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Posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:14:02
Well everyone who has read my previous posts, you know my craziness.
Ok, i have taken Klonopin 1mg 3X daily, sometimes i did, and didnt. Because it wasnt working, and just let my body adjust to its own anxiety.
After that i thought Ativan was going to be a rescue, but somehow it is not. I take the same dose, 1MG 3X daily, lorazepam makes me apathetic, than klonopin, but still i have rapid thoughts that confuse me about everything.
Well, my next appointment i am going tell him its not working, i dont know what really he's going to do know. I think i have overgrown adrenal glands. When i was going delusional a couple months back, i didnt know what sanity or stableness was, my perception changed, i thought did i do something, passed out and banged my head a bit? do i have a tumor, am i having siezures, i went to a nuerologist and just went balistic, he sent me for an EEG, the oldest test on the brain! and had blood work.... yea i was relieved/ not. . I thought i had do have all brain scans, MRI, CAT, PET, and SPECT. to see what was wrong. I was so deeply convinced to myself that htere was something wrong.
I used to abuse meds, and ask about them alot. At this point that stage has gone, i have had it with experimenting. I just want to be normal without anything.
Im going to get a lobotamy.
Panic
Matt M.
Posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:16:14
In reply to why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:14:02
i stopped smoking, they made me panic beyond reality.
I need someting called reality check.
Sorry
Posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2005, at 22:15:58
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:16:14
No Matt, you don't need a lobotomy. And your adrenal glands are find I'm sure. You reminded my husband of me. I always thought the same things. I'm really glad you gave up the illegal drugs and smoking. It sounds like you're really anxious. When do you see your pdoc again? Can you call and tell him/her how bad and panicky you feel? I care about you. You are making strides. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by anneL on April 30, 2005, at 0:26:26
In reply to why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:14:02
If I remember correctly you are going to graduate High School in a month or two, yes? Then off to University. Being 17 or 18 can really suck. It's a really anxious time and it probably feels like your parents are from another planet. Maybe you feel like you are from another planet. Matt, how long has it been since you stopped abusing prescription or street drugs? Have you quit completely? Are you drinking any drinks with caffiene in them? Are you drinking alcohol? Give us the whole picture so we can help. Please call your pdoc and tell him that you need a stronger anti-anxiety medication or to increase your current dosage. Have you tried Zyprexa?
Posted by Racer on April 30, 2005, at 10:44:41
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds? » Rjlockhart98, posted by anneL on April 30, 2005, at 0:26:26
Matt, the meds you've mentioned are all working on your psychological anxiety symtoms, which may be the problem. Some of us -- meaning I'm one of them -- don't have a big problem with psychic anxiety, but suffer mightily with somatic anxiety -- the physical side of it all, with all the tight muscles, racing heart, etc. When it hits me, I usually react to it, but I'm learning to stop and think about it and try to work out what set me off. It's not always possible, but it does help to think about why I might be reacting this way.
Anyway, the point of all this being that if you react physically before getting any psychic symptoms, you might find something like a beta blocker to be useful. These meds stop the physical symptoms, but you're on your own with the psychic symptoms. That might help you.
At any rate, I hope things go well with your doctor. You might ask about the beta blockers or calcium channel blockers.
Good luck.
Posted by ixus on April 30, 2005, at 10:52:51
In reply to why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:14:02
> Well everyone who has read my previous posts, you know my craziness.
>
> Ok, i have taken Klonopin 1mg 3X daily, sometimes i did, and didnt. Because it wasnt working, and just let my body adjust to its own anxiety.
>
> After that i thought Ativan was going to be a rescue, but somehow it is not. I take the same dose, 1MG 3X daily, lorazepam makes me apathetic, than klonopin, but still i have rapid thoughts that confuse me about everything.
>
> Well, my next appointment i am going tell him its not working, i dont know what really he's going to do know. I think i have overgrown adrenal glands. When i was going delusional a couple months back, i didnt know what sanity or stableness was, my perception changed, i thought did i do something, passed out and banged my head a bit? do i have a tumor, am i having siezures, i went to a nuerologist and just went balistic, he sent me for an EEG, the oldest test on the brain! and had blood work.... yea i was relieved/ not. . I thought i had do have all brain scans, MRI, CAT, PET, and SPECT. to see what was wrong. I was so deeply convinced to myself that htere was something wrong.
