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Posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 9:56:34
There are four generations in my family that have these symptoms. The latest victim is my youngest son, (Brilliant 19 year old college student.)
I need someone to listen to me and take this seriously. It would seem to me that since I can trace this to both my son's, my mother, myself, my grandfather and my grandmother that there would be something that is being overlooked. Baseline thyroid given. Psych tests given, Russian Roulette with meds given.
It just takes someone to look at this and see there is something in common with all of this. What is it???
Symptoms-
Anxiety, Depression, Low Blood Pressure, History of Thyroid Disease, (maternal grandmother), heart palpatations, exercise induced asthma. Highly intelligent, with a big side order of emotion. NO signs of any psych illness until around 16 years old, although emotional as a young child. Perfectionism shows at age 14 or so, none before this time.
Four generations!
Good student, no problems in high school. Straight A's, Honors, etc. Three Generations!
Everything explodes after age 18.
Symptoms-
Anxiety, depresson, "unable to turn head off", terrible, scary thoughts that are opposite of person's desire.
A complete 180 of what the person was. Can't get out of bed for fear of these thoughts and the anxiety that comes with them.Three Generations!
Medical Profession DX-Bipolar?
Cyclothymic?
Anxiety Disorder?
Severe Depression?
A-Typical Depression?
Pre-psychotic?Three Generations!
Unusual reactions to the normal drugs for these conditions?
Three Generations!
SSRI- (Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, Celexa) First two days are fine. Third day and on--- aggressive, angry, anxiety, weakness, thoughts are worse, depression unchanged. Trial for 6 months. Hospitalization for two generations from getting more aggressive, almost manic, psychotic.
Tricyclics- (Elavil, Desipramine) Two generations given. Somewhat effective, but thoughts still there and anxiety.
Deseryl-Thoughts worse, nightmares, crying. Worse depression. Two generations.
Lithium-Could not tolerate. One generation.
Depakote-Severe Depression, Numb, Confusion
Klonopin-Added to Tricyclic for one generation. Worked for a few years, but thoughts still there.
Trial with son right now in addition to Remeron.
Many more meds, will list all of them if interested and dosages where possible.
Son is taking these meds right now.
Depakote
Zyprexa
Five day trial AGAIN of Celexa- Manic symptoms
Last week, added- Klonopin and Remeron.Help please. I know there is a common component of all of this, but I cannot get anyone to listen to me.
What has helped me after 15 years!!!!!
Nardil, 60 mg a day. But... only without a mix of Klonopin or anything else!!!! Still suicidal tendencies with Klonopin. Nardil only for two years now!!!!
One year of psychs will not consider this for my son. Too dangerous they say. I have been taking this for five years. Two years without many side effects. The only problem is an occasional 'too happy', annoying state, according to others in the home. Mini-mania so to speak.
Any ideas????
Thanks for your time.
IN ADDITION, WE WOULD BE A FANTASTIC GROUP TO STUDY FOR THREE LIVING GENERATIONS!!!!!!
smd
Posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 10:27:34
In reply to 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 9:56:34
I forgot to mention there is also Parkinson's Disease and symptoms on the same side of the family, four generations.
Thanks again,
smd
Posted by AndrewB on November 26, 2000, at 13:22:30
In reply to 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 9:56:34
It must be hard to see your son go through what you've gone through. I would like to offer a few ideas.
First, I hope that your son is seeing an experienced psychopharmocologist, he requires the best help that is out there.
Secondly, I believe with some firmness that you and possibly your son should be taking low doses of selegiline. Parkinsons is the result of a neurotoxic process which is halted or slowed by selegiline. Taking selegiline has been shown to delay the onset of Parkinsons in those with pre-parkisonian symptoms. If you take it now, before any symptomology is present, perhaps your prognosis is even better.
Now here is an idea, just an idea that I want to present to you:
The symptoms of anxiety, low blood pressure, heart palp., exercise induced asthma (interestingly there is a high correlation between asthma and anxiety and depression) as well as moderate response to tricyclics may indicate norandrenergic system dysfunction. This is something to discuss with your doctor. Reboxetine, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, can in certain cases be effective for mood and anxiety problems(and for some it does just the opposite). Your doctor may also want to get your son’s cortisol levels checked.The invasive thoughts certainly makes one think that a low dose antipsychotic of some variety may help. What is your son’s response to Zyprexa?
