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Posted by annierose on July 26, 2005, at 21:03:11
In reply to Re: Deborah Lott this Thursday, posted by Dinah on July 24, 2005, at 18:12:59
Sorry Dinah that you will be on vacation. I felt badly that I was going to miss the on-line discussion due to this poorly placed business trip. But your input to the discussion is so important, it will be missed.
Enjoy your family vacation!
Annierose
Posted by Dinah on July 27, 2005, at 7:10:48
In reply to Re: Deborah Lott this Thursday, posted by annierose on July 26, 2005, at 21:03:11
Posted by Dinah on April 27, 2007, at 21:02:16
In reply to Good to see you back. :) (nm) » annierose, posted by Dinah on July 27, 2005, at 7:10:48
:(
I had forgotten all about this, but it really was fun.
Posted by DAisym on May 27, 2007, at 1:22:41
In reply to We only got to Chapter 7, and didn't do another bk, posted by Dinah on April 27, 2007, at 21:02:16
It was fun. Let's do another book. How about "A General Theory of Love"?
Or - other suggestions? We could do Yalom too.
Posted by Jammerlich on May 27, 2007, at 12:19:27
In reply to Re: We only got to Chapter 7, and didn't do another bk » Dinah, posted by DAisym on May 27, 2007, at 1:22:41
I'd be interested in that book. I've been *trying* to read it for several months now. Discussion would probably help me keep moving through it!
Posted by muffled on May 27, 2007, at 18:59:28
In reply to Re: We only got to Chapter 7, and didn't do another bk » DAisym, posted by Jammerlich on May 27, 2007, at 12:19:27
I was rteading thru this thread and wondering that alexs block was up and I was so happy bout that.
And then it said bout Lott comming and I thot, hmmm, she already been here!
MAN, how dense am I , I JUST figgered that its and old thread with new attachments, DUH.
There oughta be note at the top of such combined threads so densos like me don't get so thrown.
Its an interesting thread.
Mebbe if theres any interest someone should restart it at thebottom????
Dunno how thisa stuff works.
OH MAN!
M
Posted by Dinah on May 28, 2007, at 10:40:37
In reply to Re: We only got to Chapter 7, and didn't do another bk » Dinah, posted by DAisym on May 27, 2007, at 1:22:41
I'd like that. It's sitting on my nightstand, needing only encouragement to be read.
Posted by Dinah on May 28, 2007, at 10:41:57
In reply to ROFL!! I such a ditz!!!, posted by muffled on May 27, 2007, at 18:59:28
I must confess that I purposely continued it on this thread. I really enjoyed reading it again, and hoped others would as well. The joys of asynchronous communication. :)
Posted by Dinah on May 28, 2007, at 13:18:55
In reply to Theory of Love » DAisym, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2007, at 10:40:37
I don't know about you, but if I don't set dates, things get put aside for forever. (You should see our half painted walls).
Posted by Jammerlich on May 28, 2007, at 13:43:46
In reply to Shall we set a date?, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2007, at 13:18:55
Yes! Any time is fine with me. Just tell me when and how much I need to have read.
Posted by DAisym on May 28, 2007, at 15:08:23
In reply to Re: Shall we set a date? » Dinah, posted by Jammerlich on May 28, 2007, at 13:43:46
I read pretty fast and I will be rereading this so tell me if I'm unrealistic or pushing too fast.
Can we read the first chapter over the next week and start talking about it perhaps June 2nd or 3rd?
Let me know. :)
Posted by Jammerlich on May 28, 2007, at 15:39:28
In reply to Chapter One, posted by DAisym on May 28, 2007, at 15:08:23
Posted by Jammerlich on May 29, 2007, at 9:48:00
In reply to Works for me (nm) » DAisym, posted by Jammerlich on May 28, 2007, at 15:39:28
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to participate, so please don't plan things based on what might or might not work for me.
Posted by Dinah on June 6, 2007, at 8:38:27
In reply to Chapter One, posted by DAisym on May 28, 2007, at 15:08:23
I'll be ready to start Sunday 6/10 or Monday 6/11, I think.
Looking forward to it.
Posted by Honore on June 12, 2007, at 0:27:10
In reply to Re: Chapter One » DAisym, posted by Dinah on June 6, 2007, at 8:38:27
What are you reading?
Honore
Posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 0:36:16
In reply to Re: Chapter One, posted by Honore on June 12, 2007, at 0:27:10
I'll start posting on it in the next few days.
