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Posted by utopizen on March 14, 2004, at 20:12:04
I've been on a stim ever since I saw my first psychiatrist at 18, receiving the dx for Social Anxiety Disorder (which drove me to see a p-doc) and ADHD (which the p-doc determined, and quickly explained why, despite my best intentions throughout childhood, I was labeled "lazy").
I started on Ritalin, but after a few months, grew tired of the feeling I would get (I would feel dull and boring (maybe mild dysphoria is a better term?), yet interested in my schoolwork nontheless, and was more anxious).
I went to Adderall, finding this made me feel less bored and dull in my head while still giving me concentration and focus.
Unlike Ritalin, I didn't feel compulsive about saying some boring fact or idea that was relevant to the discussion in class yet made me look so dorky by saying it I felt more anxious.
Yet while it's nothing like Ritalin, the amphetamines (I've tried Adderall, Dexedrine and Desoxyn) continue to make me act anxious and incredibly dorky when I talk to my roommates even. It's one thing to enter dork mode while writing a paper or speaking with a professor-- this is helpful- it's another to appear so dorky around your roommates they're literally hiding their girlfriends from meeting them or crossing paths with you by only bringing them over while you're away at work (and one's in a separate room).
My roommate won't go to parties with me because he's afraid I'll be too akward or dorky, either sober or drunk.
I do act rather happy drunk/manic if I drink a sip of alcohol, but I've slowly learned to restrict it from myself by pouring a drink and then later pretending to leave it sitting on a counter away from me (or, if there's Solo cups, filling it with water and claiming I'm hydrating myself in-between drinks). Taking 1mg of Klonopin orally or under my tongue lets me talk to girls in such a calm and cool way my friends are intimidated and go into disbelief.
Yes, I am a dork. I saw "Almost Famous", and there's a part near the end with the mentor to the main character. He tells the 15 year old that like him, he is sitting home alone at night because he is a dork. He tells him he needs to accept himself as a smart writer/dork, and not try to believe he can change into someone cooler.
I've accepted I'm not cool. I'm in college now, and I accept that I'm not "well-rounded" or cool. I'm a dorky eccentric that often bores myself at times. My old p-doc, after hearing me complain of Ritalin causing me to bore others, said, "you mean like me?"
Okay, so I'm not going to expect to be cool anytime soon.
But I was wondering, maybe if Straterra (and possibly provigil combined) works on my ADD and gives me energy and lets me avoid the amphetamines, will I still be stuck in dork mode from the Straterra or no?
I've heard Straterra calms people down, which is far from how the amphetamines cause me to be overly talkative and say dorky things.
For those who are smart eccentrics, have social anxiety disorder, AD/HD, and take a stimulant, my hat goes off to you.
I've taken every immediate release med out there, and each one has yet to throw a 4.0 GPA at me or make me acceptable to even my current roommates. If Straterra+Provigil (my doc wants me to combine the two) works, I'd like that a lot. I can be a dork, but not a dork on speed-- it's not tolerable anymore.
Posted by Sad Panda on March 15, 2004, at 7:13:16
In reply to Unlisted side effect of amphetamines: dorkiness, posted by utopizen on March 14, 2004, at 20:12:04
> I've been on a stim ever since I saw my first psychiatrist at 18, receiving the dx for Social Anxiety Disorder (which drove me to see a p-doc) and ADHD (which the p-doc determined, and quickly explained why, despite my best intentions throughout childhood, I was labeled "lazy").
>
> I started on Ritalin, but after a few months, grew tired of the feeling I would get (I would feel dull and boring (maybe mild dysphoria is a better term?), yet interested in my schoolwork nontheless, and was more anxious).
>
> I went to Adderall, finding this made me feel less bored and dull in my head while still giving me concentration and focus.
>
> Unlike Ritalin, I didn't feel compulsive about saying some boring fact or idea that was relevant to the discussion in class yet made me look so dorky by saying it I felt more anxious.
>
> Yet while it's nothing like Ritalin, the amphetamines (I've tried Adderall, Dexedrine and Desoxyn) continue to make me act anxious and incredibly dorky when I talk to my roommates even. It's one thing to enter dork mode while writing a paper or speaking with a professor-- this is helpful- it's another to appear so dorky around your roommates they're literally hiding their girlfriends from meeting them or crossing paths with you by only bringing them over while you're away at work (and one's in a separate room).
>
> My roommate won't go to parties with me because he's afraid I'll be too akward or dorky, either sober or drunk.
>
> I do act rather happy drunk/manic if I drink a sip of alcohol, but I've slowly learned to restrict it from myself by pouring a drink and then later pretending to leave it sitting on a counter away from me (or, if there's Solo cups, filling it with water and claiming I'm hydrating myself in-between drinks). Taking 1mg of Klonopin orally or under my tongue lets me talk to girls in such a calm and cool way my friends are intimidated and go into disbelief.
