STOP talking until I reach the end of the sentence—which can be pretty complicated, lots of clauses and so on. And while I’m laying there talking away, I really don’t know what is going to come out of my mouth next. It’s like I’m channeling my dream-self!!! Has anyone else had this experience?
I might not have had the exact experience, and it may not be just the Ambien I take, but yes -- on numerous occasions I have found myself trying to tell a thing/person something like I'm trying to set a dream straight and end it on my side. I know I'm awake or nearly so. I don't know if I'm actually uttering anything, I've never tape recorded it :) But it is a curious phenomenon. Harmless but interesting.
cheers
Posted by cyndelicious on January 10, 2006, at 12:57:02
In reply to Re: ambien babble, posted by gardenergirl on January 9, 2006, at 17:24:27
Whoo-WOOO! Wonder if I can get my husband to test out your li'l experiement!! I know what you mean, though, it's like it makes perfect sense in the weay a dream does, until somehow it gets pointed out that what you're seeing/experiencing isn't 'real'. But on the other hand, who's to say what real is?
Lucid dreaming is something pretty different. It's a state in which you are fast asleep and dreaming, and in the dream you are fully aware that you are fast asleep and dreaming, and therefore you are aware you can control your dream!!! Many years ago I kept a dream journal for a time because I was going through a period of incredibly rich dreams (pre-ambien and when I could actually sleep like a normal person). Because I was so focused on the dreams I started having lucid ones, in which I would dream that I was asleep and dreaming and the dream-setting would actually be the room I was in (I experimented with sleeping in different rooms) and I'd be dream-wearing what I actually was wearing. I'd only be 'lucid' or aware of being in the dream state briefly because it was really pretty overwhelming. I LOVE flying dreams and would say "oh, good, I'm having another lucid dream. That means I can fly if I want to" and then I'd start to fly--but sometimes my dream played funny jokes on me, like one time instead of me flying the room filled up with flies and another time I'd start to lift off but could control it and was swooping widely around. Haven't had one of those dreams in a very long time!
> I don't think I've talked while in that state, but I do have some very unusual thoughts. I can eventually recognize that what I'm thinking about is not real, but until then, it seems as real as anything else does while dreaming. It's an interesting not-quite dreaming state. Is this what "lucid dreaming" is?
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> I've also had er, an intimate experience with my husband recently after I had been asleep after taking ambien about an hour or so earlier. It took several minutes for me to figure out what was going on. It was a surreal, dream-like state I was in. Nothing I was thinking or feeling or "seeing" was real, although I'm sure the reality was triggering it. (Gosh this is confusing). Not at all unpleasant, but very different from the usual. And what I was initially experiencing would be physically impossible in reality.
>
> The next morning, it felt like it had been a dream, but I could also remember it. Weird.
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> I can't believe I just wrote this.
>
> gg
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