Finally I wonder if a better choice of mood stabilizer may be gabapentin because it often also provides an anxiolytic effect.
Best wishes,
AndrewB
Posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 18:48:42
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by AndrewB on November 26, 2000, at 13:22:30
Hi Andrew,
Thanks so much for your advice. Yes it is hard to see him go through many of the things I went through. It is like living through them again, without the benefit of knowing that someday, somehow it won't be nearly as bad.
What exactly is selegiline? Also, is a psychopharmocologist easy to find without getting routed to a psychiatrist?
In addition, to throw more interesting things on the fire, he was really 'down' this afternoon, almost scared as he called it. He took a Benadryl Sinus Formula, one tablet and came out of this in 30 minutes. He is now getting some long overdue projects done for school. We both realize this is not the way to get out of a these symptoms, but.... how in the world did Pseudoephedrine do this? It wasn't the Diphenhydramine, as he has tried the regular formula of Benadryl and it doesn't give the same effect.
Thoughts are we looking at other things such as Atypical Depression or maybe ADD?
So many symptoms apply to so many different things.
Thanks again,
smd
> It must be hard to see your son go through what you've gone through. I would like to offer a few ideas.
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> First, I hope that your son is seeing an experienced psychopharmocologist, he requires the best help that is out there.
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> Secondly, I believe with some firmness that you and possibly your son should be taking low doses of selegiline. Parkinsons is the result of a neurotoxic process which is halted or slowed by selegiline. Taking selegiline has been shown to delay the onset of Parkinsons in those with pre-parkisonian symptoms. If you take it now, before any symptomology is present, perhaps your prognosis is even better.
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> Now here is an idea, just an idea that I want to present to you:
> The symptoms of anxiety, low blood pressure, heart palp., exercise induced asthma (interestingly there is a high correlation between asthma and anxiety and depression) as well as moderate response to tricyclics may indicate norandrenergic system dysfunction. This is something to discuss with your doctor. Reboxetine, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, can in certain cases be effective for mood and anxiety problems(and for some it does just the opposite). Your doctor may also want to get your son’s cortisol levels checked.
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> The invasive thoughts certainly makes one think that a low dose antipsychotic of some variety may help. What is your son’s response to Zyprexa?
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> Finally I wonder if a better choice of mood stabilizer may be gabapentin because it often also provides an anxiolytic effect.
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> Best wishes,
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> AndrewB
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Posted by AndrewB on November 26, 2000, at 21:27:34
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP to Andrew, posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 18:48:42
Selegiline is a drug that has various effects but at low doses it is basically an MAOB inhibitor. By inhibiting MAOB it increases dopamine in the synaptic cleft and also prevents the entry of a neurotoxin into the dopamine cells, thus protecting against cell death. It is used mostly by people with Parkinson’s but it is also used as an AD (at higher doses) and for ADD. Since for many it increases one's sense of vitality, it is also used by people without specific disorders who just want to feel better. Available in the US. Can cause anxiety in some. Check for potential drug interactions though it can apparently be combined with SSRIs despite some warning in various literature.
To find a qualified psychopharmocologist, call the psychiatric department of a large local medical school or hospital. Ask for contact info. for psychopharmocolgists. (Also ask if their department has a website with bios of their staff, very useful.) Once you have a list of local psychopharmocologists, call their offices and arrange to have a 5 minute telephone discussion with them. In the conversation; determine their areas of interest, ask them what psychopharmocologist (besides themselves) they would recommend, and briefly describe your son’s symptoms and ask if he thinks he can be of help. You should be able to make a choice from amongst them from this info.
Psuedoephedrine, like ephedrine is an adrenergic agonist that also releases norepinephrine from storage vesicles. Differs from ephedrine in that it gives less of an energized feeling. Presumably like ephedrine it is inappropriate for long term use due to tolerance and the subsequent rebound effect.
Your son’s reaction to it however is another indication of possible dysfunction in the norandrenergic system. (Interestingly, anxiety or panic are some of the more common side effects of pseudoephedrine.) Anyway, discuss this with your doctor, reboxetine or some other andrenergic drug has the potential to help here.
What you describe does not sound like atypical depression or ADD.
Again, I would like to know how your son responded to Zyprexa.