>
> I used to abuse meds, and ask about them alot. At this point that stage has gone, i have had it with experimenting. I just want to be normal without anything.
>
> Im going to get a lobotamy.
>
> Panic
>
> Matt M.Hi Matt,
read on the internet about desensitization of 5-HT2a, 5-HT2c. Downregulation of these receptors provide antipsychotics, some antidepressants like mirtazapine, Nardil (although it's not stated in the leaflet) among others.
/ixus
Posted by cache-monkey on May 1, 2005, at 2:16:33
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds? » Rjlockhart98, posted by ixus on April 30, 2005, at 10:52:51
<< read on the internet about desensitization of 5-HT2a, 5-HT2c. Downregulation of these receptors provide antipsychotics, some antidepressants like mirtazapine, Nardil (although it's not stated in the leaflet) among others >>
ixus, I've also read that 5-HT2a and 5-HT2c antagonists are good for anxiety. Do you happen to know whether they work more on the psychic or somatic aspects of anxiety? Any info is greatly appreciated.
Best,
cache-monkey
Posted by ixus on May 1, 2005, at 4:24:34
In reply to 5-HT2a/c and anxiety (psychic or somatic?) » ixus, posted by cache-monkey on May 1, 2005, at 2:16:33
> ixus, I've also read that 5-HT2a and 5-HT2c antagonists are good for anxiety. Do you happen to know whether they work more on the psychic or somatic aspects of anxiety? Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
> Best,
> cache-monkeyHi cache-monkey,
I started risperidone (.25mg bid) 2 weeks ago. It relieves OCD, racing thoughts (psychic) and muscles tension (somatic). I assume they work for both aspects, at least for me. ;-)
/ixus
Posted by banga on May 1, 2005, at 7:11:17
In reply to 5-HT2a/c and anxiety (psychic or somatic?) » ixus, posted by cache-monkey on May 1, 2005, at 2:16:33
I am most helped by medications that are 5HT2a antagonists. This included clomipramine--and later risperidone, Geodon. I think they work more on the psychic aspestes mostly, but I think these three also helped with physical symptoms a tad.
Now I take Abilify. The latter has helped me immensely, though I could imagine that someone with heavy physical anxiety symptoms would find it not as helpful--it is quite a stimulating drug.
Benzos do not help me--in fact I had an adverse reaction, I plunged into a deep depression and could not stop crying..
Posted by pro_social_soon on May 2, 2005, at 5:24:57
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds? » Rjlockhart98, posted by ixus on April 30, 2005, at 10:52:51
> Hi Matt,
> read on the internet about desensitization of 5-HT2a, 5-HT2c. Downregulation of these receptors provide antipsychotics, some antidepressants like mirtazapine, Nardil (although it's not stated in the leaflet) among others.
> /ixus
Prozac is a 5-HT2c antagonist which reduces social interaction. Just my 2 cents..
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 9:45:40
In reply to why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Rjlockhart98 on April 29, 2005, at 21:14:02
Have you ever tried Nardil (phenelzine) with Klonopin? If not, you owe it to yourself to do so.
Posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 12:28:47
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds? » Rjlockhart98, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 9:45:40
> Have you ever tried Nardil (phenelzine) with Klonopin? If not, you owe it to yourself to do so.
I don't think Nardil is something a 17 year old should be taking.
It's also possible that if your typical "safe" benzos aren't working, that you could be looking to be prescribed something stronger.
Maxime
Posted by rjlockhart98 on May 3, 2005, at 19:19:32
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 12:28:47
Im 18, turned on 4/20. But im still a kid.
Thanks for posting.
I dont know what im going to do if you read my most recent post.
Im sick of sedatives.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 5, 2005, at 20:13:18
In reply to Re: why am i resisant to anxiety meds?, posted by Maxime on May 2, 2005, at 12:28:47
Why shouldn't an 18-year-old take Nardil? 18-year-olds can go to war, carry guns, and vote. Surely they can carry nifedipine and follow a diet. Hell, I wish someone gave me an MAOI when I was 14; I'd probably be in some accelerated graduate school program by now or working at a fulfilling career.
Sure, they shouldn't be first line, but on the other hand, everyone should take something that actually works for them. :)
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