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Posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 0:01:23
Oh man...I hate this. I had an initial 'robust' response with Prozac, now it feels like someone put a heavy wet blanket on my soul...I can feel the strain and aches in my body.....and I am on the verge of tears. Never mind my libido is like in the high negative numbers, and again the same old suicidal thoughts...dark thoughts...but I don't want to hurt anyone I love by hurting myself......and that really is the main reason I can't go through with it. It's like the Effexor, but minus some of the 'buzzy' anxiety. Same kind of feelings also that I had on Celexa, Luvox, Zoloft, and Paxil. I have this 'look' on my face...my Ma say's it's the look "..like you lost your best friend." It's been like that for over a decade now.
Well, I know I gotta take a Zyprexa dose tonight, because it is one of the few that truly reduces the SI type thoughts. Also..I am seeing some bad signs in my Dad, who is on Doxepin and Bromazepam. He takes a Risperdal once in awhile for extreme anger and paranoia. Last night he got so drunk, he fell and almost passed out. This is something he does about 3 times a month. He is 67 years old...and I sure as heck am not going to suggest AA to him. He doesn't have the time...and I often feel like my Dad...I just want to get so drunk, so pi**ed out of my mind..forget everything..forget the world. I feel so sorry for my Dad too because I can't be the son who is 'cured'...or 'really well' like he wants me to be. He understands, but I know deep inside he wants to see the old 'happy lad' I used to be.
I go to the Mood Disorders Clinic for a clinical evaluation on July 31'st..but until then I know my doctor will help me any way he can. Maybe I need a small dose of a typical antipsychotic with Zyprexa. I dunno.
I'll try to post more when I feel a bit better. Thanks...
Peace,
Jay
Posted by linkadge on July 7, 2003, at 6:26:00
In reply to Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 0:01:23
try adding 1mg of folic acid and 100 mcg of b12 to your prozac regiment. These two vitamins taken as supplements have in many studies turned antidepressant partial responders into full remission.
Could also try adding fish oil
Linkadge
Posted by Rainee on July 7, 2003, at 9:34:54
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by linkadge on July 7, 2003, at 6:26:00
You Know Jay your story sounds so close to mine and I am genetically overloaded with people who wrre alcoholics on both sides of my family. And I do feel like my worst enemy. Linkage suggestion may be worth a shot I tried omega brite(fishoil) and vitamins and sublinguil B-12 I think last fall And I got a sparkle back I hadn't seen in years this was all just something I put together I stopped because of cost.. But now I'm starting to think hey maybe I was on to something there!
Keep in touch,
Rainee
Posted by crazychickuk on July 7, 2003, at 11:31:47
In reply to Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 0:01:23
I hated prozac, i was put on that last year, god it made me depressed, 2 ppl from my town that i know took prozac, and both committed suicide, they should ban it..
Posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 17:25:22
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by linkadge on July 7, 2003, at 6:26:00
> try adding 1mg of folic acid and 100 mcg of b12 to your prozac regiment. These two vitamins taken as supplements have in many studies turned antidepressant partial responders into full remission.
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> Could also try adding fish oil
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> LinkadgeHey thanks Linkadge. I did at one time try folic acid with B12 on their own, and had a bit of a rough time with it, seemed like increased anxiety. (I was taking MASSIVE doses, though.) Also, this was a long time ago, before I was on most of the medications I've been through. I seem to be able to get the suicidal thoughts (touch wood...heh) out of my head with a good Zyprexa dose, so I am keeping that instead of just PRN. (I also take Metformin (GLucophage) to possibly counter further weight gain..maybe lose some...and possible diabetes risk.) Thanks so much for your kind reply.
Best...
Jay
Posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 17:33:08
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by Rainee on July 7, 2003, at 9:34:54
> You Know Jay your story sounds so close to mine and I am genetically overloaded with people who wrre alcoholics on both sides of my family. And I do feel like my worst enemy. Linkage suggestion may be worth a shot I tried omega brite(fishoil) and vitamins and sublinguil B-12 I think last fall And I got a sparkle back I hadn't seen in years this was all just something I put together I stopped because of cost.. But now I'm starting to think hey maybe I was on to something there!
>
> Keep in touch,
> Rainee
Yes..thanks so much again Rainee. I've read some really interesting stuff on genetics and alcoholism, and that you may not even have to be an alcoholic to have the genetic material that makes you vulnerable. Maybe I've used food instead as I tend to binge..but I don't purge. (I used to purge...and I didn't even recognize it at the time...I thought I just had some 'digestive' problem.)I'll see about the vitamins..you can read my little story in the above post. Thankfully my suicidal thoughts are brought under control by Zyprexa.
