Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 200744

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Desoxyn

Posted by jesus on February 15, 2003, at 16:23:26

I was just wondering out of curiousity,...does anybody actually write scripts for dosoxyn nowadays??
I mean, I know it's to treat ADD and overweight patients but i just cant see any doc writing out a script of methamphetamine for it. I know alot of ppl who get scprits for controlled Adderall, Xanax, ect, but i havent heard of anybody on desoxyn...I guess that the manufacturers hardly any since i assume there's no demand?

 

Re: Desoxyn

Posted by utopizen on February 15, 2003, at 17:17:32

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by jesus on February 15, 2003, at 16:23:26

>.I guess that the manufacturers hardly any since i assume there's no demand?
>

Actually, Ovation Pharmaceuticals recently acquired the marketing rights to Desoxyn and Tranxene (a benzo) for $40 million. They believe the two are under-marketed and ripe for a comeback.

I got Desoxyn as a trial once. But my doc put me back on Adderall once I told him only 10mg of Desoxyn works effectively in me. At three times per day, this was 5mg more than the 20-25mg average dose in the PDR.


I think Desoxyn's average dosing is over-rated-- I knew a kid who also got dosed on 2.5mg 3x/day. That's obviously not going to give any effect-- and it didn't. And the doctor pegs the kid as treatment resistant. Unfortunately doctors are more deserving of that title sometimes...

 

Re: Desoxyn » jesus

Posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 3:17:41

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by jesus on February 15, 2003, at 16:23:26

Actually, my 8 year old son has ADHD. He has tried Dexedrine, Adderall XR, and regular. Bad effects from them. He is now on Ritalin. The Ritalin is working really good for him right now. Thats the key words, right now!!!!

His pdoc did mention Desoxyn, if the Ritalin doesn't work, or stops working. That was before Strattera was out though. If the Ritalin stops working, we might ask to try him on the Strattera first (hoping he doesn't end up with an allergic reaction from it like I did). But he did mention Desoxyn. I was kind of surprised, since I hadn't really heard anyone who was taking it. His pdoc said he writes several scripts for it. So, I guess that answers your question somewhat. His pdoc might be one of few who do though.

Jodie

 

Re: Desoxyn

Posted by utopizen on February 16, 2003, at 9:30:14

In reply to Re: Desoxyn » jesus , posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 3:17:41

> Actually, my 8 year old son has ADHD. He has tried Dexedrine, Adderall XR, and regular. Bad effects from them. He is now on Ritalin. The Ritalin is working really good for him right now. Thats the key words, right now!!!!
>

It tends only to get written in refractory kids, unless the doc really, really trusts an adult ADDer.

Of course, parents are known to rifle with their kid's prescription ADD meds...

Anyway, you tend not to hear about it because few kids don't respond to typical ADD meds like Adderall, Dexedrine, etc. More often, a doc would rather see a kid not get treated than risk him getting an audit for prescribing Desoxyn. The DEA likes to intimidate certain "red flag" prescribers-- Desoxyn, Dilaudid, Oxycotin, etc.

 

Re: Desoxyn » utopizen

Posted by jodie on February 16, 2003, at 14:42:40

In reply to Re: Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on February 16, 2003, at 9:30:14

Hello

Very true, I know my pdoc would not write me a prescription for Desoxyn. My sons pdoc specializes in children ADD/HD only, mine adults only.

It's sad that the DEA has to be that way. I know its because of abuse reasons. But sometimes its just silly.

Actually, after doing a lot of research on Desoxyn, I can say it would be hard to agree to my son taking Desoxyn, thats why I mentioned the Strattera. There are a few other stimulants he hasn't tried either. My son just has very severe ADHD. But if end the end, if Desoxyn is what he needs, then so be it (honestly though, I will be very nervous if that time comes)

My sons pdoc has been around for quite a while, and many people respect him. He is also a professor. He must be doing something right, like making accurate and wise decisions. He realizes, after a couple of years that my son happens to be one of those kids who doesn't respond to typical ADD meds. Actually a lot of his patients are referred to him by other pdocs, because of not responding to other meds (probably because they are afraid to prescribe anything stronger, and my son's isn't) Like I said though, Ritalin has actually been good for him. I am happy that he is responding well to it. His Dr. is surprised too, but happy about it.

Jodie

 

Re: Desoxyn » jesus

Posted by wingedcat on February 16, 2003, at 19:18:04

In reply to Desoxyn, posted by jesus on February 15, 2003, at 16:23:26

The few times I have tried methamphetamine, even a very low oral dose, I break out with the worst skin rash. I have read posts from people on other depression boards who have had good results with it, but it just seems to have so many more side effects than Adderall. Now that they have Adderall XR and Concerta, I think those are preferable as a longer-acting stimulant than Desoxyn.