Best wishes,
AndrewB
Posted by AndrewB on November 27, 2000, at 21:53:21
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP to Andrew, posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 18:48:42
After reading some posts above I thought I would bring to your attention the thread "Alternative to Depakote" where one poster states that oxcarbezepine is better all around than Depakote.
AndrewB
Posted by smd on November 28, 2000, at 6:53:26
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP to Andrew, posted by AndrewB on November 27, 2000, at 21:53:21
We have had two good days now. I am so grateful for these two days. He has cut his Depakote down to 300 mg a day and has taken 30 mg of pseudoephidrine for two days. I did not advise this but it helps him feel better. I did advise the Depakote reduction though.
I am honestly beginning to think it is the Depakote that is causing the lethargy and depression. I know I didn't tolerate it well. He even worked out last evening and he hasn't done that for weeks.
We are still holding our breath here.
I am waiting on a change in my telephone service. I am not able to write much until they get this completed. However, I will ask him to detail his feelings on Zyprexa. Hopefully later today the service will be done on my lines.
He is inspired by your answers to my questions. You have explained so much more than any medical professional we have met to date.
In response to the ADD or Atypical, does this look like a form of Bipolar?
Thanks so much for you input!
smd and son
Posted by Noa on November 28, 2000, at 17:51:08
In reply to 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by smd on November 26, 2000, at 9:56:34
Some of what you describe brings to mind OCD and panic disorder.
Also, it is possible to have "normal" results on thyroid tests even if there are thyroid problems. See the Thyroid and Depression folder at Psycho-Babble-Tips at egroups--link up above on main PB page.
Also, I believe in Dr Bob's links (link at top of page) there is a link to studies in search of participants. NIMH and other places do look for families with multiple members who have similar symptoms.
Posted by AndrewB on November 29, 2000, at 3:13:14
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update » AndrewB, posted by smd on November 28, 2000, at 6:53:26
I'm not the best one to say whether you or your son have a bipolar component or cyclothymia. A qualified psychopharmocologist can help in making this often tricky diagnosis. Definately it would be hard to say from the limited info you have provided. Bipolar or not, neurontin may have potential benefit for your son. Hate to say it, but your son may be heading for a crash if continues the pseudoephedrine. His response to it offers clues as to which drugs may be effective long term therapies for him but it shouldn't be considered an answer in itself.
Best wishes,
AndrewB
Posted by smd on November 29, 2000, at 8:26:12
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by Noa on November 28, 2000, at 17:51:08
> Some of what you describe brings to mind OCD and panic disorder.
Yes, I agree and it has been mentioned by his psychologist, whom he likes very much. I find it interesting though that that drugs used to treat these disorders (ssri and buspar) cause the reaction they do.
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> Also, it is possible to have "normal" results on thyroid tests even if there are thyroid problems. See the Thyroid and Depression folder at Psycho-Babble-Tips at egroups--link up above on main PB page.My biggest problem here is finding a doctor that will look further into this. I have been trying myself since 1985. My answers from doctors has been that the base line tests are normal so there is no problem.
I have been told by my psych that there is a mixed thyroid condition (name?) that causes the readings to fluctuate. Therefore, a doctor would have to test several times in one day to see the readings. He offered no such test to me.
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> Also, I believe in Dr Bob's links (link at top of page) there is a link to studies in search of participants. NIMH and other places do look for families with multiple members who have similar symptoms.Thanks, I will check into this. I also plan to review a site called www.clinicaltrials.com.
Leaving school at this time is a problem for him This stresses him so much since he left in the last few weeks of his second semester last spring due to a mental breakdown. No credits given to him by the University. He feels terrible about this.
Thanks for all of your feedback. Keep it coming, we need all the help we can get.smd and son
Posted by smd on November 29, 2000, at 8:35:56
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update, posted by AndrewB on November 29, 2000, at 3:13:14
> I'm not the best one to say whether you or your son have a bipolar component or cyclothymia. A qualified psychopharmocologist can help in making this often tricky diagnosis. Definately it would be hard to say from the limited info you have provided. Bipolar or not, neurontin may have potential benefit for your son.
I think Neurontin would be a good choice. I took it for a few years following an accident. The only really bad reaction I had was forgetfullness. I was taking quite a large dose at that time for pain management. The weight gain is kind of bad, but he can afford to gain a few pounds.
Hate to say it, but your son may be heading for a crash if continues the pseudoephedrine. His response to it offers clues as to which drugs may be effective long term therapies for him but it shouldn't be considered an answer in itself.
