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Posted by Alii on February 24, 2001, at 12:24:21
Two weeks back on Wb and Buspar. At 225 mg Wb a.m. and 20 mg Buspar p.m. Haven't woken up physically sick the last two mornings so that is good but the speedy energy of the Wb each time I increase the dose is so agitating. I am still waking throughout the morning. Previously my pattern has been total insomnia with not getting sleepy or couldn't fall asleep but once I finally did go under I didn't wake early or often that I can remember. This waking every one or two hours has got to go. My brain is too scattered to deal with cooking and my financial pic isn't allowing for a lot of prepared food so the nutrition thing is going to have to wait. I feel so overwhelmed having to try to deal with finding a place to live, filling out gov. forms for help, seeing the pdoc and therapist each week, writing down my moods if I can remember to do that, taking pills three times a day at the same time, getting enough sleep, etc. Fighting this disease at this point is a full time job! I didn't ask for this position and I don't recall seeing this in the job description!
I go to acupuncture today and see the pdoc on Mon. The disability insurance info from the state finally arrived Fri. It will be almost two months since I worked before I see any money. Difficult not to freak out over cash when you don't have enough to cover the bills. So low in the mornings and at night. Crying less each time which I'll take to be a good sign. I do recognize that there are more good moments creeping in. The blackness still grips me at night and early in the day. I want to give these meds a full chance at doing their stuff. I'm so tired of slogging through this hell. Why can't I just admit defeat and lie down for a little while?
--Alii
Posted by SalArmy4me on February 25, 2001, at 0:17:42
In reply to Still so blue, posted by Alii on February 24, 2001, at 12:24:21
I'm taking Wellbutrin with BuSpar also, along with a whole bunch of other stuff. I have noticed that the BuSpar is not strong enough to counter the overstimulation of Wellbutrin. Even switching to the SR version didn't help. But now I take Remeron to help me sleep. It kind of helps during the day, too.
I am not fond of mono-drug therapy, having been in this illness for 5 years. I think everyone should take two standard antidepressants together, because the majority of people I know are not relieved by one. BuSpar may have antidepressant effects, but I think that perhaps you could benefit greatly from the addition of something else. What have you tried before?
Posted by JohnM on February 25, 2001, at 11:09:41
In reply to Still so blue, posted by Alii on February 24, 2001, at 12:24:21
For major depression or social phobia (I don't know your diagnosis) you might try Nardil (an MAO inhibitor), if nothing else seems to work. Doctors use it later on if other medications don't work. The diet is a pain (no cheese or other "aged foods"), there is common weight gain, and sometimes orgasmic inhibition, but it almost always works. My doctor told me with regard to the side effects, "a person just has to be grateful they're not depressed anymore."
In life you can't have everything. A suggestion for your life: Be content not having everything.
Posted by Alii on February 27, 2001, at 12:01:43
In reply to Re: Still so blue, posted by SalArmy4me on February 25, 2001, at 0:17:42
I had to save this since the site was down when I tried to submit at 2 a.m. ish Pacific time. Little sleep. Lotsa crying. Feeling ill but now another successive day of actually not getting ill is another glimmer of hope. I feel like a walking zombie however the day outside is sunny and gorgeous. Beach weather. That is my one and only goal today. Forget calling people, dealing with the crap, packing, crying. I'm hittin' the sand and soakin' up some sun. (I say this confidently now as the Wb is kickin' in and my anxiety/dread hasn't descended upon me swiftly and suddenly as it has been each afternoon) I still fight my sense of lack of control about my moods/emotions. I'm starting to ramble. I'm going to strike while the iron is hot and use this buzzy Wb energy to boogie on down the hill to the beach. I do see better moments in the time from Feb. 10th to now (my time back on medications after two of three weeks of cold turkey quitting) I would like to be able to find a way to get through these wicked side effects. --A tired rambling Alii
> >What have you tried before?
