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Posted by harry b. on January 3, 2003, at 13:53:02
Just a brief note re: my P-Doc.
I had not thought we had reached that elusive state of 'transference' that I had always heard about. On my last visit before setting out on my adventure, I cried as I left the office. It was like leaving a safe haven & I knew I'd have to take complete control, it was frightening. So, I do think tranference was reached, I just did not realize it. Comments?
My doc agreed to & did telephone sessions with me while I was gone. I thought that was great. There were a few times when those sessions were the only thing that saved me.
This was crossing the line a bit, I believe. When I needed to get repairs done & buy spare parts for the boat, I was totally broke. I had plenty of food, but I had no money for fuel or anything else. My P-Doc wired $$ to me. I have paid it back of course, but we both knew it was probably out of bounds to have done this. Comments?
harry b.
Posted by shar on January 5, 2003, at 0:44:56
In reply to P-Doc, posted by harry b. on January 3, 2003, at 13:53:02
Harry B:
I don't know about transference, but I do know that a good therapeutic relationship feels safe, and can be hard to leave, even when a return is on the horizon. I believe the deepest work happens when that type of relationship exists (it has, at least, for me).I also know that many things can happen in good therapeutic relationships that could be considered technically out of bounds, but happen because we are human beings, we are alive, and we get an extra measure of grace for some reason. IMHO those things aren't damaging, and are just fine, especially with a doc you've known for so long. I've experienced some similar things with my therapist, and they don't happen often, and I'm surprised when they do, and it does not affect our ability to work on what needs working on. That seems to be the most important consideration.
Shar
(Of course, I'm talking about lines being blurred in a helping direction, not in a hurtful or abusive direction, should anyone wonder.)
> Just a brief note re: my P-Doc.
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> I had not thought we had reached that elusive state of 'transference' that I had always heard about. On my last visit before setting out on my adventure, I cried as I left the office. It was like leaving a safe haven & I knew I'd have to take complete control, it was frightening. So, I do think tranference was reached, I just did not realize it. Comments?
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> My doc agreed to & did telephone sessions with me while I was gone. I thought that was great. There were a few times when those sessions were the only thing that saved me.
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> This was crossing the line a bit, I believe. When I needed to get repairs done & buy spare parts for the boat, I was totally broke. I had plenty of food, but I had no money for fuel or anything else. My P-Doc wired $$ to me. I have paid it back of course, but we both knew it was probably out of bounds to have done this. Comments?
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> harry b.
Posted by harry b. on January 5, 2003, at 1:17:31
In reply to Re: P-Doc, posted by shar on January 5, 2003, at 0:44:56
Hi Shar,
I think you are correct. Right now I owe my Pdoc $$ for treatment sessions, but that's a horse of a different color altogether. She knows I'll get my account up to date, it just may take awhile. Thankfully it has not become an issue.I have an appt Monday (yeah! cause I NEED it)and I'll be able to cover Monday's fee, but none of the past due amounts.
Sometimes it is a real juggling act; $$ for meds or $$ for therapy. $$ for meds wins every time, but I miss out on the therapy. Drug companies & insurance plans suck.
I was able to take out an AARP policy for approx $200/mo but it's a new year so I have to meet the deductibiles (AARP.....golly I'm gettin old:)
Take good care Shar-
hb
Posted by kath on January 12, 2003, at 12:50:38
In reply to Re: P-Doc, posted by shar on January 5, 2003, at 0:44:56
Harry B - I agree with Shar.
By the way - what IS transference?
:-) Kath
> Harry B:
> I don't know about transference, but I do know that a good therapeutic relationship feels safe, and can be hard to leave, even when a return is on the horizon. I believe the deepest work happens when that type of relationship exists (it has, at least, for me).
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> I also know that many things can happen in good therapeutic relationships that could be considered technically out of bounds, but happen because we are human beings, we are alive, and we get an extra measure of grace for some reason. IMHO those things aren't damaging, and are just fine, especially with a doc you've known for so long. I've experienced some similar things with my therapist, and they don't happen often, and I'm surprised when they do, and it does not affect our ability to work on what needs working on. That seems to be the most important consideration.
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> Shar
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> > Just a brief note re: my P-Doc.
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> > I had not thought we had reached that elusive state of 'transference' that I had always heard about. On my last visit before setting out on my adventure, I cried as I left the office. It was like leaving a safe haven & I knew I'd have to take complete control, it was frightening. So, I do think tranference was reached, I just did not realize it. Comments?
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> > My doc agreed to & did telephone sessions with me while I was gone. I thought that was great. There were a few times when those sessions were the only thing that saved me.
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> > This was crossing the line a bit, I believe. When I needed to get repairs done & buy spare parts for the boat, I was totally broke. I had plenty of food, but I had no money for fuel or anything else. My P-Doc wired $$ to me. I have paid it back of course, but we both knew it was probably out of bounds to have done this. Comments?
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Posted by ShelliR on January 14, 2003, at 18:54:10
In reply to Re: P-Doc » shar, posted by harry b. on January 5, 2003, at 1:17:31
Hi Harry,
Does the AARP policy you're signing up for include meds? Because if you don't have a lot of money almost every drug company will give you free drugs. You must know that, right?
Also, my pdoc gets tons of samples and so far on some meds he's keeping me afloat on those samples. I don't think the drug companies care because they get plenty when insurance covers. Anyway, they seem to keep him well supplied.
If you get the drugs for free, then you can see your therapist more.
Shelli
Posted by shar on January 14, 2003, at 23:26:49
In reply to Re: P-Doc » harry b., posted by ShelliR on January 14, 2003, at 18:54:10
For some reason I've always felt so attached to you, worried some, and when you stopped posting before, I missed you. I even sent out calls for you (once, Phil posted "Harry B to the mezzanine, please" after I put up a message wondering where and how you were--it was very humorous).
So, I know you might stop posting, but I hope you'll post occasionally so we'll know you're ok. I guess 'occasionally' means about every 8 months....my therapist sez asking for specific things and saying what you want (rather than what you don't want) is muy bien in relationships, and for actually getting what you want.
It could happen.
Anyhow, you should at least know you are remembered here whether you post or not.
Take good care--Shar
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