Yes, you are very right. In fact, he has crashed already. He did this last night. I am begging him to hang on here. I had to reverse the situation and make him angry to keep him from being so depressed and hopeless. I don't like doing this, but he is worrying me.
We are researching for a new doctor for him today. Wish us luck. We are in Indiana by the way if anyone knows of anyone close.
Thanks again for everything. Keep them coming, it makes him feel better to know someone is listening to him.
smd and son
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> Best wishes,
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> AndrewB
Posted by Brandon on November 29, 2000, at 9:41:08
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update, posted by smd on November 29, 2000, at 8:35:56
Hello smd,
I am from Indiana as well. I live in the Southern part of the state during the summer and during the fall/winter/spring I am in Bloomington for school. If you are in my region I might be able to suggest a doc. I hope everything is well. By the way, I take selegiline as well and it has done a lot for me as well. Good luck.
Posted by Noa on November 29, 2000, at 11:50:22
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP? » Noa, posted by smd on November 29, 2000, at 8:26:12
> My biggest problem here is finding a doctor that will look further into this. I have been trying myself since 1985. My answers from doctors has been that the base line tests are normal so there is no problem.
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Mary Shomon's web site (thyroid-info.com) has a page with recommendations of doctors from her readers. That is how I found my endocrinologist.here is the addy:
http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/library/weekly/bldoc1.htm
Maybe it will help.
Posted by smd on November 30, 2000, at 6:31:32
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update, posted by Brandon on November 29, 2000, at 9:41:08
Awesome Brandon! You are a stone's throw away from me. Cummins Engine Company sound familiar for my location? Please let me know a few docs that you know of. This is great. What kind of trials have you had with other meds and how well did the
selegiline work for you? Any side effects?Thanks so much,
smd and son
Posted by smd on November 30, 2000, at 6:37:00
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-HELP?, posted by Noa on November 29, 2000, at 11:50:22
> Mary Shomon's web site (thyroid-info.com) has a page with recommendations of doctors from her readers. That is how I found my endocrinologist.
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> here is the addy:
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> http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/library/weekly/bldoc1.htm
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> Maybe it will help.Thanks Noa. I will check this site out. Knowing someone who knows of good physicians seems to be the key to getting help these days. It is too bad that we cannot have a review site similiar to the ones they have for cars. Wouldn't that be great?
A strange day yesterday. Very bad morning. I thought he would be admitted to the hospital. Later in the day, he picked right up and got many things done. He said he didn't take any Pseudo...
I would be thrilled if today was a good as yesterday.Hope to check back in on this site again soon. I am trying to get ISDN set up on my line and the local Telco is having some problems. I look forward to everyone's postings so much.
Thanks again,
smd and son
Posted by Ted on November 30, 2000, at 19:44:04
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update » AndrewB, posted by smd on November 28, 2000, at 6:53:26
smd,
Amazing! My wife and I have similar problems in our families. We should compare geneologies! :-)
Your descriptions sound a lot like a combination of obsessive-compulsive disorder combined with bipolar-II disorder (just like me!).
Here is what I recommend:
1. Depakote: antimanic, quiets the anger, aggression, etc.
2. antidepressents. I take zoloft 175mg + wellbutrin 150mg bid. Working OK for 18 months now.Depakote DOES cause lethargy. There are ways to combat it, though, like taking it at noon and bedtime. The dose (300 mg) sounds odd to me (depakote comes in 125, 250, and 500 mg tabs). I hope you are not breaking the tablets -- they MUST be taken whole. Make sure you get regular blood tests to make sure your liver is OK and your valproate level is OK so you don't take more depakote than necessary.
Good luck, and keep us informed,
Ted
Posted by S. Howard on December 1, 2000, at 22:14:27
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update, posted by Ted on November 30, 2000, at 19:44:04
Ted-
Uh...I know the depakote tablets aren't scored, but why is it so critical to take them whole?
I take 500 mg at night along with 100 mg seroquel and I can barely function until noon or later, even with espresso IV. I was thinking of cutting the tablets in half.
-Gracie
Posted by Ted on December 2, 2000, at 18:25:12
In reply to Ted-Depakote ?, posted by S. Howard on December 1, 2000, at 22:14:27
Hi Gracie,
The tablets have what is called an "enteric coating" which prevents them from being digested and absorbed when in the stomach. The coating keeps them inert until they get into the intestines. The reasons from what I can find in the PDR are first, the drug is *really* hard on the stomach, so delaying its release helps in that respect. The second reason is that there seems to be some reaction between the stomach acid and the drug which is detrimental. That is partly why depakene, which is pure valproic acid, is not used much anymore.
