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Posted by Shawn. T. on July 19, 2002, at 22:08:05
Ok bipolars, try to beat this. The amount of each vitamin is up to you; try seeing what works best. You could get everything that you need in a multivitamin (make sure there's nothing it in that is going to cause a problem) except for the fish oil, calcium, vitamin D, and vitamin E. It is important to take all of those together; they work well in combination. Note that this does not apply to pregnant women, the elderly, or children.
Each day take:
3 x 1-3 grams of fish oil concentrate
3 x 250-300mg of calcium (take with fish oil)
3 x 200mg of vitamin D (take with calcium)
-Note that you can easily find calcium +
vitamin D supplements.
3 x 200 IU of vitamin E (take with vitamin D)
90-120 mg vitamin C
25mg DHEA (take it with breakfast)
0mg caffeine
0mg alcohol->Optional:
300-400 mcg folic acid
10-25 mcg vitamin B12
10-25 mg vitamin B6
other vitamins that float your boatIf all of that doesn't work, add:
7.5mg/day Remeron (if you're feeling depressed, anxious, a bit psychotic, or can't sleep). You could take 15mg/day, but I don't think it's necessary. Wait a couple weeks and only take more if you don't feel better.
150-300mg/day Wellbutrin (if you smoke or feel out of energy all day even with all the vitamins and supplements).
I really don't feel that a MAOI is necessary for someone with bipolar disorder. That's just my opinion, however. There will be better drugs soon, but I have made my suggestions based on what is available in the U.S. at this time.
Shawn
Posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 21:47:41
In reply to Supplement plan for bipolars, posted by Shawn. T. on July 19, 2002, at 22:08:05
Shawn, what is the reasoning/rationale behind this concoction? Thanks!> Ok bipolars, try to beat this. The amount of each vitamin is up to you; try seeing what works best. You could get everything that you need in a multivitamin (make sure there's nothing it in that is going to cause a problem) except for the fish oil, calcium, vitamin D, and vitamin E. It is important to take all of those together; they work well in combination. Note that this does not apply to pregnant women, the elderly, or children.
>
> Each day take:
> 3 x 1-3 grams of fish oil concentrate
> 3 x 250-300mg of calcium (take with fish oil)
> 3 x 200mg of vitamin D (take with calcium)
> -Note that you can easily find calcium +
> vitamin D supplements.
> 3 x 200 IU of vitamin E (take with vitamin D)
> 90-120 mg vitamin C
> 25mg DHEA (take it with breakfast)
> 0mg caffeine
> 0mg alcohol
>
> ->Optional:
> 300-400 mcg folic acid
> 10-25 mcg vitamin B12
> 10-25 mg vitamin B6
> other vitamins that float your boat
>
> If all of that doesn't work, add:
>
> 7.5mg/day Remeron (if you're feeling depressed, anxious, a bit psychotic, or can't sleep). You could take 15mg/day, but I don't think it's necessary. Wait a couple weeks and only take more if you don't feel better.
>
> 150-300mg/day Wellbutrin (if you smoke or feel out of energy all day even with all the vitamins and supplements).
>
> I really don't feel that a MAOI is necessary for someone with bipolar disorder. That's just my opinion, however. There will be better drugs soon, but I have made my suggestions based on what is available in the U.S. at this time.
>
> Shawn
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 23, 2002, at 19:23:44
In reply to Re: Supplement plan for bipolars, posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 21:47:41
I don't feel like going over all of the vitamins and minerals. Let's just say that they're "good for you." Omega-3-fatty acids have been shown to be effective in modulating mood in people with bipolar disorders. I really think that getting an adequate amount of calcium is important for bipolars. Remeron blocks 5-HT2a/c receptors, which act through the phospholipase C/ inositol phosphate pathway, which is very much related to bipolar disorders. Wellbutrin is effective in augmenting Remeron resistant depression and in counteracting some of Remeron's possible side effects (weight gain and drowsiness). I just really hate to see anyone taking lithium after everything that we learned in the nineties.
Shawn
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