 

Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine

Posted by PatrckKyle on February 17, 2003, at 4:42:39

In reply to Re: Desoxyn, posted by utopizen on February 15, 2003, at 17:17:32

Could somebody explain the differences between desoxyn and dexedrine? After reading previous posts on pstims, specifically desoxyn, I was curious as to why this drug isn't popular with many pdocs or, in some cases, even viewed as an allowable treatment option. It seems there are very few people who are actually taking Desoxyn, and no clear consensus on its efficacy in treating add. While many posts mention that doctors are unwilling to prescribe it, other's refer to it as the legal equlivent to the meth sold on the corner....Are there any benefits to desoxyn vs. adderall or dexedrine? I am currently taking 20mg adderall 2x daily, I feel like a lethargic space cadet. I want to talk my doctor about other options, specifically dexedrine or desoxyn. I've tried concerta, adderallxr, and now adderall. Any suggestions?

 

Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine

Posted by utopizen on February 17, 2003, at 11:39:10

In reply to Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine, posted by PatrckKyle on February 17, 2003, at 4:42:39

Desoxyn is better. It is meth, legal. That's why it's schedule II- and why having any meth of any kind is very severe unless it's with a prescription. Cocaine is schedule II, too. You can have it if you have a prescription for it-- it's used as a topic anaesthetic.

A reasonable doctor will understand this. It's in the same class ii as ritalin and adderall.

Desoxyn is simply amphetamine + methyl group, making it better. Same half-life as Dexedrine, but approximately twice as strong. Although I don't believe this... I think it's weaker dose equivelent than people claim.

 

Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine » utopizen

Posted by fairnymph on February 17, 2003, at 15:13:30

In reply to Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine, posted by utopizen on February 17, 2003, at 11:39:10

Methamphetamine is weaker than amphetamine on a weight basis. I.e., 5 mg of meth is significantly weaker than 5 mg amphetamine/dexedrine (or even adderall).

I don't have ADD, but I have used meth (good quality, but not legally obtained) for studying (so, no recreational effects really -- just keep me up and help me focus), and I would imagine that 20 mg of desoxyn (pure meth) would be the absolute minimum dose (equivalent to 5 mg dexedrine).

Meth has fewer side effects and lasts a lot longer. It is also a more powerful stimulant -- helps focusing more, but you must be careful with dosage, because if you go into the recreational range, it's too fun to concentrate on work.

Good luck!


> Desoxyn is better. It is meth, legal. That's why it's schedule II- and why having any meth of any kind is very severe unless it's with a prescription. Cocaine is schedule II, too. You can have it if you have a prescription for it-- it's used as a topic anaesthetic.
>
> A reasonable doctor will understand this. It's in the same class ii as ritalin and adderall.
>
> Desoxyn is simply amphetamine + methyl group, making it better. Same half-life as Dexedrine, but approximately twice as strong. Although I don't believe this... I think it's weaker dose equivelent than people claim.

 

Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine

Posted by PatrckKyle on February 17, 2003, at 17:51:44

In reply to Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine » utopizen, posted by fairnymph on February 17, 2003, at 15:13:30

Thank you for all the info. I will talk to my doctor about switching to either dexedrine (dextrostat 10mg) or desoxyn, hopefully he can determine which one would be better for me. It's unfortunate though, as I live in a very rural area, my psychiatrist has little experience with prescribing stimulants, and he spoke of only 2 other adults he has treated for add using wellbutrin. Thus, I have picked up the habit of reading a ridiculous amount of information about any medication I take, and possible alternatives. So I go to see my pdoc armed with articles, studies, etc, and an informed opinion and he generally prescribes whatever I ask him for. I'm not sure if this is viewed as medically "acceptable," or even theraputically beneficial, but like everything it has pros and cons. I am optimistic about finding some relief with either the dexedrine or desoxyn.

 

Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine

Posted by utopizen on February 18, 2003, at 1:21:08

In reply to Re: Desoxyn vs. Dexedrine » utopizen, posted by fairnymph on February 17, 2003, at 15:13:30

I asked my doc for 20mg doses, and he told me to switch back to adderall, which i hate, but use now. Adderall makes me anxious. Desoxyn does too, but at least I get my work done.

the PDR tells docs that 20-25mg is the average daily dose, split between 2-3 doses.


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