Besides, the PDR has a stern warning to take the tablets whole and not to break or crush them.
Ted
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> Ted-
> Uh...I know the depakote tablets aren't scored, but why is it so critical to take them whole?
> I take 500 mg at night along with 100 mg seroquel and I can barely function until noon or later, even with espresso IV. I was thinking of cutting the tablets in half.
> -Gracie
Posted by S. Howard on December 3, 2000, at 0:27:38
In reply to Re: Ted-Depakote ?, posted by Ted on December 2, 2000, at 18:25:12
Crap, it figures.
-G
Posted by Brandon on December 4, 2000, at 1:02:39
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update » Brandon, posted by smd on November 30, 2000, at 6:31:32
Hi smd and son,
I'm very sorry that it took me so long to respond to your post. I hope things are not too bad for you and your son. I know exactly where you are and unfortunately I do not know of any doctors in this area. I have a good relationship with my doctor back home so thankfully I have not needed to look for one up here. Have you tried IU med school in Indy? I am sure the hospital there would have some wonderful doctors. If you need me to I can get a direct number for you to call.
You said your son responds well to psuedoephedrine. That would seem to indicate some kind of noradrenergic dysfunction. It is interesting to me because I get the same response from it and it's parent compound ephedrine. Is he on any mood stabilizers right now? What about antidepressants? I've taken Depakote and Tegretol and both made me apathetic and depressed. However small doses of Dilantin did wonders for me. Alas though it seemed to have pooped out on me. That is one of the reasons I made the switch to Selegiline. I had taken it in the past as monotherapy and recieved some very good benefits from it. I currently take it with 25mgs. of amisulpride and 2grams of Tyrosine. It has helped me so much more now. Amisulpride is a French antipsychotic that can only be acquired through mail order. If you are interested I would suggest e-mailing Andrewb. He was put together a very impressive info sheet on it. Selegiline is great drug for low energy, apathy, and vitality. When I take it with amisulpride the anxiety I experienced previously on it is gone. That was the big reason I discontinued it the first time. I only take 5mgs. of selegiline and this dose seems to do just fine for me. Any higher and I start to get a speedy, jittery feeling typical of overstimulation.
I hope you get to read this, I did not forget about you :). Good luck and please let me know if you still have some unanswered questions that I could help with.
Posted by smdd on December 6, 2000, at 9:01:52
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update smd , posted by Brandon on December 4, 2000, at 1:02:39
Finally, I am back. I have lost touch for almost a week now due to the ISDN change I made. I missed all your posts so much.
I had to re-register, as I forgot all the info I had registered with orginally and lost all my bookmarks due to two reloads of software. Hence, I have added the 'd' to 'smd'. I am not real creative. ;-)
I have some good news to report.
My son has completed a slow withdrawal of depakote and had been depakote free for almost a week now. He is no longer crying daily and deeply depressed.He is still suffering from anxiety, but very little. He is taking 5mg of Klonopin a day.
He is taking 30mg of Remeron a day and has been doing this for two weeks. I think it is taking a good hold and not giving him the same side effects as Paxil and Celexa.
He talked with his psych very honestly early this week. I believe the psych learned of my son's frustration with him via his S.W., as the relationship has changed somewhat. The psych seems to be a little more willing to listen to my son. He has even called our home a few times to check on him.
My son explained to his psych that he wants to try to withdrawal from Zyprexa. He feels that this medication is making him numb to the world. He cannot feel his emotions.
This is the part I am overdue on giving information on. His experience with Zyprexa.
As I mentioned above. He feels numb to the emotions he has. This is very frustrating to him. He feels out of touch with everything. He cannot process the emotion that comes with the situation. It causes him great confusion and in an effort to 'feel' this emotion, he becomes frustrated and anxious.
I have noticed his shaking for no reason. He is not cold and not extremely anxious when I notice this. He is taking the lowest dosage of Zyprexa. I feel that this was a side effect.
He had said before it slowed down his repetitive thoughts, but later said it didn't really have an effect. I am not sure what to give for information here.
I have noticed no other side effects and he has mentioned no others that he is aware of.