>
> Yes, I am a dork. I saw "Almost Famous", and there's a part near the end with the mentor to the main character. He tells the 15 year old that like him, he is sitting home alone at night because he is a dork. He tells him he needs to accept himself as a smart writer/dork, and not try to believe he can change into someone cooler.
>
> I've accepted I'm not cool. I'm in college now, and I accept that I'm not "well-rounded" or cool. I'm a dorky eccentric that often bores myself at times. My old p-doc, after hearing me complain of Ritalin causing me to bore others, said, "you mean like me?"
>
> Okay, so I'm not going to expect to be cool anytime soon.
>
> But I was wondering, maybe if Straterra (and possibly provigil combined) works on my ADD and gives me energy and lets me avoid the amphetamines, will I still be stuck in dork mode from the Straterra or no?
>
> I've heard Straterra calms people down, which is far from how the amphetamines cause me to be overly talkative and say dorky things.
>
> For those who are smart eccentrics, have social anxiety disorder, AD/HD, and take a stimulant, my hat goes off to you.
>
> I've taken every immediate release med out there, and each one has yet to throw a 4.0 GPA at me or make me acceptable to even my current roommates. If Straterra+Provigil (my doc wants me to combine the two) works, I'd like that a lot. I can be a dork, but not a dork on speed-- it's not tolerable anymore.
>
>Why can't you just be you instead of letting peer group pressure try & determine what you should be like. I don't drink anymore, I just tell people I don't drink. :)
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by sl on March 15, 2004, at 18:41:53
In reply to Re: Unlisted side effect of amphetamines: dorkiness » utopizen, posted by Sad Panda on March 15, 2004, at 7:13:16
Um while I wouldn't put it quite that way, I agree somewhat with the idea of the previous poster.
Maybe you're just an unusual person who hasn't accepted that yet? Not everyone is meant to drink, not everyone has fun at parties, not everyone gets along with their roommates (I sure never did) and DEFINITELY not everyone can/will achieve a 4.0, even under the best of circumstances.
Try meeting a different kind of crowd, join a club or something, meet a different sort of people. There may very well be a less judgemental sort of people that you'll get along with better.
Personally I joined a club that meets to watch Japanese Anime, which is perfect cuz I sit down in a big room and if I don't feel like making friends or talking to anyone, I don't.Now for the cliches: You're you, don't try to be someone you're not! Accept who you are!
...once you've accepted your own strengths and limitations, you can pick friends who will suit you better.
Posted by djmmm on March 15, 2004, at 19:00:26
In reply to Unlisted side effect of amphetamines: dorkiness, posted by utopizen on March 14, 2004, at 20:12:04
> I've been on a stim ever since I saw my first psychiatrist at 18, receiving the dx for Social Anxiety Disorder (which drove me to see a p-doc) and ADHD (which the p-doc determined, and quickly explained why, despite my best intentions throughout childhood, I was labeled "lazy").
>
> I started on Ritalin, but after a few months, grew tired of the feeling I would get (I would feel dull and boring (maybe mild dysphoria is a better term?), yet interested in my schoolwork nontheless, and was more anxious).
>
> I went to Adderall, finding this made me feel less bored and dull in my head while still giving me concentration and focus.
>
> Unlike Ritalin, I didn't feel compulsive about saying some boring fact or idea that was relevant to the discussion in class yet made me look so dorky by saying it I felt more anxious.
>
> Yet while it's nothing like Ritalin, the amphetamines (I've tried Adderall, Dexedrine and Desoxyn) continue to make me act anxious and incredibly dorky when I talk to my roommates even. It's one thing to enter dork mode while writing a paper or speaking with a professor-- this is helpful- it's another to appear so dorky around your roommates they're literally hiding their girlfriends from meeting them or crossing paths with you by only bringing them over while you're away at work (and one's in a separate room).
>
> My roommate won't go to parties with me because he's afraid I'll be too akward or dorky, either sober or drunk.
>
> I do act rather happy drunk/manic if I drink a sip of alcohol, but I've slowly learned to restrict it from myself by pouring a drink and then later pretending to leave it sitting on a counter away from me (or, if there's Solo cups, filling it with water and claiming I'm hydrating myself in-between drinks). Taking 1mg of Klonopin orally or under my tongue lets me talk to girls in such a calm and cool way my friends are intimidated and go into disbelief.
>
> Yes, I am a dork. I saw "Almost Famous", and there's a part near the end with the mentor to the main character. He tells the 15 year old that like him, he is sitting home alone at night because he is a dork. He tells him he needs to accept himself as a smart writer/dork, and not try to believe he can change into someone cooler.
>
> I've accepted I'm not cool. I'm in college now, and I accept that I'm not "well-rounded" or cool. I'm a dorky eccentric that often bores myself at times. My old p-doc, after hearing me complain of Ritalin causing me to bore others, said, "you mean like me?"