Prozac--over the course of taking that I tried it with Trazadone and temazepam for sleep was necessary for the first two months. Then onto Paxil. Zoloft hell next. Serezone. Remeron. Two years ago I started reg. Wb eventually moving to the sustained release formula. It was brutal on my system starting it but leveled out and I felt better than I had in years. More energy could work and do things. Last summer early fall I began feeling really jittery at my 400 mg/ 2x150 a.m. and 100 p.m. dose so I worked down to 300 mg/day. Each time I adjusted the med I got the nasty nausea and sick stomach like I had when I began oh so long ago.I've been out of town for a couple days since the house situation is unpleasant. I am trying something new this depressive 'episode'--episodes are television shows, I think of this life-force draining black hole as a foe to do battle with--I am accepting the help of others when offered. I am quite humbled by the generous offers of people when I explain my situation of deeply debilitating depression, end of a 5 yr relationship, and loss of job all within two weeks of one another. I was having a difficult night Saturday so I called a friend and asked if I could come stay over there. I stayed two nights and had a nice time on Sunday visiting with my former dotcom cohorts. I played with a pal's two year old in our friend's back yard. First warmish day after a lot of rain here, I was involving myself in something besides this deep dark funk and I got to run around with the overwhelming energy of a growing loud very much alive two year old. That is some magic that can cut through the darkness. True gem that little tyke. It was good for me to escape my lack of movement and go out and 'do' things.
It's late where I'm typing this. I am finally feeling sleepy and must go with that, even if I'll be awake in an hour and a half. I've woken up at 3:30 a.m. for the past two weeks straight (perhaps I've had one night of solid sleep, dunno, the wellbutrin brain fog is creeping in already)
--Alii
If you have any helpful questions please ask! I am reaching out this time so I can put these pieces together and feel alive again. Thanks.
Posted by laurai on July 1, 2001, at 21:37:50
In reply to Re: Still so blue, posted by Alii on February 27, 2001, at 12:01:43
> I had to save this since the site was down when I tried to submit at 2 a.m. ish Pacific time. Little sleep. Lotsa crying. Feeling ill but now another successive day of actually not getting ill is another glimmer of hope. I feel like a walking zombie however the day outside is sunny and gorgeous. Beach weather. That is my one and only goal today. Forget calling people, dealing with the crap, packing, crying. I'm hittin' the sand and soakin' up some sun. (I say this confidently now as the Wb is kickin' in and my anxiety/dread hasn't descended upon me swiftly and suddenly as it has been each afternoon) I still fight my sense of lack of control about my moods/emotions. I'm starting to ramble. I'm going to strike while the iron is hot and use this buzzy Wb energy to boogie on down the hill to the beach. I do see better moments in the time from Feb. 10th to now (my time back on medications after two of three weeks of cold turkey quitting) I would like to be able to find a way to get through these wicked side effects. --A tired rambling Alii
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> > >What have you tried before?
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> Prozac--over the course of taking that I tried it with Trazadone and temazepam for sleep was necessary for the first two months. Then onto Paxil. Zoloft hell next. Serezone. Remeron. Two years ago I started reg. Wb eventually moving to the sustained release formula. It was brutal on my system starting it but leveled out and I felt better than I had in years. More energy could work and do things. Last summer early fall I began feeling really jittery at my 400 mg/ 2x150 a.m. and 100 p.m. dose so I worked down to 300 mg/day. Each time I adjusted the med I got the nasty nausea and sick stomach like I had when I began oh so long ago.
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> I've been out of town for a couple days since the house situation is unpleasant. I am trying something new this depressive 'episode'--episodes are television shows, I think of this life-force draining black hole as a foe to do battle with--I am accepting the help of others when offered. I am quite humbled by the generous offers of people when I explain my situation of deeply debilitating depression, end of a 5 yr relationship, and loss of job all within two weeks of one another. I was having a difficult night Saturday so I called a friend and asked if I could come stay over there. I stayed two nights and had a nice time on Sunday visiting with my former dotcom cohorts. I played with a pal's two year old in our friend's back yard. First warmish day after a lot of rain here, I was involving myself in something besides this deep dark funk and I got to run around with the overwhelming energy of a growing loud very much alive two year old. That is some magic that can cut through the darkness. True gem that little tyke. It was good for me to escape my lack of movement and go out and 'do' things.i'm so sad for you. i think it's great that you continue to make an effort and manage to find some pleasure in friendships.
i've been on a lot of different meds, but it was by accident that I found the elavil which is really working for my depression. I suggested to my doctor that I try it because i thought it's sedating effects would help my bad insomnia. in about two weeks, my mood had drastically improved. i'm taking less than 100mg, but it seems to be working.
good luck to you.
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> It's late where I'm typing this. I am finally feeling sleepy and must go with that, even if I'll be awake in an hour and a half. I've woken up at 3:30 a.m. for the past two weeks straight (perhaps I've had one night of solid sleep, dunno, the wellbutrin brain fog is creeping in already)
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> --Alii
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> If you have any helpful questions please ask! I am reaching out this time so I can put these pieces together and feel alive again. Thanks.
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