Now for detoxing from Zyprexa. He had just missed one dose and could feel something going on. What he explained seemed like a detox from Paxil, but he said it wasn't as bad as that. He felt a little nauseated, and dizzy. His vision felt strange. This was just last night. Again he has just missed his dose the night before.
He is weaning off of this by taking one dose every other day for a few days, then stopping completely. His psych is aware of this and cautioned him about a possible manic episode if he dose not take Zyprexa. My son wanted to take the chance.
Last night (missing one dose) he was hilarious. I have not had that much fun with him in a year. He was doing his character voices for cartoons like he used to and very happy. He could feel his emotions again and was thrilled about it.
I was a little nervous as I wondered if he was bordering on a manic episode. But I wonder if that is just my son, not depressed and feeling good for once. It is hard to tell.
I will keep you updated on his progress. I think everything is running computer/isp/isdn now. (knockin' on wood)
Now, this brings me to one last question. I know it is too early to tell but it seems to me that my second dx of atypical depression and not cyclothymia is fitting for him. If he does not have another episode..... what were called manic episodes, were they really? As these episodes are nothing like what I have read about. Could this be extreme excitement or a rush so to speak, causing manic behavior? I also might add that when he had these he was taking the herbal form of Ephedra on a daily basis. I asked him repeatedly not to do this, but he just would not listen.
I apologize for my running on in sentences here. I have so much to mention from the last week. I am not doing a very good job of outlining.
Hope to hear from you all soon and thanks so much for all the posts.
smd and son :-D
Posted by JahL on December 6, 2000, at 17:36:09
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update smd , posted by Brandon on December 4, 2000, at 1:02:39
Selegiline is great drug for low energy, apathy, and vitality. I only take 5mgs. of selegiline and this dose seems to do just fine for me.
Wow. Sounds like what I need. Brandon, could you tell me how many days it took for you to start feeling the benefits of Selegeline and for how long the effects have been maintained. It is one of the few drugs left I have to trial for suicidal depression.
Thanks,
Jah.
Posted by smdd on December 6, 2000, at 18:56:33
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update smd , posted by Brandon on December 4, 2000, at 1:02:39
Hi Brandon,
I am hoping we have a slight handle on this now. At the very least, perhaps he can start feeling a little better to understand what he is feeling. I know a week ago, he couldn't think at all and could not put into words how badly he felt. This week has been much better, but I am still cautiously optimistic.
IU had been a thought. I met a few doctors there a few years ago. I was trying to get help for a rare complication of an accident I had a few years ago. I find that doctors there are pretty much the same as any in the Indianpolis area.
I am sorry I didn't reply to your post sooner. I only had time to type a general post earlier today and wanted to give a decent reply to your post this evening.
Thank you for your understanding. I have been without the benefits of the internet for several days until recently. Just reading the posts here seems to make both of us feel better.
How in the world did you find these drugs? I am amazed these are not any of the ones I have been told about from doctors in my nearly 20 years of visits for depression and anxiety.
How would one go about telling a doctor to look into these drug treatments without offending the doctor? It seems that when I bring up any new studies, or anything out of mainstream, I am dismissed by most doctors in my area. If I even come close to mentioning the internet... well you know. ;-)
Thanks again. I would like to get more information on these drugs. I am going to look into possibly changing my Nardil when things calm down here at home. I do not like the weight gain (nearly 50 pounds in five years) and the food and drug restrictions I have.
This time of year, I pray not to get any virus or flu, as most of the meds I am given have a really bad reaction in combo with Nardil. I am forced to use many herbs that will not cause side effects in combination with Nardil. That is not easy to do and it takes much longer to feel better when I do become ill.
This is also I really didn't want my son to take Nardil. If I can convince my somewhat open- minded psychiatrist to think about this change, then perhaps I can be the guinea pig...in order for my son to try them later.
Thanks again,
smd and son
Posted by smdd on December 6, 2000, at 19:21:11
In reply to Re: 4 Generations Confirmed-Update smd , posted by Brandon on December 4, 2000, at 1:02:39
Hi again Brandon,I just read an interesting study on PD. I wouldn't have read so much into this, if it were not for your post.
I also have something I found interesting about this in regard to my current situation. I want to read more on this before I comment.
http://www.internalchange.com/resources/Panic%20Disorder.html
Thanks again,
smd and son
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