Thanks so much again...
Jay
Posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 17:59:47
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by crazychickuk on July 7, 2003, at 11:31:47
> I hated prozac, i was put on that last year, god it made me depressed, 2 ppl from my town that i know took prozac, and both committed suicide, they should ban it..
I have been thinking, as many of us have, for a long time about any link between Prozac (or any SSRI and even all antidepressants) and suicide. On one side is the $cientologists and thier like who say their is an absolute corelation between the two. Then there are the drug companies who say there isn't any *absolute* corelation...but have been slowly revealing that it may be a "minor" risk.
From my own research, and this is summed up well by the author of "The Noonday Demon" and that is two things: One, all a.d.'s have a somewhat 'activating' action to them, and it may be that anxiety overflow that leads to suicidal thoughts. (I have to admit...my first a.d. was amitriptyline, and after a few weeks on it, I can remember the day clear as anything, I hit this wall of anxiety and deep depression unlike anything before, and started to cry and thought about *seriously* ending my life. This was 100x worse than anything pre-medication.)
Second, when our depression lifts, we are still left with facing problems that may have put us there in the first place. Often those problems get worse over the course of our depression (whether it is a relationship problem, or financial, or job oriented...the 3 that seem to be the biggest ones.) So, we end up feeling very overwhelmed, and again anxiety may overtake us and stir up these "oh my gawwddd...this is TOO MUCH!" type feelings.
I think a lesson out of this is that our treatment has to be very pro-active, and very slowly we may have to learn how to deal with other aspects of problems in our lives before our deprerssion can lift. (Of course I also think medication to counter the anxiety also is important, and that can range from benzos to, if the benzos don't work, either antipsychotics for immediate relief and/or mood stabalizers.) I also think a support system is important, and I know this is one of the hardest for many, because sometimes family and any friends either turn against us or move away from us.
Anyhow...thanks for your post....
Best,
Jay
Posted by Rainee on July 7, 2003, at 20:09:33
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help » Rainee, posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 17:33:08
Yep, I don't drink But started using food around 4 or 5 years old to self medicate. I had terrible anxiety as a child. I never purged either.
looking at my family and seeing all the possible untreated chemical imbalances makes me sad I don't know how many generations it goes back ( the self medicating) the question do we have a genetic brain thing going on or is it enviromental or both?Rainee :)
Posted by jay on July 9, 2003, at 4:58:32
In reply to Re: Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help » jay, posted by Rainee on July 7, 2003, at 20:09:33
> Yep, I don't drink But started using food around 4 or 5 years old to self medicate. I had terrible anxiety as a child. I never purged either.
> looking at my family and seeing all the possible untreated chemical imbalances makes me sad I don't know how many generations it goes back ( the self medicating) the question do we have a genetic brain thing going on or is it enviromental or both?
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> Rainee :)Well, I think, and the science seems to bend this way too, that it is both. The tough part is cracking the genetic code as well as making the 'ideal' environment. The second part is tough because, I think, we've created a society bent on values of greed, negativity, and selfishness. We don't have any sense of 'community', and helping each other.
Just imagine if we explored and created even better medications, as well as reduced stress levels by having communities of people that help each other..help each other get jobs...share the wealth..etc. We'd be so much better off, but I doubt we will get there anytime soon. People could start taking meds at a young age based on genetic history, and head off problems before they become worse. We already suggest people take 'suppliments' and such...and even aspirin for heart attack prevention.
Jay
Posted by denise528 on July 13, 2003, at 9:37:12
In reply to Prozac just like other SSRI's..ohh man....help, posted by jay on July 7, 2003, at 0:01:23
Hi Jay,
I know exactly how you feel, at one time I had a robust response to any AD that was given to me. Now nothing seems to work. You've just got to keep trying everything and hope by the time you've tried everything which is available now, if they haven't worked then something new will be on the horizon.
I often wish I could just lie down and die or wish I could go to that doctor in Switzerland and have him put me out of my misery. I haven't got the guts or motivation to even kill myself so I'm just going to keep searching and try every treatment available except psychotherapy because I don't believe it's for me.
By the way 10mg of Zyprexa is the only tablet that really seems to help me these days.
I'm pinning my hopes on gene therapy, I just hope it's not too far off in the distant future and It would be a really bummer if I turn out not to have the gene. Then I'll be really confused.
Denise
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