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Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 2:45:05
Hi,
this is my 4th day on Nardil. I feel positive calmness, no serious adverse effects and what is very important, I did not experienced any withdrawal effects from Parnate,
/ixus
Posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 7:44:35
In reply to Nardil update, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 2:45:05
> Hi,
> this is my 4th day on Nardil. I feel positive calmness, no serious adverse effects and what is very important, I did not experienced any withdrawal effects from Parnate,
> /ixus((( Ixus ))) This is great, really! It's so uplifting to read posts like this. I didn't think you would feel any withdrawal from the Parnate. I went cold turkey from 80 mg and felt nothing. Weird meds. :-)
I wish you continued success with this med. BTW, why did you switch from Parnate?
Maxime
Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 11:33:59
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 7:44:35
> ((( Ixus ))) This is great, really! It's so uplifting to read posts like this. I didn't think you would feel any withdrawal from the Parnate. I went cold turkey from 80 mg and felt nothing. Weird meds. :-)
>
> I wish you continued success with this med.
> MaximeHi Maxime!
It's to early to say it is a success, just no serious side effects after transition.> BTW, why did you switch from Parnate?
1. I could not manage anxiety while on it
2. I was very tired in the evenings
3. I had mood swings
4. I could not go above 20-30 mg because of anxietyThanks a lot for your support
/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 13:17:31
In reply to Re: Nardil update » Maxime, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 11:33:59
Hi Ixus!
>I was very tired in the evenings....
Is Nardil making you drowsy, or tired in the evening?
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 13:30:32
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 13:17:31
> Hi Ixus!
>
> >I was very tired in the evenings....
>
> Is Nardil making you drowsy, or tired in the evening?
>
> Kind regards,
> Ed.
Hi Ed,
It makes me drowsy in the evenings. I am not drowsy during the day. I can drink caffeine without any problems now. I don't feel tired at all.
/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 15:34:31
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ed_uk, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 13:30:32
Hi Ixus!
I glad it's going well :-) Do you think you'll stay at 45mg???
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by Declan on May 19, 2005, at 16:04:36
In reply to Re: Nardil update » Maxime, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 11:33:59
Hi Ixus
I'd be interested to know if/when your sleep becomes adversely affected.
Declan
Posted by 4WD on May 19, 2005, at 16:14:43
In reply to Nardil update, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 2:45:05
> Hi,
> this is my 4th day on Nardil. I feel positive calmness, no serious adverse effects and what is very important, I did not experienced any withdrawal effects from Parnate,
> /ixus
I'd really like to know also whether you've experienced any increase in hunger or desire to overeat?Marsha
Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 16:16:37
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 15:34:31
> Hi Ixus!
>
> I glad it's going well :-) Do you think you'll stay at 45mg???
>
> Kind regards,
> Ed.Hi Ed,
I don't know. I need to wait a few days to see what will happen/let my body to adjust to a new med. My urine smells of phenelzine metabolits
:-). Certainly it's not a vitamine. Also side effects can show up within a moment.
If everythings goes fine and I don't see the full response I will certainly increase the dose. Btw how to take more than 45? Should I split 60 into two doses or four?
/ixus
Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 16:35:39
In reply to Re: Nardil update, posted by Declan on May 19, 2005, at 16:04:36
> Hi Ixus
> I'd be interested to know if/when your sleep becomes adversely affected.
> DeclanHi Decan,
I sleep like a baby and wake up after 7-8 hours. My hypersomnia has finished when I started using Parnate. Until then I slept for 11-12 hours and was not refreshed. I have never suffered from insomnia except 4 days on MD episode (100 hours without sleep).
/ixus
Posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 16:40:21
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by 4WD on May 19, 2005, at 16:14:43
> I'd really like to know also whether you've experienced any increase in hunger or desire to overeat?
>
> Marsha
>
Hi Marsha,
yes, my appetite has increased. I eat more. But I also smoke, so I don't have problems with limiting my food intake :-)
/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 17:36:28
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ed_uk, posted by ixus on May 19, 2005, at 16:16:37
Hi Ixus!
>My urine smells of phenelzine metabolits
:-)That's funny! What do phenelzine metabolites smell like???
>Should I split 60 into two doses or four?
I think the manufacturer recommends 15mg four times a day. I've know people to take 30mg twice daily though.
Kind regards,
Ed.PS. Do you smoke less since you've been on an MAOI?
Posted by ixus on May 20, 2005, at 1:28:01
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 17:36:28
Hi Ed,
>
> That's funny! What do phenelzine metabolites smell like???Differently. Sharp chemical smell. I cannot compare this to antything else.
>
> >Should I split 60 into two doses or four?
>
> I think the manufacturer recommends 15mg four times a day. I've know people to take 30mg twice >daily though.Thanks
> PS. Do you smoke less since you've been on an MAOI?In General I don't smoke to much. When I am depressed I smoke less becasue this makes my anxiety worse. If you want to find a relation between dopamine, this won't answer your question.
Btw wellbutrin made my anxiety worse also (out of topic, may be helpful)
/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on May 20, 2005, at 5:17:37
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ed_uk, posted by ixus on May 20, 2005, at 1:28:01
Hi Ixus!
>smoke....
Some people say that they smoke less on selegiline. I wondered if the traditional MAOIs had a similar effect.
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by ixus on May 20, 2005, at 16:33:51
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by ed_uk on May 20, 2005, at 5:17:37
> Hi Ixus!
>
> >smoke....
>
> Some people say that they smoke less on selegiline. I wondered if the traditional MAOIs had a similar effect.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ed.I smoked less on Parnate and selegiline. Anxiety, dopamine? I don't know.
Nicotine is anxiogenic as well. But now I can drink coffee and smoke without any limits.
Posted by 4WD on May 20, 2005, at 17:10:04
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ed_uk, posted by ixus on May 20, 2005, at 16:33:51
> > Hi Ixus!
> >
> > >smoke....
> >
> > Some people say that they smoke less on selegiline. I wondered if the traditional MAOIs had a similar effect.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ed.
>
> I smoked less on Parnate and selegiline. Anxiety, dopamine? I don't know.
> Nicotine is anxiogenic as well. But now I can drink coffee and smoke without any limits.If nicotine is anxiogenic, why do I smoke twice as much when I'm scared/anxious? I was thinking it was an attempt to calm myself down.
Marsha
Posted by ixus on May 21, 2005, at 1:44:04
In reply to Re: Nardil update » ixus, posted by 4WD on May 20, 2005, at 17:10:04
> If nicotine is anxiogenic, why do I smoke twice as much when I'm scared/anxious? I was thinking it was an attempt to calm myself down.
>
> MarshaHi Marsha
the reason might be quite simple. In my case anxiety and depression is higly correlated (I believe anxiety comes with depression). When I am depressed smoking is not a pleasure.
Smoking may be helpful in panic attacks, not in constant anxiety I think.
/ixus
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