Posted by zenhussy on June 13, 2007, at 2:30:00
In reply to Re: Chapter One, posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 0:36:16
Posted by Honore on June 13, 2007, at 9:42:45
In reply to Re: Chapter One, posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 0:36:16
Great. Thanks.-- I just ordered it from Amazon.
It'll take a few days, but I'll catch up with you.
Honore
Posted by Dinah on June 13, 2007, at 9:46:45
In reply to Re: Chapter One, posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 0:36:16
I had put Sunday aside for rereading chapter one, then I got sick. I'll read it ASAP and hope to post soon.
Although I seem to remember having trouble understanding it.
Posted by Dinah on June 13, 2007, at 9:47:33
In reply to Re: Chapter One » DAisym, posted by Dinah on June 13, 2007, at 9:46:45
Which will incidentally make this even better for me since I can get it explained as I go along.
Posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 13:20:15
In reply to did u mention book in chat long while back? (nm) » DAisym, posted by zenhussy on June 13, 2007, at 2:30:00
I don't think this was the book I mentioned. I am trying to remember if we were talking about body memories at that time, if so, I'm guessing it was "The Body Remembers". There is another great book called "Healing Trauma" which is kind of a tough read but makes so much sense as far as how our brains now work. Annie Roger's has a new book, "The Unsayable" which I love and just finished. And the other book I think you'd like is "The Boy who was raised as a dog" -- Bruce Perry's new book. All of these are very triggering so be careful with yourself. If these don't look like what we were talking about, let me know.
Posted by zenhussy on June 13, 2007, at 18:29:26
In reply to Re: did u mention book in chat long while back? » zenhussy, posted by DAisym on June 13, 2007, at 13:20:15
Posted by DAisym on June 20, 2007, at 20:36:32
In reply to ty very much for all those titles! and for caution (nm) » DAisym, posted by zenhussy on June 13, 2007, at 18:29:26
What I like about this book is that it takes a subject like love and tries to figure out the scientific aspects of it. And this first chapter starts with that -- the history of feelings and amour and how long it has taken us to even conceptualize ways to understanding them. I think some anti-Freud sentiment leaks out, which is slightly amusing because he makes it sound like Freud was given free-reign and "everyone" bought into his ideas, lock, stock and barrel.
The major question of the first chapter, for me, is: "What will making a study out of love and emotions tell us? What will we learn that is useful?" As we go through the chapters, I want to keep this question in mind, to see if we get the same, if any, answers.
Posted by Dinah on June 21, 2007, at 23:47:40
In reply to Chapter One, posted by DAisym on June 20, 2007, at 20:36:32
I'm having trouble digesting this book. Admittedly, I'm not at my most brilliant right now. I'll give it another shot now that I've read what you said - and I'll admit that I was waiting for someone else to talk first so I could read it with their comments in mind. :)
Posted by Honore on June 22, 2007, at 9:13:07
In reply to Re: Chapter One » DAisym, posted by Dinah on June 21, 2007, at 23:47:40
So far as I can tell, Chapter one is pretty introductory-- giving a very short historical summary of approaches to the mind-- and therefore to love, as a mental process.
It's definitely anti-Freudian-- but then, to seem even-handed, they want to say something negative about "factual" approaches to the brain-- so they say they tend to be "alienating," cold and reductionistic.
They offer an alternative: ie if something proves useful in helping people, then it's worth subscribing to. They therefore oppose pragmatism to both pure science or pure speculation.
They plan to search through the sea of inchoate data surrendered so far by neuroscience, and to sift it according to its usefulness to patients (ie real people, in their practices, I presume). If they find insights or even theories to guide practice, then this would be the substance of the book.
I get this feeling of "on the one hand"... "on the other hand"-ishness about Chapter one-- they feel swamped by the plethora of disjointed and somehow trivial scientific facts, in a body of science which hasn't evolved very far. But they dislike absurd, speculative systsems that aren't fact-based (like Freud). They don't want to go too far in any direction, so as to avoid the Scylla of fantasy but also the Charybdis of cold, distanced science.
I do think unless they show that their pragmatic version of science-- and how therapy works, as explained from a scientific point of view-- isn't buttressed by sophisticated analysis taken from the latest (more or less) neuroscience, I'd be pretty disappointed. But, I'm expecting a very touch-feely version of science-- a "story of science" that veers away from being too scientific-- because they associate that with reductionism, treating "spiritual" problems with Prozac, etc.
But I hope it surprises me with lots of interesting information.
Honore
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