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Posted by rogdog on October 16, 2000, at 21:25:59
John, thanks for your reply! Andrew, which worked better for you, for social anxiety and motivation? amisulpiride or zyprexa? instead of a stimulant have you or anyone tried piracetam or a similar drug.. I cant take a stimulant because of my tourettes.(thats what the old doc said). thanks again, Rog
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Posted by JohnL on October 17, 2000, at 5:16:55
In reply to amisulpiride or zyprexa to Andrew, John or any, posted by rogdog on October 16, 2000, at 21:25:59
> John, thanks for your reply! Andrew, which worked better for you, for social anxiety and motivation? amisulpiride or zyprexa? instead of a stimulant have you or anyone tried piracetam or a similar drug.. I cant take a stimulant because of my tourettes.(thats what the old doc said). thanks again, Rog
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> "everyone on this board kicks ass!"
Amisulpride or Zyprexa? For me that's a tough call. I think either one of them could work well, though as with anything else, one might work while another doesn't. I hate the 'your mileage may vary' part, but you know how that goes. Personally I favor Amisulpride, just because of its relative lack of side effects. Zyprexa is often a bit too sedating for me, and weight gain is pretty common. Those are pretty rare side effects with Amisulpride.For social anxiety and motivation, Adrafinil could also be an excellent choice. At least in my own personal experience anyway. An unbelievably good combo is Amisulpride(25mg to 50mg) + Adrafinil (300mg). Talk about being perfectly at ease, comfortable, and motivated in a crowd. Wow. The two together is greater than just the sums of the two added, if that makes any sense. But either alone in their own rights are very good.
I understand you can't take stimulants. I wouldn't include Adrafinil in that category. Sure, on the label it says 'Psychostimulant'. But it doesn't work chemically like stimulants. Totally different ballgame. And it takes at least a week, up to four, to feel its benefits. Unlike regular stimulants you can feel right away. Adrafinil is, in my own experience, about as mild as herbs, and so effective it always amazes me. I feel the same about Amisulpride. I just wanted to say, don't rule out Adrafinil. Just because you can't take stimulants doesn't mean you can't take Adrafinil. They really aren't the same.
I have no experience with Nootropics. I would like to find out more about them, like whether they really are good or whether it's just a lot of hype. Personal trial is probably the only way to do that.
John
Posted by AndrewB on October 17, 2000, at 12:48:07
In reply to Re: amisulpiride or zyprexa to Andrew, John or any, posted by JohnL on October 17, 2000, at 5:16:55
I haven't tried Zyprexa. Amisulpride can be very effective for social anxiety. It also can make you care about life again. But it usually doesn't provide 'get up and go' type of motivation, that is why it is normally combined with an arousal agent. Zyprexa, as I understand, can really make it hard to 'get up and go' because it is sedating. I have an info. piece on amisulpride. To get it email me at andrewb@seanet.com.
John is right. If amisulpride works for you, you may find adrafinil an effective arousal agent to combine with it.
AndrewB
Posted by Anna P. on October 17, 2000, at 13:12:01
In reply to Re: amisulpiride or zyprexa to Andrew, John or any, posted by AndrewB on October 17, 2000, at 12:48:07
> Hello John L.
I am concerned about your opinion in the previous post regarding stimulants use and Adrafinil.
You mention there is a chance for a person who can't take stimulants to try Adrafinil.
I would be interested in that idea very much.If you don't mind me asking, what are the differences between Adrafinil and Provigil.
Anna P.
Posted by SLS on October 17, 2000, at 21:47:17
In reply to Re: amisulpiride or zyprexa to Andrew, John or any, posted by AndrewB on October 17, 2000, at 12:48:07
> I haven't tried Zyprexa. Amisulpride can be very effective for social anxiety. It also can make you care about life again. But it usually doesn't provide 'get up and go' type of motivation, that is why it is normally combined with an arousal agent. Zyprexa, as I understand, can really make it hard to 'get up and go' because it is sedating. I have an info. piece on amisulpride. To get it email me at andrewb@seanet.com.
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> John is right. If amisulpride works for you, you may find adrafinil an effective arousal agent to combine with it.
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> AndrewB
When it works well for depression, Zyprexa can be without the slightest hint of sedation, and promote clear thinking and psychic energy. Actually, I don't think Zyprexa is generally sedating after the first week or two. Of course, there are always exceptions. Zyprexa can most definitely give you get-up-and-go if is effective.
- Scott
Posted by JohnL on October 18, 2000, at 3:44:43
In reply to Re: Adrafinil versus Provigil - to John L, posted by Anna P. on October 17, 2000, at 13:12:01
Anna,
As Andrew so accurately stated, Adrafinil can provide the arousel and get-up-and-go. Yet it is not at all like other psychostimulants. It's been loosely defined as being the first of a new class of meds called good-arousal meds. The way that it is different from other stimulants is that it does not provide instant results; it does not increase neurotransmitter levels; it does not stimulate the release of more neurotransmitters; it is not accompanied by the speedy feelings such as racing heart or decreased appetite; it is slow acting, taking days to weeks to take effect.If you look at molecular diagrams of Provigil and Adrafinil, they look identical at first glance. Very little difference. But the tiny difference between them makes a huge difference in how they work, and how well someone's chemistry either accepts them or rejects them. I think it's like that with all meds, and that may be a factor in why one med will work and be tolerable while a very similar one won't.
For anyone needing arousal, motivation, and renewed interest in life, Adrafinil in my experience is excellent. But it does take time. I notice it a tiny bit on day 1, a bit more by day 3, somewhat more by week 2, but it really kicks in about week 3 or so. Depression lifts, renewed vitality returns. Probably one of the USA's least known and yet most effective antidpressants/stimulants available in the world. Just my opinion. It differs from all other antidepressants in that it can even be helpful to someone who isn't depressed, like for example a college student or anyone requiring an extra boost of energy and mental cognition on the job or whatever.
Modafinil takes longer for delivery and you will find it is prohibitively expensive. Very very expensive. And in my experience, not nearly as good. I hated Provigil actually. Made me tired, easily exhausted, unmotivated. Just the opposite of what I needed. If you're interested in sampling, you might start with Adrafinil since it is so inexpensive. You could always compare Provigil later, but I like Adrafinil tons better.
John
Posted by Anna P. on October 18, 2000, at 15:22:26
In reply to Re: Adrafinil versus Provigil - Anna, posted by JohnL on October 18, 2000, at 3:44:43
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