>
> Okay, so I'm not going to expect to be cool anytime soon.
>
> But I was wondering, maybe if Straterra (and possibly provigil combined) works on my ADD and gives me energy and lets me avoid the amphetamines, will I still be stuck in dork mode from the Straterra or no?
>
> I've heard Straterra calms people down, which is far from how the amphetamines cause me to be overly talkative and say dorky things.
>
> For those who are smart eccentrics, have social anxiety disorder, AD/HD, and take a stimulant, my hat goes off to you.
>
> I've taken every immediate release med out there, and each one has yet to throw a 4.0 GPA at me or make me acceptable to even my current roommates. If Straterra+Provigil (my doc wants me to combine the two) works, I'd like that a lot. I can be a dork, but not a dork on speed-- it's not tolerable anymore.I think that your feeling of "dorkiness" while speaking (and thus leading to anxiety) is simply a symptom of untreated (using the wrong medication) social anxiety disorder...you say that you take stimulants for both ADD and Social phobia....MOST of the time, stimulants worsen the symptoms of social phobia...
you also say the taking some Klonopin helps...I would suggest trying something like strattera, along with a slightly higher dose of klonopin, or perhaps the MAOI Parnate, which is stimulating, yet seems to help most people with social anxiety.
Posted by cybercafe on March 18, 2004, at 18:03:18
In reply to Unlisted side effect of amphetamines: dorkiness, posted by utopizen on March 14, 2004, at 20:12:04
> I've been on a stim ever since I saw my first psychiatrist at 18, receiving the dx for Social Anxiety Disorder (which drove me to see a p-doc) and ADHD (which the p-doc determined, and quickly explained why, despite my best intentions throughout childhood, I was labeled "lazy").
>
> I started on Ritalin, but after a few months, grew tired of the feeling I would get (I would feel dull and boring (maybe mild dysphoria is a better term?), yet interested in my schoolwork nontheless, and was more anxious).
>
> I went to Adderall, finding this made me feel less bored and dull in my head while still giving me concentration and focus.
>
> Unlike Ritalin, I didn't feel compulsive about saying some boring fact or idea that was relevant to the discussion in class yet made me look so dorky by saying it I felt more anxious.
>
> Yet while it's nothing like Ritalin, the amphetamines (I've tried Adderall, Dexedrine and Desoxyn) continue to make me act anxious and incredibly dorky when I talk to my roommates even. It's one thing to enter dork mode while writing a paper or speaking with a professor-- this is helpful- it's another to appear so dorky around your roommates they're literally hiding their girlfriends from meeting them or crossing paths with you by only bringing them over while you're away at work (and one's in a separate room).
>
> My roommate won't go to parties with me because he's afraid I'll be too akward or dorky, either sober or drunk.
>
> I do act rather happy drunk/manic if I drink a sip of alcohol, but I've slowly learned to restrict it from myself by pouring a drink and then later pretending to leave it sitting on a counter away from me (or, if there's Solo cups, filling it with water and claiming I'm hydrating myself in-between drinks). Taking 1mg of Klonopin orally or under my tongue lets me talk to girls in such a calm and cool way my friends are intimidated and go into disbelief.
>
> Yes, I am a dork. I saw "Almost Famous", and there's a part near the end with the mentor to the main character. He tells the 15 year old that like him, he is sitting home alone at night because he is a dork. He tells him he needs to accept himself as a smart writer/dork, and not try to believe he can change into someone cooler.
>
> I've accepted I'm not cool. I'm in college now, and I accept that I'm not "well-rounded" or cool. I'm a dorky eccentric that often bores myself at times. My old p-doc, after hearing me complain of Ritalin causing me to bore others, said, "you mean like me?"
>
> Okay, so I'm not going to expect to be cool anytime soon.
>
> But I was wondering, maybe if Straterra (and possibly provigil combined) works on my ADD and gives me energy and lets me avoid the amphetamines, will I still be stuck in dork mode from the Straterra or no?
>
> I've heard Straterra calms people down, which is far from how the amphetamines cause me to be overly talkative and say dorky things.
>
> For those who are smart eccentrics, have social anxiety disorder, AD/HD, and take a stimulant, my hat goes off to you.
>
> I've taken every immediate release med out there, and each one has yet to throw a 4.0 GPA at me or make me acceptable to even my current roommates. If Straterra+Provigil (my doc wants me to combine the two) works, I'd like that a lot. I can be a dork, but not a dork on speed-- it's not tolerable anymore.
yeah i just copy what the "cool guys" say and do and now i get along fine with everyone ......i just find it takes a bit of work to initially fight your instincts... but then i found ritalin made me less dorky... ummm ... my biggest problem is depression or mood stabilizers made me too quiet.... unable to come up with interesting stuff to say on the spot ... that sucked ... ritalin actually helped with this (faking being cool)
be yourself man.... but let yourself grow too
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